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Poll Question: Favorite/greatest?
Poll Choice Votes Poll Statistics
6 [11.76%]
1 [1.96%]
2 [3.92%]
4 [7.84%]
6 [11.76%]
2 [3.92%]
3 [5.88%]
4 [7.84%]
3 [5.88%]
1 [1.96%]
1 [1.96%]
1 [1.96%]
4 [7.84%]
0 [0.00%]
2 [3.92%]
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2 [3.92%]
2 [3.92%]
0 [0.00%]
1 [1.96%]
0 [0.00%]
0 [0.00%]
1 [1.96%]
2 [3.92%]
3 [5.88%]
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My votes go to:

Tasavallen Presidentti
Wigwam

and the solo careers of:

Jukka Gustavson
Jukka Hauru
Pekka Pohjola
Jukka Tolonen

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Originally posted by presdoug presdoug wrote:

Giger Lenz Marron, a trio formed in December of 1976 by former Dzyan members Peter Giger on drums, and Eddy Marron on guitars, zaz, uniting with German jazz bassist Guenter Lenz.
        They made two stellar, but obscure albums in the 1970s on Giger's label Nagara. They are both really well done.

Yes both of their albums are wonderful. I discovered them thanks to you mentioning them a few years a ago.
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Originally posted by nick_h_nz nick_h_nz wrote:

My votes go to:

Tasavallen Presidentti
Wigwam

and the solo careers of:

Jukka Gustavson
Jukka Hauru
Pekka Pohjola
Jukka Tolonen

So that means a vote for Pekka in the poll? I had originally Jukka included too (whom I'm a bigger fan of), but he had to go because I needed space for Embryo, I think.
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Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Originally posted by nick_h_nz nick_h_nz wrote:

My votes go to:

Tasavallen Presidentti
Wigwam

and the solo careers of:

Jukka Gustavson
Jukka Hauru
Pekka Pohjola
Jukka Tolonen

So that means a vote for Pekka in the poll? I had originally Jukka included too (whom I'm a bigger fan of), but he had to go because I needed space for Embryo, I think.

No, I voted for Other, because I am a contrarian! 😜

Which Jukka did you have included? 🤔

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^Other always gets plenty of votes so how can that be contrarian? (Jukka Tolonen)
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Well it is somewhat contrary, since I could have voted for Pekka, since he was in the poll. 😜

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Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

oh, and I'd definitely throw Aera (not Area), Pork Pie, Volker Kriegel, Et Cetera, the Release Music Orchestra, Paraphernalia and the United Jazz & Rock Orchestra into the mix
Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

how exactly do you define "golden age"? where does it begin and where does it end?


probably 1967-1979 

then the bands I listed all fall into that range, at least with their first releases
Yes, they all do. I do know and like Aera, Et Cetera + Volker Kriegel's contributions pretty much everywhere I've heard him. Perhaps moreso than on his own solo albums. I do love Inside: Missing Link, and all his albums ca. 1968-1975 are well worth checking out. But as a solo artist he is relatively obscure. A poll like this has an element of a "popularity contest" I'm afraid, as I was trying to include most of the profilic/popular acts.

Volker Kriegel is definitely not obscure in Germany. and what very few people know: he was also a cartoonist. we have a very original book with cartoons of him. it looks like the sketchbook of an artist who is a heavy smoker; it has holes from "cigarette burns". but these are not real cigarette burns; they are just painted on. the holes are real though. a highly original idea


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Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

oh, and I'd definitely throw Aera (not Area), Pork Pie, Volker Kriegel, Et Cetera, the Release Music Orchestra, Paraphernalia and the United Jazz & Rock Orchestra into the mix
Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

how exactly do you define "golden age"? where does it begin and where does it end?


probably 1967-1979 

then the bands I listed all fall into that range, at least with their first releases
Yes, they all do. I do know and like Aera, Et Cetera + Volker Kriegel's contributions pretty much everywhere I've heard him. Perhaps moreso than on his own solo albums. I do love Inside: Missing Link, and all his albums ca. 1968-1975 are well worth checking out. But as a solo artist he is relatively obscure. A poll like this has an element of a "popularity contest" I'm afraid, as I was trying to include most of the profilic/popular acts.

Volker Kriegel is definitely not obscure in Germany. and what very few people know: he was also a cartoonist. we have a very original book with cartoons of him. it looks like the sketchbook of an artist who is a heavy smoker; it has holes from "cigarette burns". but these are not real cigarette burns; they are just painted on. the holes are real though. a highly original idea
Yep, but completely unkown in (most of) the rest of the world. Which is where I happen to live. Its often like that isn't it? His two most rated albums here on PA has 11 and 12 ratings. In the Jazz Rock/Fusion overlooked and obscure gems albums-section you'll find Dedalus - St - which has 127 ratings. Some jazzrock-interested folks may know about Passport and Embryo - a few more know Eberhard Weber because he was on ECM, and I think that's about it. Some of the Krautrock bands are quite huge though. And hip. Can in particular.


Edited by Saperlipopette! - April 20 2022 at 08:40
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Oye Como Va. It's no surprise who I voted for Amigos. Smile
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IF (seriously MIA from the list)
The Eleventh House (Larry Coryell)
Lenny White
Chick Corea Elektric Band
George Duke
Brecker Brothers
Billy Cobham
Blood, Sweat & Tears
Weather Report
The Zawinul Syndicate
Dreams
David Sancious & Tone
Hiromi
CAB
Ten Wheel Drive


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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Oye Como Va. It's no surprise who I voted for Amigos. Smile

Now you say it, I remember your first suggestion for "my" Jazz-Rock thread. LOL
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I don't get why Di Meola, described as playing too fast and is cold. Yet John McLaughlin, who plays faster, more notes, and sloppier than Al, is leading this poll.

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Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

I don't get why Di Meola, described as playing too fast and is cold. Yet John McLaughlin, who plays faster, more notes, and sloppier than Al, is leading this poll.

In a response to a Di Meola-comment like that at least I wrote
Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

I often have similar problems with John McLaughlin actually.
not a fan of any of them.
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 Lots of good stuff to choose from here. Return to Forever, Mahavishnu , Brand X, Bruford, Zappa, WEather Report, Jean Luc Ponty... All great but I gave my vote to Al Di Meola.  ( Fellow Bergenfield NJ Resident !) 


 
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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Oye Como Va. It's no surprise who I voted for Amigos. Smile

Now you say it, I remember your first suggestion for "my" Jazz-Rock thread. LOL
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Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

I thought I was going to go with electric Miles, and I love Herbie Hancock's Mwandishi trilogy (love the "Mwandishi players" albums generally), as well as Placebo, Perigeo, Soft Machine (especially Third), early Weather Report (first two albums), Terje Rypdal, Zao, Nucleus and more, but I am going with Embryo for producing what I think is a long string of mostly excellent and relevant to this topic albums.
Glad to see Embryo getting a vote. A typical "I would have voted for them if it wasn't for (insert something like Can or Miles...)" for me.


I quite often do like to favour underdogs in polls, but I do love Embryo as well as many others in the list (especially the ones I mentioned not surprisingly). I will say that from the list getting to know Miles Davis and Harbie Hancock were more transformative on me -- they both had a big effect on my musical interests, whereas there is lot of sort of jazzy Krautrock that I have been into (and jazzy Canterbury Scene too), but Embryo is still a special band to me (. Since you mentioned Can, that was another band that had a big effect on me and it has a had a large impact on much of the modern music I listen to (a hip band with the cool kids, unlike...).

The other night when dealing with my usual insomnia, I wrote a list of 50 "cool" albums for an extended cool party, and Can was in there as well as Miles Davis, Serge Gainsbourg, Stereolab, Portishead, Morricone, and many others....

I had thought about additionally mentioning some others for this topic, but I understood how you were approaching this topic and that this was not just about your tastes (clear from the OP and because I have a feel for your tastes as my tastes have been very influenced by yours). I like your approach (as you have alluded to before) of not voting other if you find ones to like in a list, and in this case, all of those I mentioned likely would make my personal general JRF list. If doing an album list, quite a few would have been recommendations from you. Over the last few days I have played jazzy Janko Nilovic (Rythmes contemporains), Mandingo (The Primeval Rhythm of Life and III) and Herbie Mann's Stone Flute -- all of which I see as JRF related at least and I am hardly saying should be included in this list even if they could fit reasonably well. It does surprise me often (thinking generally, rather than particularly with comments in this poll and I am not singling anyone out) how much people seem to expect things should have been listed in polls that could have no more than 25 options and are more focused on talking about what is "missing" or not on the list than what is on the list. I often don't even bother with the other option now and instead ask people to vote for and mention something in the poll and only after that mention any others (and if they expect it "should" have ben included, then a sound argument should be included to support the conclusion (and often say why they think others should not have been considered as there is only so much space).

Edited by Logan - April 20 2022 at 10:52
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Three pages in and, no surprise, no mention of these stupendous albums nor Jan Hammer, one of fusion's greatest musicians.


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^ It's Hammer Time!

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Cristi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 20 2022 at 13:12
Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

^ It's Hammer Time!


are you sure that is classic JRF? ConfusedLOL
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