Revolutionary Army of the Infant Jesus - Prog Folk
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Topic: Revolutionary Army of the Infant Jesus - Prog Folk
Posted By: Gordy
Subject: Revolutionary Army of the Infant Jesus - Prog Folk
Date Posted: February 17 2022 at 20:15
The Revolutionary Army of the Infant Jesus are a psychedelic neofolk collective from Liverpool, England, formed in 1985. Named after a terrorist group from Spanish director Luis Buñuel's 1977 film, That Obscure Object of Desire, the band were founded by Jon Egan (vocals/guitar/harmonium), David Seddon (keyboards/tenor saxophone), Paul Boyce (vocals/keyboard/clarinet), Sue Boyce (vocals/flute) and Leslie Hampson (vocals/percussion/guitar).
A more aesthetically tenebrous proposition than the Trees Community before them, the Revolutionary Army's Christian mysticism informs their ethereal, genre-blurring sacred music, mixing kraut-folk, tribal ambient, darkwave and neoclassical approaches. Their album imagery and lyrics are inspired by Eastern Orthodox, Roman Catholic and Anglican traditions and sung in English, French, Latin, Greek and Russian. The collective's music is also littered with field recordings and samples taken from Spanish poets, records of eastern European propaganda broadcasts and excerpts from European surrealist films by Jean Cocteau and Andrei Tarkovsky. The Revolutionary Army have received a variety of comparisons to the mystical folk of Dead Can Dance, Woven Hand and Current 93 to composers Henryk Górecki, Ennio Morricone, Gavin Bryars and Arvo Pärt, as well as Godspeed You! Black Emperor, Popol Vuh, Pink Floyd and late-era Talk Talk. The collective are animated by the decline of spirituality with the rise of secular capitalism while also explicitly distancing themselves from the right-wing and fascistic elements of the neofolk genre.
Supported by an ever-changing cast of guest musicians, the collective earned their cult following through their two acclaimed LPs, 1987's The Gift of Tears and 1991's Mirrors, the latter of which featuring the alto saxophone textures of organist Bill Dawson. The Revolutionary Army followed up Mirror with two EPs, 1993's La Liturgie pour la fin du Temps and 1995's Paradis before entering a prolonged hiatus. After nearly twenty years of dormancy, the French label Infrastition invited the collective to have their discography re-released, and a retrospective box set, After the End, followed in 2013. Riding the momentum of the renewed interest in their work, the collective issued their third album, Beauty Will Save the World, in 2015, with the Revolutionary Army now reduced to its core members Egan, Hampson and Paul Boyce and a new array of session players. 2020 saw the release of sister albums Songs of Yearning and Nocturnes.
"The Gift of Tears" (1987) https://revolutionaryarmyoftheinfantjesus.bandcamp.com/album/the-gift-of-tears" rel="nofollow - https://revolutionaryarmyoftheinfantjesus.bandcamp.com/album/the-gift-of-tears
"Mirror" (1991) https://revolutionaryarmyoftheinfantjesus.bandcamp.com/album/mirror" rel="nofollow - https://revolutionaryarmyoftheinfantjesus.bandcamp.com/album/mirror
"Beauty Will Save the World" (2015) https://revolutionaryarmyoftheinfantjesus.bandcamp.com/album/beauty-will-save-the-world" rel="nofollow - https://revolutionaryarmyoftheinfantjesus.bandcamp.com/album/beauty-will-save-the-world
"Songs of Yearning" (2020) https://revolutionaryarmyoftheinfantjesus.bandcamp.com/album/songs-of-yearning" rel="nofollow - https://revolutionaryarmyoftheinfantjesus.bandcamp.com/album/songs-of-yearning
"Nocturnes" (2020) https://revolutionaryarmyoftheinfantjesus.bandcamp.com/album/nocturnes" rel="nofollow - https://revolutionaryarmyoftheinfantjesus.bandcamp.com/album/nocturnes
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Posted By: Gordy
Date Posted: February 17 2022 at 20:17
Write-ups at the Progressive Aspect...
https://theprogressiveaspect.net/blog/2020/06/30/revolutionary-army-of-the-infant-jesus-songs-of-yearning-nocturnes/" rel="nofollow - https://theprogressiveaspect.net/blog/2020/06/30/revolutionary-army-of-the-infant-jesus-songs-of-yearning-nocturnes/
...and in Prog magazine:
https://www.loudersound.com/reviews/revolutionary-army-of-the-infant-jesus-mirror-album-review" rel="nofollow - https://www.loudersound.com/reviews/revolutionary-army-of-the-infant-jesus-mirror-album-review
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: February 19 2022 at 02:22
will investigate ASAP (already started this moring)
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Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: February 19 2022 at 20:21
Really like this band
------------- Ian
Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com
https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/
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Posted By: Gordy
Date Posted: February 28 2022 at 17:38
Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:
Really like this band |
I'm glad to hear; I was considering assigning them to RIO/Avant (a la Księżyc) before settling on PF. I think I like Mirror the most, along with a smattering of tracks from their reunion years (they definitely connect with me more than Dead Can Dance, whom I wish I liked more).
Hugues and Ken: any thoughts?
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Posted By: kenethlevine
Date Posted: February 28 2022 at 20:25
Initial thoughts from listening to "Mirror" were not positive as far as hearing the folk but I hear more of it in "Songs of Yearning". I'll try a bit more tomorrow
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Posted By: kenethlevine
Date Posted: March 23 2022 at 22:40
based on Nocturnes and Songs of Yearning, I would say yes. Hugues?
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Posted By: Gordy
Date Posted: March 29 2022 at 23:35
kenethlevine wrote:
based on Nocturnes and Songs of Yearning, I would say yes. Hugues? |
Awesome. I think I still hold Mirror in high regard though their new work is certainly more mature and consistent in its approach (and their version of "Ave Maria" is hands down the best thing they've done). So yeah, curious to hear what Hugues thinks.
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Posted By: Gordy
Date Posted: April 13 2022 at 02:33
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: April 13 2022 at 08:04
Yeah, this slipped my mind. (though I do have the impression that I had started to look into it)
I'll probably have the time to investigate this Easter w-e.
------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword
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Posted By: Gordy
Date Posted: April 15 2022 at 21:33
Sean Trane wrote:
I'll probably have the time to investigate this Easter w-e.
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I'm sure the band would find that apropos!
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: April 16 2022 at 07:26
Gordy wrote:
Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:
Really like this band |
I'm glad to hear; I was considering assigning them to RIO/Avant (a la Księżyc) before settling on PF. I think I like Mirror
the most, along with a smattering of tracks from their reunion years
(they definitely connect with me more than Dead Can Dance, whom I wish I
liked more).
Hugues and Ken: any thoughts? |
TBH, it's not a straight Prog Folk inclusion again we're being proposed here.
This project is again a bit more darkwave/gothic like DCD is (and since DCD is in PF)
I don't here much "folk" in there. It(s one of the elements for sure but hardly a main ingredient of the soup, especially on Mirrors.
kenethlevine wrote:
Initial thoughts from listening to "Mirror" were not positive as far as hearing the folk but I hear more of it in "Songs of Yearning". I'll try a bit more tomorrow |
Their early albums are not convincing me for PF inclusion, but the latter two definitely more so: especially Nocturnes - but Yearning a tad less so.
I'd say a weak yes for PF, but I'd be more tempted to say that if this was presented to RIO/Avant (or another genre solution) and they accepted it, I would feel better about them being in PA under that umbrella than ours.
------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword
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Posted By: Snicolette
Date Posted: April 16 2022 at 08:26
Well, thank you for this! Started with Nocturnes, now need to go backwards through the discography. 
------------- "Into every rain, a little life must fall." ~Tom Rapp
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Posted By: Gordy
Date Posted: April 16 2022 at 22:51
Funny how Yearning is such a divisive release. Definitely reasonable points, Hugues; I had a feeling this would be another difficult-to-classify act.
So right now it's Ken with a Yes and Hugues with, shall we say, half a green sphere. Should we toss this to ZART or does the PF team feel comfortable going ahead with the Army?
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Posted By: kenethlevine
Date Posted: April 18 2022 at 09:55
Gordy, it sounds like Hugues would like RIO/Avant to take the group but would take them if they were rejected by RIO/AVant. I think it likely they will be bounced back here. Do you want to ping that group and see what they think?
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Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: April 18 2022 at 09:59
As an avant team member I'd certainly vote to send them back here if they were getting yes votes here, I believe they are a better fit here. I can't speak for my colleagues. I do like them and own a couple of albums.
------------- Ian
Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com
https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/
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Posted By: Gordy
Date Posted: April 18 2022 at 12:11
@ Ken + Ian: I've changed the thread header, I'm excited to see what ZART thinks but I'm glad the PF team left the door open.
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Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: April 18 2022 at 13:29
Gordy wrote:
@ Ken + Ian: I've changed the thread header, I'm excited to see what ZART thinks but I'm glad the PF team left the door open.
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I've notified the team.
------------- Ian
Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com
https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/
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Posted By: nick_h_nz
Date Posted: April 18 2022 at 14:04
Definitely more Prog Folk than any other PA genre. But, as we have seen before, the prog folk team don’t seem to like taking on these more modern British folk acts. So, as frustrating as it could be if I cared enough, it’s unsurprising this is being bounced to another team.
On the plus side, at least this time it appears if they are bounced back they will be accepted by prog folk. Poor old Nature and Organisation ended up in Prog Related, when they should have been a shoo-in for Prog Folk… 🙄
------------- https://tinyurl.com/nickhnz-tpa" rel="nofollow - Reviewer for The Progressive Aspect
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: April 19 2022 at 03:54
OK, I feel like the bad guy here with everyone aligning against me  I accept other people's informed advised opinion and will say yes for PF without any further adue. 
no need to undertake a RIO investigation. 
------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword
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Posted By: nick_h_nz
Date Posted: April 19 2022 at 04:18
Sean Trane wrote:
OK, I feel like the bad guy here with everyone aligning against me  I accept other people's informed advised opinion and will say yes for PF without any further adue. 
no need to undertake a RIO investigation. 
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Sorry if you felt my post was a personal attack. It wasn’t meant that way. It’s the nature of PA, that over time, different teams will comprise different people, who have different ideas of where the boundaries for their genre lie. This is compounded by the way genres evolve over time. I think this is something Pedro is especially attuned to, because it is really very difficult to view anything in comparison to anything else at a different point in time. Everything needs to be looked at contemporaneously, and for what it is/was at the time it is/was - rather than against some somewhat arbitrary historic example.
What is fairly universally considered prog folk in the UK these days does not particularly match what is considered prog folk on PA. That’s not the fault of any of the team, necessarily, if they are not geographically aligned with this particular branch of neo-folk.
It’s not just prog folk either. There are several UK prog bands that have not been considered prog enough for PA, despite being pretty much universally considered prog within the UK, regularly appearing in the pages of Prog magazine, and in the line-ups of UK prog festivals.
The same can be said for what is considered prog in Aotearoa, and probably most countries of the world. Prog has differing boundaries and definitions depending on which country it is talked about. PA will always have a tough job, because it is trying to take a global view, that will not always match localised ones.
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: April 19 2022 at 04:35
nick_h_nz wrote:
Sean Trane wrote:
OK, I feel like the bad guy here with everyone aligning against me  I accept other people's informed advised opinion and will say yes for PF without any further adue. 
no need to undertake a RIO investigation. 
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Sorry if you felt my post was a personal attack. It wasn’t meant that way. |
not at all taken as such - see my emoticons-smileys  
nick_h_nz wrote:
It’s the nature of PA, that over time, different teams will comprise different people, who have different ideas of where the boundaries for their genre lie. This is compounded by the way genres evolve over time. I think this is something Pedro is especially attuned to, because it is really very difficult to view anything in comparison to anything else at a different point in time. Everything needs to be looked at contemporaneously, and for what it is/was at the time it is/was - rather than against some somewhat arbitrary historic example.
What is fairly universally considered prog folk in the UK these days does not particularly match what is considered prog folk on PA. That’s not the fault of any of the team, necessarily, if they are not geographically aligned with this particular branch of neo-folk. |
Yeah, I guess PA has rewritten the history - just like the whole medium has... and since unconventional artistes don't want to be piegonholed and blurring the genre lines (not even intentionally so), it becomes increasingly difficult to work with our outdated and strict system. 
------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword
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Posted By: Guy Guden
Date Posted: April 19 2022 at 04:49
they sound wonderful on SPACE PIRATE RADIO. labels & categories of music & sound have never mattered in the broadcast. I dig them. listeners seem to agree. thank you for bringing them to the attention of others.
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Posted By: kenethlevine
Date Posted: April 19 2022 at 09:44
yes it's been a challenge to accept the idea that bands without much lineage to "conventional" prog folk should be considered. That's why, especially with the loss of Bob (clemofnazareth) from our team a few years ago, we have been thinking it would be good to find a 3rd person for prog folk, ideally someone younger with these new ways of looking at the music.
But in the meantime, I'll add the group to prog folk some time today 
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Posted By: Gordy
Date Posted: April 19 2022 at 17:50
kenethlevine wrote:
yes it's been a challenge to accept the idea that bands without much lineage to "conventional" prog folk should be considered. That's why, especially with the loss of Bob (clemofnazareth) from our team a few years ago, we have been thinking it would be good to find a 3rd person for prog folk, ideally someone younger with these new ways of looking at the music.
But in the meantime, I'll add the group to prog folk some time today  |
Great to hear, Ken. And I'm glad so many people have enjoyed this group. As much as I wish the Nature and Organisation debate hadn't been so convoluted, I'm just happy they're here and represented on PA, even if I agree PF was the most logical and better fit. I certainly don't blame the mods for planning to toss RAIJ around as they're definitely not clear cut and I knew that while positing the suggestion.
And I turned 35 a month ago; to quote a progressive (but not prog) folkie, "If you want me, honey baby I'll be here." 
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Posted By: kenethlevine
Date Posted: April 19 2022 at 19:06
http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=12150" rel="nofollow - added !
Gordy, Hugues and I have discussed the possibility of approaching you to join the group as a collaborator. Certainly your neo folk knowledge has been very helpful. I've long thought that many neo folk groups qualify as prog but I lacked a lot of exposure beyong some of the big names and a few like Ostara that we briefly considered. Your references in the well written bios suggest a wider knowledge of prog and prog folk but just checking that you are generally open to classic prog folk which, believe it or not, we still add on occasion, as well as modern prog and folk outside of the wyrd and neo scenes. I'll let Hugues chime in as well
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Posted By: Gordy
Date Posted: April 20 2022 at 00:36
kenethlevine wrote:
http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=12150" rel="nofollow - added !
Gordy, Hugues and I have discussed the possibility of approaching you to join the group as a collaborator. Certainly your neo folk knowledge has been very helpful. I've long thought that many neo folk groups qualify as prog but I lacked a lot of exposure beyong some of the big names and a few like Ostara that we briefly considered. Your references in the well written bios suggest a wider knowledge of prog and prog folk but just checking that you are generally open to classic prog folk which, believe it or not, we still add on occasion, as well as modern prog and folk outside of the wyrd and neo scenes. I'll let Hugues chime in as well |
Thanks for the kind words and the addition. It would be an honour and privilege if you decide to take me on. I've become quite the folk lover over the past fifteen years, appreciating the likes of both Fairport Convention and the Pentangle and more modern groups like the Angels of Light and Larkin Grimm (but I could never get into Jethro Tull, funny enough!).
I actually only started listening to neofolk fairly recently due to my personal reticence regarding Death in June's long reactionary shadow that hangs over the genre (now it's my primary guilty pleasure - move over, Coldplay! - and I remain a devoted Trotskyist). I'd love to have a deeper discussion over PM about your take on neofolk and which bands you think fit the prog/acid/psych folk categories as there's a lot I could learn from you.
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Posted By: kenethlevine
Date Posted: April 20 2022 at 11:43
that's great Gordy. I'm glad you'd be up for it. Yes I'll PM you to discuss prog folk more for sure.
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: April 20 2022 at 13:38
kenethlevine wrote:
yes it's been a challenge to accept the idea that
bands without much lineage to "conventional" prog folk should be
considered. That's why, especially with the loss of Bob
(clemofnazareth) from our team a few years ago, we have been thinking it
would be good to find a 3rd person for prog folk, ideally someone
younger with these new ways of looking at the music.
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Yup, after some 18 years on board (16 as a PF member - though I'm more of a JR/F dude) , some fresh cannon flesh will be welcome  .
kenethlevine wrote:
Gordy, Hugues and I have discussed the possibility of approaching you to join the group as a collaborator. Certainly your neo folk knowledge has been very helpful. I've long thought that many neo folk groups qualify as prog but I lacked a lot of exposure beyong some of the big names and a few like Ostara that we briefly considered. Your references in the well written bios suggest a wider knowledge of prog and prog folk but just checking that you are generally open to classic prog folk which, believe it or not, we still add on occasion, as well as modern prog and folk outside of the wyrd and neo scenes. I'll let Hugues chime in as well |
TBH, I did take enjoyment in discovering much of these neo-folk (or Wyrd
- for "weird" - Folk scene acts) , but not all of them were fit to be
here. Devendra, Newsom, Jos Foster & the likes were quite a
challenge to assess.
But then again, despite being +/- aware of stuff like Current 93 or Nurses With Wounds and all of that current (what I call "darkwave"), I was never able get into "that stuff"
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Posted By: kenethlevine
Date Posted: April 20 2022 at 20:22
It sounds to me like this is a go for adding Gordy as the long awaited 3rd member! Welcome! Hugues, do you know if there is a formal process? Whom do I approach to have Gordy added as a collaborator?
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: April 20 2022 at 20:50
^ Normally a PM to an admin, but I have been keeping my eye on this thread and have brought it up with Admin. I wholeheartedly support the promotion to Collab. I've thought that Gordy would be a great addition for quite some time.
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Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: April 20 2022 at 21:17
Logan wrote:
^ Normally a PM to an admin, but I have been keeping my eye on this thread and have brought it up with Admin. I wholeheartedly support the promotion to Collab. I've thought that Gordy would be a great addition for quite some time. |
Agreed, I've been watching from the sidelines quietly rooting for Gordy.
------------- Ian
Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com
https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/
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Posted By: kenethlevine
Date Posted: April 20 2022 at 22:21
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: April 21 2022 at 04:35
Welcome aboard, Gordy !
May the madness begin  !!
------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword
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Posted By: kenethlevine
Date Posted: April 21 2022 at 09:59
Posted By: Gordy
Date Posted: April 21 2022 at 10:54
@Ken, Hugues, Greg & Ian:
Y'all are so kind and sweet - seriously, I'm supremely touched! Thank you for making me part of a project that has enriched my life and expanded my musical horizons in such a formative way over the years. I look forward to working with you.
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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: April 21 2022 at 11:53
Love the band's music. Hate the band's name. Glad to see Ken and Hugues get some help in the neo prog world. Congratulations to Gordy!
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