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Poll Question: Favorite/greatest?
Poll Choice Votes Poll Statistics
6 [11.76%]
1 [1.96%]
2 [3.92%]
4 [7.84%]
6 [11.76%]
2 [3.92%]
3 [5.88%]
4 [7.84%]
3 [5.88%]
1 [1.96%]
1 [1.96%]
1 [1.96%]
4 [7.84%]
0 [0.00%]
2 [3.92%]
0 [0.00%]
2 [3.92%]
2 [3.92%]
0 [0.00%]
1 [1.96%]
0 [0.00%]
0 [0.00%]
1 [1.96%]
2 [3.92%]
3 [5.88%]
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Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Love Area too, but they're like a genre of their own (if they were from the UK, Belgium or France I suspect they would have been in Avant/RIO)

I guess, you're right in that, and maybe should Avant/RIO simply be their most right label.
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Regarding the question of the most prolific jazz-rockers, a good answer could be provided by looking at RYM's chart. 







Edited by David_D - April 20 2022 at 03:35
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Logan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 19 2022 at 15:35
I thought I was going to go with electric Miles, and I love Herbie Hancock's Mwandishi trilogy (love the "Mwandishi players" albums generally), as well as Placebo, Perigeo, Soft Machine (especially Third), early Weather Report (first two albums), Terje Rypdal, Zao, Nucleus and more, but I am going with Embryo for producing what I think is a long string of mostly excellent and relevant to this topic albums.

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how exactly do you define "golden age"? where does it begin and where does it end?

I must admit I don't like Al Di Meola at all. yes, his technical prowess is no doubt excellent, and he can play as fast as hell - but he apparently can't play slowly for a change. or actually at any other pace than extremely fast.

fans of him will probably disagree with me and give some example of him playing slowly. maybe there are indeed some examples of this, but there certainly aren't many. I at least haven't heard one yet.

I personally find this "hey, listen how fast I can play" attitude of him extremely boring


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote BaldJean Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 19 2022 at 16:25
oh, and I'd definitely throw Aera (not Area), Pork Pie, Volker Kriegel, Et Cetera, the Release Music Orchestra, Paraphernalia and the United Jazz & Rock Orchestra into the mix


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote BrufordFreak Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 19 2022 at 16:42
Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

how exactly do you define "golden age"? where does it begin and where does it end?

I must admit I don't like Al Di Meola at all. yes, his technical prowess is no doubt excellent, and he can play as fast as hell - but he apparently can't play slowly for a change. or actually at any other pace than extremely fast.

fans of him will probably disagree with me and give some example of him playing slowly. maybe there are indeed some examples of this, but there certainly aren't many. I at least haven't heard one yet.

I personally find this "hey, listen how fast I can play" attitude of him extremely boring

Agreed. I used to be so impressed by him--16 year old flying around the fretboard like that--but he's kind of like John Petrucci to me: I hear your skill, but where's the heart? Where's the emotion? After years of trying to keep giving Al a chance to "grow", "mature", and show us a tender, "beautiful" side, I finally gave up on him. He teased me a lot on Splendido Hotel, Casino, and especially Scenario (two beautiful songs with Phil Collins and Bruford-Levin, respectively) but he never made it for me. I've never had the heart or desire to try any of his albums from the 90s, 00s, or 10s--don't want my time wasted anymore....

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Cristi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 19 2022 at 16:49
Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

how exactly do you define "golden age"? where does it begin and where does it end?


probably 1967-1979 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Intruder Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 19 2022 at 16:56
Yes to the lot.....and we could add a hundred more.  I'd nominate the Grateful Dead circa '72-74.....or the Jerry Garcia-Howard Wales collaboration Hooteroll.....or Legion of Mary.....or even Jazz is Dead.  

   


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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

how exactly do you define "golden age"? where does it begin and where does it end?


probably 1967-1979 

then the bands I listed all fall into that range, at least with their first releases


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some bands that are listed under "Canterbury" are definitely candidates for the list too, like Soft Heap/Soft Head or Gilgamesh, for example


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Tough to choose between Miles Davis, Soft Machine, Nucleus and Mahavishnu Orchestra. All have multiple albums that are favs of mine unlike most on the list where there might be one or two. 
I really should try to come up with a top 10 instead of having like a top 75 favourite Jazz and related list.ConfusedLove Embryo as well.
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like a lot of these--as jazz fusion and jazz --latin jazz is what I like---besides symphonic prog--
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Saperlipopette! Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 19 2022 at 21:12
Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

how exactly do you define "golden age"? where does it begin and where does it end?
Do you really expect an "exact" definition? I figured most would here just sort of would understand what I meant. Similar to the timeline of progressive rock something started happening in the late 1960's several places simultaniously. Artists started fusing musical genres or rather all their influences together and created something new and previously unheard. We all know this. An openminded, recordbuying and concertattending audience helped creating this golden era - which ended sometime in the mid to late 1970's. Neither prog or jazzfusion was dead of course. Artistic expressions never really die. But "the world" certainly wasn't paying attention anymore. Not like before. We all know this too. Very few - if any of the jazzfusion albums released in the 1980's, can be considered essential or reference albums/works for younger artists today. However great they may be, they are historically of less importance.
Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

I must admit I don't like Al Di Meola at all. yes, his technical prowess is no doubt excellent, and he can play as fast as hell - but he apparently can't play slowly for a change. or actually at any other pace than extremely fast.

fans of him will probably disagree with me and give some example of him playing slowly. maybe there are indeed some examples of this, but there certainly aren't many. I at least haven't heard one yet.

I personally find this "hey, listen how fast I can play" attitude of him extremely boring
Yes I personally agree, but included Al Di Meola because so many like his stuff. Although I like a lot of albums he has contributed to I often have similar problems with John McLaughlin actually.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Saperlipopette! Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 19 2022 at 21:31
Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:


Regarding the question of the most prolific jazz-rockers, a good answer could be provide by looking at RYM's chart. 
Yes, so I did. I'll admit that I don't know Modrư Efekt at all, and they do seem to have a quite profilic career with a string of treasures "classics" for their fans.
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Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

some bands that are listed under "Canterbury" are definitely candidates for the list too, like Soft Heap/Soft Head or Gilgamesh, for example
Absolutely. Those two weren't the among the most profilic acts of the "golden era", but very worthy. I could lterally think of hundreds of candiates. Well, not for Canterbury alone of course, but amongst tons of jazz-artists coming out of the 1960's that went fusion in the 1970's, Library Music and soundtrack composers, in Indo/Raga, in Krautrock, in Zeuhl, in RIO/Avant...  
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Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

oh, and I'd definitely throw Aera (not Area), Pork Pie, Volker Kriegel, Et Cetera, the Release Music Orchestra, Paraphernalia and the United Jazz & Rock Orchestra into the mix
Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

how exactly do you define "golden age"? where does it begin and where does it end?


probably 1967-1979 

then the bands I listed all fall into that range, at least with their first releases
Yes, they all do. I do know and like Aera, Et Cetera + Volker Kriegel's contributions pretty much everywhere I've heard him. Perhaps moreso than on his own solo albums. I do love Inside: Missing Link, and all his albums ca. 1968-1975 are well worth checking out. But as a solo artist he is relatively obscure. A poll like this has an element of a "popularity contest" I'm afraid, as I was trying to include most of the profilic/popular acts.
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Originally posted by Cosmiclawnmower Cosmiclawnmower wrote:

I Really like lots of the artists listed but am going to go for two of the most obvious and well known because they are who i tend to turn to if i'm in that mood: Pat Metheny and Weather Report.

I also really rate this Swedish fusion outfit, have a couple of their lps
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Great band! I love a lot of swedish jazzfusion and finnish. Maybe I'll try and make a nordic one. Which allows me to include all those often overlooked, wondrous gems of bands such as Kornet. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Saperlipopette! Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 19 2022 at 22:28
Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Got a favorite here - or another favorite not here - or no favorite anywhere? Did I forget something or someone essential? Should I have left out bnads placed elsewhere on PA? Let me know. Write something.
Because you're asking. The Dregs / Dixie Dregs seem to always be forgotten in these fusion polls. They are essential in my world.
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Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

I thought I was going to go with electric Miles, and I love Herbie Hancock's Mwandishi trilogy (love the "Mwandishi players" albums generally), as well as Placebo, Perigeo, Soft Machine (especially Third), early Weather Report (first two albums), Terje Rypdal, Zao, Nucleus and more, but I am going with Embryo for producing what I think is a long string of mostly excellent and relevant to this topic albums.
Glad to see Embryo getting a vote. A typical "I would have voted for them if it wasn't for (insert something like Can or Miles...)" for me.
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Giger Lenz Marron, a trio formed in December of 1976 by former Dzyan members Peter Giger on drums, and Eddy Marron on guitars, zaz, uniting with German jazz bassist Guenter Lenz.
        They made two stellar, but obscure albums in the 1970s on Giger's label Nagara. They are both really well done.
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