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I remember when 'Learning to Fly' was the new Pink Floyd single in '87.  Actually it was a "cassingle"--  one or two cuts on a micro-cassette tape.
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Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

Originally posted by projeKct projeKct wrote:

^ It has nothing to do with my ears. He sings out of tune.

Oh my god -- know the context first. He sang the song a Capella on the empty streets of Kyiv while on duty with the Ukraine army. Not very long afterward he was hospitalized with shrapnel wounds from mortar fire by the Russians.

Thanks for clearing that up for me. I admit I didn't know, or read about it first. For me it's always music first. Not lyrics, or context.

Now I can understand why it's not a "perfect" performance, but powerful and meaningful nonetheless.
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^Apology accepted.
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Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

I'm not sure which side Roger would support these days.

Oh dear, has he gotten that erratic?   If I recall he was kinda Libertarian (or the British equivalent?)


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Heart-warming project, quality is OK as far as I'm concerned. I like that they did this although the song won't appear in my top XXX any time soon.
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Originally posted by JD JD wrote:

Andriy Khlyvnyuk has got a great voice. Clap
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Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

I'm not sure which side Roger would support these days.

Oh dear, has he gotten that erratic?   If I recall he was kinda Libertarian (or the British equivalent?)




Roger only posted a video after some ukranian young woman reached out to him wondering why there had been no statement from him. He did condemn the violence and called the russian government gangsters... and then went on calling all his usual suspects gangsters too and condemning them. When she reached again about clearing up something or whatever, he went on to ask if the ukranians had tried to solve the problem without violence, or to find a peaceful solution, or something of the sort.
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Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

I'm not sure which side Roger would support these days.

Oh dear, has he gotten that erratic?   If I recall he was kinda Libertarian (or the British equivalent?)

He’s not really erratic at all, and his statement was quite predictable in its content. Waters absolutely is against the Russian invasion of Ukraine, as he is against the invasion and occupation of any one sovereign country by another. But what he has done is state quite categorically that he doesn’t believe the people of Russia should suffer for the actions of their gangster leader. He has also pointed out that Putin is in no way the only gangster, and that while he abhors Putin and all he stands for, so he has distaste for the actions of several Western leaders.

While I could never say I agree with Waters all the time, his views are largely similar to my own, and not dissimilar to many on this forum, based upon the Ukraine threads that have come and gone.

Unfortunately, Waters is rather like our own Pedro, in often having quite commonly held views, but expressing them in such a condescending and vitriolic manner that they almost seem other than intended. I am not a Waters fan, by any stretch of the imagination, but I think he is often wrongfully vilified.

Ultimately, Waters cares about the people of this world, and wants as little bloodshed as possible. He seeks pragmatic solutions that are possibly too idealistic, but then (again) so do many others.

[EDIT to add Waters’ post]

Originally posted by Roger Waters Roger Waters wrote:

A NOTE FROM ROGER REGARDING UKRAINE.  BUT FIRST, A NOTE FROM ALINA:

Hello!
My name is Alina Mitrofanova, I am 19 years old, and I live in Ukraine. Today my country is resisting the  Russian invasion and the real war started by Russian president and led by Russian army. 

I am a huge Pink Floyd and Roger Waters fan, and it was very important for me to hear Roger's opinion on this whole situation. It may not seem as urgent and critical, because this war can be considered as only "our problem", but unfortunately it rapidly becomes a catastrophe for the entire Europe and world.
The war started 11 days ago, and everyday we hear sirens that signalize about bombs thrown by Russian occupants. Russia's aggression destroys MY country, kills hundreds of innocent adults and children in MY country, and I cannot explain how many Ukrainians are forced to leave their homes and run away from this madness. Ukrainian Eastern cities are being destroyed by Russian army, hundreds of thousands of people are evacuating and becoming refugees, and their number is increasing every minute. I'm in pain, as many other Ukrainians, because it hurts a lot to see how MY country becomes a military target for Russia and its mad leader, who's convinced that there are "neo-Nazis", who have to be killed. It's absolutely false, because I live here, and I can tell 200% that there are no such people there!

I ask Roger to speak publicly about this war, because I still cannot understand how a person, who wrote a significant number of anti-war lyrics, hasn't spoken about tragedy yet. Furthermore, fully understand that Roger's point of view may be different, but I ask him to share his own opinion on this war. It's better than just being silent, because in this situation, silence is one of the worst enemies - it's impossible to build a wall in this situation and stay isolated from this problem. 

I'm 95% sure that this letter will not be delivered to Roger directly, and it would be just a miracle if a have an answer. However, a man who speaks about risks of nuclear catastrophe and about the senselessness of the war cannot be silent in this situation. Tell the world your position!

Best regards from Ukraine, 
Alina Mitrofanova

---

Dear Alina, 
I read your letter, I feel your pain, I am disgusted by Putin’s invasion of Ukraine, it is a criminal mistake in my opinion, the act of a gangster, there must be an immediate ceasefire. I regret that Western governments are fueling the fire that will destroy your beautiful country by pouring arms into Ukraine, instead of engaging in the diplomacy that will be necessary to stop the slaughter. Rest assured if all our leaders don’t turn down the rhetoric and engage in diplomatic negotiations there will be precious little of Ukraine left when the fighting is over. A long drawn out insurgency in Ukraine would be great for the gangster hawks in Washington, it’s what they dream of, “playing the game” as they do, ”with the bravery of being out of range” I desperately hope your President is not a gangster too and that he will do what is best for his people, and demand of the Americans that they come to the table.  Sadly however, many world leaders are gangsters and my disgust for political gangsters did not start last week with Putin. I was disgusted by the gangsters Bush and Blair when they invaded Iraq in 2003, I was and still am disgusted by the gangster government of Israel's invasion of Palestine in 1967 and its subsequent apartheid occupation of that land which has now been going on for over fifty years. I was disgusted by the gangsters Obama and Clinton ordering NATO's illegal bombings of both Libya and Serbia. I am disgusted by the wholesale destruction of Syria initiated, as it was, in 2011 by outside interference in the cause of regime change. I was disgusted by the invasion of Lebanon in 1982 when the gangster Shimon Peres connived with the Christian Phalangist Militias in the murder of Palestinian refugees in Sabra and Shatila refugee camps in the south of that country. 

I feel for you Alina, and your Mum and Dad and your uncles and aunts and brothers and sisters and cousins, I lost both my father Eric Fletcher Waters and my grandfather George Henry Waters in wars fighting the Germans. 

Please believe me when I tell you that I believe in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights signed in Paris 1948. I have fought as hard as I know how to foster and support human rights for all my brothers and sisters all over the world for as long as I can remember, and I support you and yours now, with all my heart. 
Speaking of gangsters, I do have to take issue with you about one thing in your letter, your “200%” belief that there are no Neo-Nazis in your country is almost certainly mistaken. Both the Azov Battalions in your army, the National Militia and C14 are well known self-proclaimed Neo Nazis groups. They are gangsters too. 

Also, I have not been silent on Ukraine, I wrote a piece which was distributed six days ago by Globetrotter, I shall append it to this post: https://braveneweurope.com/roger-waters-the-war-profiteering-gangsters-will-kill-us-all-unless-we-unite-against-them

What else Alina? Well, we the people, all of us in every country in the world, including Ukraine and Russia, can fight the gangsters, we can tell them we will not be part of their obscene and deadly wars to garner power and wealth at the expense of others, we can tell them that our families, in fact all families all over the world mean more to us than all the power and money in the world. 

Where I live in the USA we can join Black Lives Matter or Code Pink or BDS or Veterans For Peace or myriad other anti-war, pro law, pro freedom, pro human rights organizations. 

I will do anything I can to help effect the end of this awful war in your country, anything that is except wave a flag to encourage the slaughter. That is what the gangsters want, they want us to wave flags. That is how they divide and control us, by encouraging the waving of flags, to create a smokescreen of enmity to blind us to our innate capacity to empathize with one another, while they plunder and rape our fragile planet. I will do everything in my power to help bring peace back to you and your family and your beautiful country. The long drawn-out war/insurgency that Hillary Clinton and Condoleezza Rice and the rest of the has been gangster Washington Hawks are encouraging is not in your nor Ukraine’s best interests.
  
I wish you well Alina. 
Thank you for your letter, and if you chose to send a reply to this. 
I will print that reply. 
I promise.
Love
R.
PS. Have you got a dog? If so please send a pic.


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Gangster David, leave politics to Saint Roger (you stink at it - even more than he does LOL).

Or let him write and sing the lyrics to that tune (not that this straight-blues is worthy of Floyd, anyways)




Edited by Sean Trane - April 08 2022 at 01:15
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Originally posted by progaardvark progaardvark wrote:

You can listen to the single here:



that's actually pretty good 
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Can't believe there are people here taking the piss.  I think it's great!  
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Hi,

Maybe I am too cynical for this, but really ... DG by himself can write a check that will send Ukraine more money than a "single" ever will.

Just weird and strange for me to see this, although I'm OK with hearing new music, but calling it PF is a bit strange.
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Nice to hear a nurse song from David Gilmour and company. 
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Originally posted by Rick1 Rick1 wrote:

Can't believe there are people here taking the piss.  I think it's great!  


Empty bladder Big smile

Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Hi,Maybe I am too cynical for this, but really ... DG by himself can write a check that will send Ukraine more money than a "single" ever will.

Just weird and strange for me to see this, although I'm OK with hearing new music, but calling it PF is a bit strange.


my thoughts exactly!! Clap

Gilmour could've been discreet (and let Roger shout)



what is worrysomeOuch, is that I think like Pedro.ShockedConfused
Time to consult a shrink, I guess LOL



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At least we don't have to hear "I love David, but I wish he'd just stick to music"

(Oh yeah, that's only reserved for Roger Waters, despite DAVID inviting Roger to play with him for The Palestinian Benefit)

Maybe the three of them are saving their second one-off for Yemen. Let's hope Nick has a son-in-law from there. There's been a genocide there for almost a decade -- the war in Yemen has killed 400,000. But they are not (as NBC would say) "Blonde hair, blue eyed, a civilized nation".



Edited by MortSahlFan - April 08 2022 at 15:44
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This seems to me Pink Floyd's Calling All Stations: an old iconic moniker has been pulled out of the dustbin, the song is listenable, the voice is ok, but the music (a background and a rather generic guitar solo added to the vocals) does not exactly recall the Pink Floyd sound, even though two long time band members are involved.
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Yes, Roger is on the good side, but it's more of a surprise to me than a given. And that speaks volumes about the man.
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Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Hi,

Maybe I am too cynical for this, but really ... DG by himself can write a check that will send Ukraine more money than a "single" ever will.

Just weird and strange for me to see this, although I'm OK with hearing new music, but calling it PF is a bit strange.

What an a**hole thing to say. How the hell do you know how much he's contributed personally? Gilmour has given millions to charity in the last several decades, including auctioning his entire guitar collection for $21 million and donating the proceeds to charity. His daughter-in-law is Ukrainian, he decided to use the Pink Floyd name for a worthwhile cause. STFU.
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Originally posted by MortSahlFan MortSahlFan wrote:

At least we don't have to hear "I love David, but I wish he'd
just stick to music"
<p style="margin-bottom: 0in; line-height: 100%"> (Oh yeah, that's only reserved for Roger
Waters, despite DAVID inviting Roger to play with him for The Palestinian Benefit)

<p style="margin-bottom: 0in; line-height: 100%">Maybe the three of them are saving their second one-off for Yemen. Let's hope Nick has a son-in-law from there. There's been a genocide there for almost a decade -- the war in Yemen has killed 400,000. But they are not (as NBC would say) "Blonde hair, blue eyed, a civilized nation".


Given your concern for Yemen. I was curious if there is a side to this conflict that you are more partial to, and if so, why? I have been looking at which countries back which side and I am not real clear on why.

Edited by Easy Money - April 08 2022 at 19:58
Help the victims of the russian invasion:
http://www.jazzmusicarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28523&PID=130446&title=various-ways-you-can-help-ukraine#130446
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Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Hi,

Maybe I am too cynical for this, but really ... DG by himself can write a check that will send Ukraine more money than a "single" ever will.

Just weird and strange for me to see this, although I'm OK with hearing new music, but calling it PF is a bit strange.

I think you are too cynical. Because not only could DG by himself write a cheque that will send Ukraine more money than a “single” ever will, you would never know if he had not done just that,

DG is a charitable fellow, and also a modest one. He is the sort who would make just the sort of personal charitable donation you speak of, but quietly, behind the scenes, and without publicity. The assumption that people have not donated money to any cause, simply because they have not publicised it, is deeply flawed. I am sure I am not the only one here who is friends with musicians of fairly high standing (though I know no one of the stature of DG), and therefore might know of charitable donations they have made that they have not made public. Not every charitable donation needs to be a grand gesture.

And surely it is better to make this single, and have the publicity go towards that? I don’t know that DG has made his own donation, but I would be very surprised if he has not. Releasing this single, in that case, is like the icing on the cake, as it invites even more charity.

The other thing is that Pink Floyd, as a known brand, has MASSIVE international renown. By releasing this single, it is a HUGE way of gaining attention, and gaining maximum proceeds for charity.

Even if I didn’t think this grouping of people deserved to be called Pink Floyd, and might more aptly be described as the DG band, I personally think it would be rather uncharitable not to see why the Pink Floyd brand is the best to use for a charity single.

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