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Poll Question: Favorite/greatest?
Poll Choice Votes Poll Statistics
6 [11.76%]
1 [1.96%]
2 [3.92%]
4 [7.84%]
6 [11.76%]
2 [3.92%]
3 [5.88%]
4 [7.84%]
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1 [1.96%]
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^ Oh Yeah!!

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Here's some Di Meola with Mr. Hammer, Anthony Jackson, Steve Gadd, and others. Wink

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So many great choices, some obvious, others not so much so. First vote for Weather Report.
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Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

Here's some Di Meola with Mr. Hammer, Anthony Jackson, Steve Gadd, and others. Wink

Thumbs Up I was going to post that, but I love that performance of "Star Cycle" and went for it. 
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Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Three pages in and, no surprise, no mention of these stupendous albums nor Jan Hammer, one of fusion's greatest musicians.


I own that one myself. it's very nice. Obviously he's great, but there was so much overlooked brilliance out there its not even funny. At least Jan Hammer is represented by being a member of Mahavishnu Orchestra (+ playing on all the "classics" by Al De Meola). That's more than any of my favorite swedish jazzrock fusion guys.
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About Area by the way, it has been mostly considered as Jazz-Rock until some years ago.
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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:


About Area by the way, it has been mostly considered as Jazz-Rock until some years ago.
That didn't change just because they've been lumped into RPI here, simply because they're an italian band. I focused more on the "purely" jazzrock-fusion in the poll. Area is of course jazzrock to an extent, much like Magma, Henry Cow and even early Art Zoyd are. I would personally placed them in Avant/RIO.
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Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

About Area by the way, it has been mostly considered as Jazz-Rock until some years ago.
That didn't change just because they've been lumped into RPI here, simply because they're an italian band. I focused more on the "purely" jazzrock-fusion in the poll. Area is of course jazzrock to an extent, much like Magma, Henry Cow and even early Art Zoyd are. I would personally placed them in Avant/RIO.

Right, my remark is just "historical", and an explanation for how they have becomed a part of my list. Smile

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Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

I own that one myself. it's very nice. Obviously he's great, but there was so much overlooked brilliance out there its not even funny. At least Jan Hammer is represented by being a member of Mahavishnu Orchestra (+ playing on all the "classics" by Al De Meola). That's more than any of my favorite swedish jazzrock fusion guys.

There certainly is, and some of it's in Jan's solo discography, like those two awesome records he made with David Earle Johnson.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote BaldJean Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 23 2022 at 17:01
Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

oh, and I'd definitely throw Aera (not Area), Pork Pie, Volker Kriegel, Et Cetera, the Release Music Orchestra, Paraphernalia and the United Jazz & Rock Orchestra into the mix
Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

how exactly do you define "golden age"? where does it begin and where does it end?


probably 1967-1979 

then the bands I listed all fall into that range, at least with their first releases
Yes, they all do. I do know and like Aera, Et Cetera + Volker Kriegel's contributions pretty much everywhere I've heard him. Perhaps moreso than on his own solo albums. I do love Inside: Missing Link, and all his albums ca. 1968-1975 are well worth checking out. But as a solo artist he is relatively obscure. A poll like this has an element of a "popularity contest" I'm afraid, as I was trying to include most of the profilic/popular acts.

Volker Kriegel is definitely not obscure in Germany. and what very few people know: he was also a cartoonist. we have a very original book with cartoons of him. it looks like the sketchbook of an artist who is a heavy smoker; it has holes from "cigarette burns". but these are not real cigarette burns; they are just painted on. the holes are real though. a highly original idea
Yep, but completely unkown in (most of) the rest of the world. Which is where I happen to live. Its often like that isn't it? His two most rated albums here on PA has 11 and 12 ratings. In the Jazz Rock/Fusion overlooked and obscure gems albums-section you'll find Dedalus - St - which has 127 ratings. Some jazzrock-interested folks may know about Passport and Embryo - a few more know Eberhard Weber because he was on ECM, and I think that's about it. Some of the Krautrock bands are quite huge though. And hip. Can in particular.

I actually consider Joe Farrell or Pekka Pohjola to be much more obscure than Volker Kriegel


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I ended up voting Soft Machine for that three album run Seven, Softs and Bundles plus the live Floating, NDR Workshop and Switzerland 1974. 
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Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:


I actually consider Joe Farrell or Pekka Pohjola to be much more obscure than Volker Kriegel
You do as you please and I’m sure it appears that way for you as a German. But all Pekka Pohjolas 1970's albums sparks a lot more interest than Volker Kriegels solo outings of the same era - here and on RYM.  Pekkas "classic" albums has usually been rereleased 8-10 times, while Kriegel usually two, maybe three. His 1970's soloalbums are simply more known and talked about outside of his own country. I got to know about him by word of mouth through friends, while Kriegel is someone I found because of the internet.




-I actually took for granted Joe Farrell was in PA without checking first. Turns out he isn't (but he should be). Just like you and Kriegel - as a fan, I thought his solo career was more known and profilic than it probably is. I too have my blind spots and darlings. In the grand scheme of things they are all obscure.
 
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Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:


I actually consider Joe Farrell or Pekka Pohjola to be much more obscure than Volker Kriegel
You do as you please and I’m sure it appears that way for you as a German. But all Pekka Pohjolas 1970's albums sparks a lot more interest than Volker Kriegels solo outings of the same era - here and on RYM.  Pekkas "classic" albums has usually been rereleased 8-10 times, while Kriegel usually two, maybe three. His 1970's soloalbums are simply more known and talked about outside of his own country. I got to know about him by word of mouth through friends, while Kriegel is someone I found because of the internet.




-I actually took for granted Joe Farrell was in PA without checking first. Turns out he isn't (but he should be). Just like you and Kriegel - as a fan, I thought his solo career was more known and profilic than it probably is. I too have my blind spots and darlings. In the grand scheme of things they are all obscure.
 

I am originally from the USA and came to Germany in 1993. but the name Volker Kriegel was already familiar to me then. of Pekka Pohjola I first heard when I joined ProgArchives in 2005


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^Yes maybe that was how things were in 1993. Everything changed after internet. The world got smaller and music scenes in overlooked nations like Finland suddenly got a potential worldwide audience.
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Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

^Yes maybe that was how things were in 1993. Everything changed after internet. The world got smaller and music scenes in overlooked nations like Finland suddenly got a potential worldwide audience.

a friend of my parents was in the Army and served in Kaiserslautern in the early 70s (there was an US military base there). he sent my parents lots of albums of German artists, especially Krautrock, Jazz and Jazz-Rock. so there were several Volker Kriegel albums in the record collection of my parents


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^ That's an awesome friend your parents had. Maybe he would have sent a couple of Pekka Pohjola-albums if he served in Helsinki.
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