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Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

OK, I feel like the bad guy here with everyone aligning against me Clown
I accept other people's informed advised opinion and will say yes for PF without any further adue.Wink


no need to undertake a RIO investigation. Smile


Sorry if you felt my post was a personal attack. It wasn’t meant that way. It’s the nature of PA, that over time, different teams will comprise different people, who have different ideas of where the boundaries for their genre lie. This is compounded by the way genres evolve over time. I think this is something Pedro is especially attuned to, because it is really very difficult to view anything in comparison to anything else at a different point in time. Everything needs to be looked at contemporaneously, and for what it is/was at the time it is/was - rather than against some somewhat arbitrary historic example.

What is fairly universally considered prog folk in the UK these days does not particularly match what is considered prog folk on PA. That’s not the fault of any of the team, necessarily, if they are not geographically aligned with this particular branch of neo-folk.

It’s not just prog folk either. There are several UK prog bands that have not been considered prog enough for PA, despite being pretty much universally considered prog within the UK, regularly appearing in the pages of Prog magazine, and in the line-ups of UK prog festivals.

The same can be said for what is considered prog in Aotearoa, and probably most countries of the world. Prog has differing boundaries and definitions depending on which country it is talked about. PA will always have a tough job, because it is trying to take a global view, that will not always match localised ones.
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Originally posted by nick_h_nz nick_h_nz wrote:

Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

OK, I feel like the bad guy here with everyone aligning against me Clown
I accept other people's informed advised opinion and will say yes for PF without any further adue.Wink


no need to undertake a RIO investigation. Smile


Sorry if you felt my post was a personal attack. It wasn’t meant that way.


not at all taken as such - see my emoticons-smileys StarWink


Originally posted by nick_h_nz nick_h_nz wrote:

It’s the nature of PA, that over time, different teams will comprise different people, who have different ideas of where the boundaries for their genre lie. This is compounded by the way genres evolve over time. I think this is something Pedro is especially attuned to, because it is really very difficult to view anything in comparison to anything else at a different point in time. Everything needs to be looked at contemporaneously, and for what it is/was at the time it is/was - rather than against some somewhat arbitrary historic example.

What is fairly universally considered prog folk in the UK these days does not particularly match what is considered prog folk on PA. That’s not the fault of any of the team, necessarily, if they are not geographically aligned with this particular branch of neo-folk.


Yeah, I guess PA has rewritten the history - just like the whole medium has... and since unconventional artistes don't want to be piegonholed and blurring the genre lines (not even intentionally so), it becomes increasingly difficult to work with our outdated and strict system.Wink
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yes it's been a challenge to accept the idea that bands without much lineage to "conventional" prog folk should be considered.  That's why, especially with the loss of Bob (clemofnazareth) from our team a few years ago, we have been thinking it would be good to find a 3rd person for prog folk, ideally someone younger with these new ways of looking at the music.

But in the meantime, I'll add the group to prog folk some time today Big smile


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Originally posted by kenethlevine kenethlevine wrote:

yes it's been a challenge to accept the idea that bands without much lineage to "conventional" prog folk should be considered.  That's why, especially with the loss of Bob (clemofnazareth) from our team a few years ago, we have been thinking it would be good to find a 3rd person for prog folk, ideally someone younger with these new ways of looking at the music.

But in the meantime, I'll add the group to prog folk some time today Big smile

Great to hear, Ken. And I'm glad so many people have enjoyed this group. As much as I wish the Nature and Organisation debate hadn't been so convoluted, I'm just happy they're here and represented on PA, even if I agree PF was the most logical and better fit. I certainly don't blame the mods for planning to toss RAIJ around as they're definitely not clear cut and I knew that while positing the suggestion.

And I turned 35 a month ago; to quote a progressive (but not prog) folkie, "If you want me, honey baby I'll be here." Wink
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added!

Gordy, Hugues and I have discussed the possibility of approaching you to join the group as a collaborator.  Certainly your neo folk knowledge has been very helpful.  I've long thought that many neo folk groups qualify as prog but I lacked a lot of exposure beyong some of the big names and a few like Ostara that we briefly considered.  Your references in the well written bios suggest a wider knowledge of prog and prog folk but just checking that you are generally open to classic prog folk which, believe it or not, we still add on occasion, as well as modern prog and folk outside of the wyrd and neo scenes.   I'll let Hugues chime in as well
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Originally posted by kenethlevine kenethlevine wrote:

added!

Gordy, Hugues and I have discussed the possibility of approaching you to join the group as a collaborator.  Certainly your neo folk knowledge has been very helpful.  I've long thought that many neo folk groups qualify as prog but I lacked a lot of exposure beyong some of the big names and a few like Ostara that we briefly considered.  Your references in the well written bios suggest a wider knowledge of prog and prog folk but just checking that you are generally open to classic prog folk which, believe it or not, we still add on occasion, as well as modern prog and folk outside of the wyrd and neo scenes.   I'll let Hugues chime in as well

Thanks for the kind words and the addition. It would be an honour and privilege if you decide to take me on. I've become quite the folk lover over the past fifteen years, appreciating the likes of both Fairport Convention and the Pentangle and more modern groups like the Angels of Light and Larkin Grimm (but I could never get into Jethro Tull, funny enough!). 

I actually only started listening to neofolk fairly recently due to my personal reticence regarding Death in June's long reactionary shadow that hangs over the genre (now it's my primary guilty pleasure - move over, Coldplay! - and I remain a devoted Trotskyist). I'd love to have a deeper discussion over PM about your take on neofolk and which bands you think fit the prog/acid/psych folk categories as there's a lot I could learn from you.


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that's great Gordy.  I'm glad you'd be up for it.  Yes I'll PM you to discuss prog folk more for sure.  
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Originally posted by kenethlevine kenethlevine wrote:

yes it's been a challenge to accept the idea that bands without much lineage to "conventional" prog folk should be considered.  That's why, especially with the loss of Bob (clemofnazareth) from our team a few years ago, we have been thinking it would be good to find a 3rd person for prog folk, ideally someone younger with these new ways of looking at the music.


Yup, after some 18 years on board (16 as a PF member - though I'm more of a JR/F dude) , some fresh cannon flesh will be welcome LOL.

Originally posted by kenethlevine kenethlevine wrote:

Gordy, Hugues and I have discussed the possibility of approaching you to join the group as a collaborator.  Certainly your neo folk knowledge has been very helpful.  I've long thought that many neo folk groups qualify as prog but I lacked a lot of exposure beyong some of the big names and a few like Ostara that we briefly considered.  Your references in the well written bios suggest a wider knowledge of prog and prog folk but just checking that you are generally open to classic prog folk which, believe it or not, we still add on occasion, as well as modern prog and folk outside of the wyrd and neo scenes.   I'll let Hugues chime in as well


TBH, I did take enjoyment in discovering much of these neo-folk (or Wyrd - for "weird" - Folk scene acts) , but not all of them were fit to be here. Devendra, Newsom, Jos Foster & the likes were quite a challenge to assess.

But then again, despite being +/- aware of stuff like Current 93 or Nurses With Wounds and all of that current (what I call "darkwave"),  I was never able get into "that stuff"
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It sounds to me like this is a go for adding Gordy as the long awaited 3rd member!  Welcome!  Hugues, do you know if there is a formal process?  Whom do I approach to have Gordy added as a collaborator?
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^ Normally a PM to an admin, but I have been keeping my eye on this thread and have brought it up with Admin. I wholeheartedly support the promotion to Collab. I've thought that Gordy would be a great addition for quite some time.
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Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

^ Normally a PM to an admin, but I have been keeping my eye on this thread and have brought it up with Admin. I wholeheartedly support the promotion to Collab. I've thought that Gordy would be a great addition for quite some time.

Agreed, I've been watching from the sidelines quietly rooting for Gordy.
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Welcome aboard, Gordy !Hug





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Edited by Sean Trane - April 21 2022 at 04:36
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@Ken, Hugues, Greg & Ian:

Y'all are so kind and sweet - seriously, I'm supremely touched! Thank you for making me part of a project that has enriched my life and expanded my musical horizons in such a formative way over the years. I look forward to working with you. Heart


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Love the band's music. Hate the band's name. Glad to see Ken and Hugues get some help in the neo prog world. Congratulations to Gordy!
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