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Topic: New Pink Floyd single this Friday
Posted By: jude111
Subject: New Pink Floyd single this Friday
Date Posted: April 07 2022 at 11:53
| http://www.theguardian.com/music/2022/apr/07/pink-floyd-reform-to-support-ukraine" rel="nofollow - New Pink Floyd single coming! |
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: April 07 2022 at 12:01
| link is not working |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: April 07 2022 at 12:29
Pink Floyd to Release New Song in Benefit of the People of Ukraine
“Hey Hey Rise Up” features David Gilmour and Nick Mason joined by longtime Pink Floyd bass player Guy Pratt, Nitin Sawhney on keyboards and a vocal performance by Andriy Khlyvnyuk of Ukrainian band Boombox. Khlyvnyuk’s vocals are sampled from an Instagram post he shared from Kyiv’s Sofiyskaya Square on Feb. 27. In the video, Khlyvnyuk stoically sings “The Red Viburnum In The Meadow” a cappella in uniform. His vocals are beautiful on their own but quickly become harrowing once one realizes the junction where he stands would usually be loud with traffic and passersby. “The Red Viburnum In The Meadow” was written during World War I and continues to serve as a protest song across Ukraine, and Pink Floyd’s song is titled from the translation of the song’s final line. “We, like so many, have been feeling the fury and the frustration of this vile act of an independent, peaceful democratic country being invaded and having its people murdered by one of the world’s major powers,” said Gilmour in a press release. Since the video was posted Khlyvnyuk was injured by mortar shrapnel and while recovering in the hospital he was reached out to by Gilmour. “I played him a little bit of the song down the phone line and he gave me his blessing. We both hope to do something together in person in the future,” said Gilmour. “I hope it will receive wide support and publicity. We want to raise funds for humanitarian charities, and raise morale. We want express our support for Ukraine and in that way, show that most of the world thinks that it is totally wrong for a superpower to invade the independent democratic country that Ukraine has become.” The proceeds from “Hey Hey Rise Up” will benefit The Ukraine Humanitarian Relief Fun. Pre-order the song https://pinkfloyd.lnk.to/HeyHeyRiseUp" rel="nofollow - here .  ------------- This message was brought to you by a proud supporter of the Deep State. |
Posted By: nick_h_nz
Date Posted: April 07 2022 at 13:34
It’s 99% working, though. All it was missing was the colon. Rather than saying it’s not working, why not just fix the link? Here is the OP’s link, with the colon in place ⬇️ https://www.theguardian.com/music/2022/apr/07/pink-floyd-reform-to-support-ukraine" rel="nofollow - https://www.theguardian.com/music/2022/apr/07/pink-floyd-reform-to-support-ukraine ------------- https://tinyurl.com/nickhnz-tpa" rel="nofollow - Reviewer for The Progressive Aspect |
Cristi wrote:Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: April 07 2022 at 13:37
all I got was a 404 Not Found.
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Posted By: Easy Money
Date Posted: April 07 2022 at 13:38
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Good for them! ------------- Help the victims of the russian invasion: http://www.jazzmusicarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28523&PID=130446&title=various-ways-you-can-help-ukraine#130446 |
Posted By: nick_h_nz
Date Posted: April 07 2022 at 13:41
So did I, but I looked to the address bar to see if I could see why, and there it was. A missing colon. To be fair, it wasn’t immediately obvious, as until I clicked on the address bar it showed no address. ------------- https://tinyurl.com/nickhnz-tpa" rel="nofollow - Reviewer for The Progressive Aspect |
Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: April 07 2022 at 13:57
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Interesting. i'm not sure what to expect from this. but expectations aren't terribly high. ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: alainPP
Date Posted: April 07 2022 at 14:05
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waiting, but in view of the events, this raises questions for me! ------------- le prog rend jeune |
Posted By: progaardvark
Date Posted: April 07 2022 at 14:09
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You can listen to the single here: ------------- ---------- i'm shopping for a new oil-cured sinus bag that's a happy bag of lettuce this car smells like cartilage nothing beats a good video about fractions |
Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: April 07 2022 at 14:16
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Fantastic. I will share tomorrow. ------------- Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org Now also broadcasting on www.progzilla.com Every Saturday, 4.00 p.m. UK time! |
Posted By: JD
Date Posted: April 07 2022 at 14:36
Andriy Khlyvnyuk has got a great voice.  ------------- Thank you for supporting independently produced music |
Posted By: projeKct
Date Posted: April 07 2022 at 15:07
Hmmm... I'm hoping to hear an instrumental version of the song someday. I don't like the voice, sorry! 
Anyway, I created an entry in the archives: http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=74999" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=74999
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Posted By: JD
Date Posted: April 07 2022 at 15:20
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Well...might I suggest:  ------------- Thank you for supporting independently produced music |
Posted By: projeKct
Date Posted: April 07 2022 at 15:22
| ^ It has nothing to do with my ears. He sings out of tune. |
Posted By: Easy Money
Date Posted: April 07 2022 at 15:23
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Beautiful singing and very moving video, kudos to everyone involved. ------------- Help the victims of the russian invasion: http://www.jazzmusicarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28523&PID=130446&title=various-ways-you-can-help-ukraine#130446 |
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: April 07 2022 at 15:49
Why was Roger Waters not invited? I thought those guys made up. 
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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: April 07 2022 at 16:02
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I'm not sure which side Roger would support these days. Beautiful song. Well done to all. ------------- This message was brought to you by a proud supporter of the Deep State. |
Posted By: Steve Wyzard
Date Posted: April 07 2022 at 16:47
| It's not Pink Floyd without Richard Wright! |
Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: April 07 2022 at 17:30
Oh my god -- know the context first. He sang the song a Capella on the empty streets of Kyiv while on duty with the Ukraine army. Not very long afterward he was hospitalized with shrapnel wounds from mortar fire by the Russians. ------------- ...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology... |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: April 07 2022 at 17:43
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I remember when 'Learning to Fly' was the new Pink Floyd single in '87. Actually it was a "cassingle"-- one or two cuts on a micro-cassette tape. ------------- "Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy |
Posted By: projeKct
Date Posted: April 07 2022 at 17:53
Thanks for clearing that up for me. I admit I didn't know, or read about it first. For me it's always music first. Not lyrics, or context. Now I can understand why it's not a "perfect" performance, but powerful and meaningful nonetheless.
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Posted By: JD
Date Posted: April 07 2022 at 17:55
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^Apology accepted. ------------- Thank you for supporting independently produced music |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: April 07 2022 at 18:01
Oh dear, has he gotten that erratic? If I recall he was kinda Libertarian (or the British equivalent?) ------------- "Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy |
Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: April 07 2022 at 18:14
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Heart-warming project, quality is OK as far as I'm concerned. I like that they did this although the song won't appear in my top XXX any time soon. |
Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: April 07 2022 at 23:02
Agree.....a really nice project. -------------   
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Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: April 07 2022 at 23:20
Roger only posted a video after some ukranian young woman reached out to him wondering why there had been no statement from him. He did condemn the violence and called the russian government gangsters... and then went on calling all his usual suspects gangsters too and condemning them. When she reached again about clearing up something or whatever, he went on to ask if the ukranians had tried to solve the problem without violence, or to find a peaceful solution, or something of the sort. |
Posted By: nick_h_nz
Date Posted: April 08 2022 at 00:50
He’s not really erratic at all, and his statement was quite predictable in its content. Waters absolutely is against the Russian invasion of Ukraine, as he is against the invasion and occupation of any one sovereign country by another. But what he has done is state quite categorically that he doesn’t believe the people of Russia should suffer for the actions of their gangster leader. He has also pointed out that Putin is in no way the only gangster, and that while he abhors Putin and all he stands for, so he has distaste for the actions of several Western leaders. While I could never say I agree with Waters all the time, his views are largely similar to my own, and not dissimilar to many on this forum, based upon the Ukraine threads that have come and gone. Unfortunately, Waters is rather like our own Pedro, in often having quite commonly held views, but expressing them in such a condescending and vitriolic manner that they almost seem other than intended. I am not a Waters fan, by any stretch of the imagination, but I think he is often wrongfully vilified. Ultimately, Waters cares about the people of this world, and wants as little bloodshed as possible. He seeks pragmatic solutions that are possibly too idealistic, but then (again) so do many others. [EDIT to add Waters’ post]
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: April 08 2022 at 01:12
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Gangster David, leave politics to Saint Roger (you stink at it - even more than he does  ).Or let him write and sing the lyrics to that tune (not that this straight-blues is worthy of Floyd, anyways) ------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: April 08 2022 at 03:39
that's actually pretty good ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: Rick1
Date Posted: April 08 2022 at 04:20
| Can't believe there are people here taking the piss. I think it's great! |
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: April 08 2022 at 08:16
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Hi, Maybe I am too cynical for this, but really ... DG by himself can write a check that will send Ukraine more money than a "single" ever will. Just weird and strange for me to see this, although I'm OK with hearing new music, but calling it PF is a bit strange. ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: Manuel
Date Posted: April 08 2022 at 12:58
| Nice to hear a nurse song from David Gilmour and company. |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: April 08 2022 at 14:11
Empty bladder 
my thoughts exactly!! Gilmour could've been discreet (and let Roger shout) what is worrysome  , is that I think like Pedro. Time to consult a shrink, I guess . ------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: MortSahlFan
Date Posted: April 08 2022 at 15:36
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At least we don't have to hear "I love David, but I wish he'd
just stick to music" (Oh yeah, that's only reserved for Roger Waters, despite DAVID inviting Roger to play with him for The Palestinian Benefit) Maybe the three of them are saving their second one-off for Yemen. Let's hope Nick has a son-in-law from there. There's been a genocide there for almost a decade -- the war in Yemen has killed 400,000. But they are not (as NBC would say) "Blonde hair, blue eyed, a civilized nation". ------------- https://www.youtube.com/c/LoyalOpposition https://www.scribd.com/document/382737647/MortSahlFan-Song-List |
Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: April 08 2022 at 16:27
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This seems to me Pink Floyd's Calling All Stations: an old iconic moniker has been pulled out of the dustbin, the song is listenable, the voice is ok, but the music (a background and a rather generic guitar solo added to the vocals) does not exactly recall the Pink Floyd sound, even though two long time band members are involved. ------------- 
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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: April 08 2022 at 16:37
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Yes, Roger is on the good side, but it's more of a surprise to me than a given. And that speaks volumes about the man. ------------- This message was brought to you by a proud supporter of the Deep State. |
Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: April 08 2022 at 16:57
What an a**hole thing to say. How the hell do you know how much he's contributed personally? Gilmour has given millions to charity in the last several decades, including auctioning his entire guitar collection for $21 million and donating the proceeds to charity. His daughter-in-law is Ukrainian, he decided to use the Pink Floyd name for a worthwhile cause. STFU. ------------- ...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology... |
Posted By: Easy Money
Date Posted: April 08 2022 at 19:01
------------- Help the victims of the russian invasion: http://www.jazzmusicarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28523&PID=130446&title=various-ways-you-can-help-ukraine#130446 |
Posted By: nick_h_nz
Date Posted: April 09 2022 at 00:52
I think you are too cynical. Because not only could DG by himself write a cheque that will send Ukraine more money than a “single” ever will, you would never know if he had not done just that, DG is a charitable fellow, and also a modest one. He is the sort who would make just the sort of personal charitable donation you speak of, but quietly, behind the scenes, and without publicity. The assumption that people have not donated money to any cause, simply because they have not publicised it, is deeply flawed. I am sure I am not the only one here who is friends with musicians of fairly high standing (though I know no one of the stature of DG), and therefore might know of charitable donations they have made that they have not made public. Not every charitable donation needs to be a grand gesture. And surely it is better to make this single, and have the publicity go towards that? I don’t know that DG has made his own donation, but I would be very surprised if he has not. Releasing this single, in that case, is like the icing on the cake, as it invites even more charity. The other thing is that Pink Floyd, as a known brand, has MASSIVE international renown. By releasing this single, it is a HUGE way of gaining attention, and gaining maximum proceeds for charity. Even if I didn’t think this grouping of people deserved to be called Pink Floyd, and might more aptly be described as the DG band, I personally think it would be rather uncharitable not to see why the Pink Floyd brand is the best to use for a charity single. ------------- https://tinyurl.com/nickhnz-tpa" rel="nofollow - Reviewer for The Progressive Aspect |
Posted By: nick_h_nz
Date Posted: April 09 2022 at 01:11
I wouldn’t say he is on the good side, per se. But I don’t think it’s greatly surprising. He’s far more consistent than a lot of people assume, because of how he tends to be portrayed in the media. Going back to his original, often lengthy, diatribes is often necessary - because it can often paint a quite different picture from that which is reported in the media. Waters is almost a Lennon “Imagine” like idealist. I suspect he would rather imagine there were no countries, and nothing to kill or die for. A lot of what he says is idealistically pragmatic, and often probably unachievable. But while there are countries, Waters has consistently come down on any invasion or occupation of one sovereign country by another (with the media making much of his views about Israel and Palestine). But he is, above all, about people over countries. He always emphasises that it is the leaders that he has the problems with. And he always gives historical context that shows why a leader might feel able to take the actions they do. This, more than anything, is where Waters is often misconstrued if people see only parts of what he has written. In terms of Ukraine, I have seen a lot of people state that Waters is a hypocrite, for now standing with Ukraine, when he stood with Russia during the original 2014 invasion of Crimea. However, that’s based entirely on his pointing out the historical problems of borders, and that historically speaking, Crimea has been Russian far longer than it has been Ukrainian. He perhaps made a foolish comment by suggesting that as there more Russians living there than Ukrainians, and as the borders had been so arbitrarily imposed by foreign powers, then he could understand why Putin invaded. But that was more to do with his dislike of the way countries are arbitrarily created and changed over history, to suit the victors or those with the dominant hegemony. He had also criticised Putin for the invasion, and called him out for being a gangster (or whatever terminology he was using back then - I would need to Google to find out). I’m no great fan of Waters. He can be a first-class cockwomble and t**twaffle, and he says some amazingly crass and dickheadish things. But I think, as twisted as it might be, he has a good heart - and just wants the world to live in peace. I was definitely not surprised, the way many seemed to be, when Waters came out on the side of the Ukrainian people, and very much against Putin. To me, that was standard Waters. As was his urging people not to demonise the Russian people just because of their “gangster” leader. And that is something I wish more people would do. Because I am seeing so much anti-Russian sentiment - and that is not helpful at all. It is possible to be pro-Russian people, and anti-Putin. Waters doesn’t like Zelenskyy, either. (Then again, I’m not sure if he likes any world leader.) So he is also consistent there. He is for the Russian and Ukrainian peoples, but not their leaders. ------------- https://tinyurl.com/nickhnz-tpa" rel="nofollow - Reviewer for The Progressive Aspect |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: April 09 2022 at 03:20
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^^^^^ Excellent post resuming Waters Also for more details about those f**ked-borders and the soviet heritage , go back to page 5 or 6 of the first Ukraine concern thread and see the wiki maps I posted. Most of what (the land) the russians are claiming back is what Lenin gave Ukraine exactly 100 years ago - along with Crimea given to them by Kroutchev (was he not Ukrainian?) in 1957, despite being totally russian-populated. Btw, just like Odessa (next to the greater Romania/Moldova) was built by the Tsars in the second half of the XIXth C. Soooooo, I can understand why a communist like Waters has trouble dealing with the Soviet heritage (I/we all do too) and had some sympathy for Russia, but clearly Putin is not a communist (despite coming out of the KGB) - so hating Putin like he does Trump is not hypocrisy from him. Just like me, he (Roger) never thought Putin would actually start this atrocious war.
Point well taken.  I knew agreeing with Pedro was  wrong   
I haven't done a research since the start of that civil war and memory might fail somewhat Yemen: Not taking sides on either faction, but it seems that the original victims (the Oufti near-shiite minority, for which Iran has supported) had actually won its autonomy - prompting the Saudis jumping in for the sunite oppressors that had lost the battle. It's only a matter of time before troubles spread to Oman with the Saudis, whose Zyiadhist religious current majority is also closer to shiism than sunniism. I would really hate that Oman gets into internal troubles, because it is one of those rare countries that actually makes me dream of visting in that area - especially that its longtime sultan dies d some 18 months ago (now replaced by his brother) and he kept in country far from troubles and modernized it without crushing its population (btw, the deceased sultan was gay - not overtly though - which is a total nono in Islam) It seems that the Saudis are quite anxious being caught in a vice-grip by shiism "winning" in both Yemen and Oman in its south with Qatar (also shiite, btw- in its eastetrn front. And there are also shiite minorities in Iraq and Bahrein. The Emirates (Dubaï/Dhabi) are mostly sunnis, though. AFAIAC, I think shiism is actually better for us westerners and "far orientals" (despite the Ayatollahs/Iran stuff), because it has a structure (somewhat pyramidal like catholics) as opposed to sunnis that have no structure - leaving the local imams doing pretty much as they wish. So making a deal with a structured religion might be easier than with a mostly-incontrollable sunnism. Actually despite the fact that sunnis hate shiites in popular castes (the other way is less acrimonous, i understand), the higher castes of sunni have a great respect for the shiite who are more erudite and nave a much greater theological science of islam. Which is why the Saudis (wahabites sunnis who were mostly beduins herders that Churchill empowered to be guardians the sacred mecca & Medina grounds after the Ottoman debacle) hate them. Churchill actually had chosen the saudis precisely because they were "just about the stupidest and most backwards arabs on the peninsula" and therefore more "maleable" .
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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: April 09 2022 at 07:12
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Roger sided with the takeover of Crimea, where Putin also slaughtered many innocent citizens. Case closed, I'm afraid. ------------- This message was brought to you by a proud supporter of the Deep State. |
Posted By: nick_h_nz
Date Posted: April 09 2022 at 14:14
As per my post above, he didn’t actually side with Russia/Putin at all, when it came to Crimea. He was portrayed as siding with Russia, but this was based on things he said out of context. Waters has never been a fan of Putin, but he has often identified what he rightly assumes to be Putin’s justifications, and this has sometimes been taken to be him agreeing with those justifications, which is not the same thing at all. And because Waters ultimately doesn’t really agree with arbitrarily imposed borders, and has Lennon-like uptopian dreams of a world with no need for such borders, he often looks to peaceful pragmatism over what he considers needless deaths in the name of a country, when it is generally nothing to do with the country, so much as its leaders. You may say he’s a dreamer, but he’s not the only one. And even though it would be nice if his dreams could come true, that’s unlikely, so I often disagree with his views. But his views are largely laudable, if rather naive and quite improbable (if not impossible). ------------- https://tinyurl.com/nickhnz-tpa" rel="nofollow - Reviewer for The Progressive Aspect |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: April 09 2022 at 16:08
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Nick, you can sugar coat this all you like. Roger never made a statement condemning the murder of innocent citizens in the Crimea. If he's a dreamer than I certainly hope he's the only one. ------------- This message was brought to you by a proud supporter of the Deep State. |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: April 10 2022 at 03:26
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Nick, Forget trying to get some sense from the heavily visually-impaired Steve. Crimea's annexion was almost bloodless since 97% of the inhabitants are Russians and +/- agreed to it. Just as his Ukro-European avatar shows that his impairement is not just visual (fat chance that Ukraine will one day be EU, even if UK-raine one days returns to it), but also intellectual: the gangrene has metastased in his whole skull.    ------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: nick_h_nz
Date Posted: April 10 2022 at 03:59
Actually, the takeover of Crimea was relatively bloodless - and this was probably one of the reasons why the West didn’t really react. There were very few deaths, so the “slaughtering kd many innocent citizens” wasn’t from the Crimean occupation, per se. If you follow the timeline, the slaughter began after the Crimean occupation, when it became clear that Russia was using Crimea only as a starting point, and that it wanted to take over the Donbas. There were only tens of deaths in the occupation of Crimea (and in fact several sources, including Ukrainian ones that are certainly independent of Russian influence, suggest that the death toll was less than ten!), but there have been thousands of deaths since 2014, during the Donbas conflict. It is strange that people know about the Crimean invasion in 2014, that effectively kickstarted the war in Ukraine which is ongoing to this day, but don’t know about what has been happening in the Donbas. So, no, Waters never commented on the slaughter of many innocent citizens when it came to the 2014 occupation, because it would seem credible that they never occurred. If they had, you can absolutely be assured that Waters would have had something to say about it - as he always does when there is needless loss of human life. What he did do, and what has been twisted and misconstrued, was point out why it could be claimed that Crimea might be more Russian than Ukrainian, based on history, and the arbitrary nature of not just borders in general, but the Ukrainian border concerning Crimea in particular. He also pointed out that it was not the fault of any of the Crimean peoples, but the actions of the leaders of countries outside Ukraine. Without going in to whether or not I agree with him, he pointed out that the intervention of the US in changing the government of the Ukraine probably has as much to do with Putin feeling he could “take back” Crimea, as anything else. Because of the lack of loss of life, and how (relatively speaking) easy the transition of power in Crimea was from Ukrainian to Russian, Waters could be seen to take the side of Russia, but ultimately all he did was congratulate both countries on “allowing” (even if someone one-sided and forced) Russia to occupy Ukraine. That has been overwhelmingly taken to mean he was on Russia’s side, but all he was actually saying was, thank goodness it didn’t turn into a bloodbath. Unfortunately, it did turn into a bloodbath, because of Russian ambitions to take the Donbas. And while you could say that Waters had nothing to say about this, very few people did. There was a lot of media coverage about Crimea in 2014. There has been even more coverage of the war in Ukraine this year. But in the eight years between, while the war was ongoing, very little was said by anybody. So, we have Waters NOT taking sides with Russia in 2014, and Waters NOT taking sides with Russia in 2022. There is no inconsistency, unless you choose to believe read the selected quotes from Waters, taken out of context. I think Waters is a bit of a dickhead, but I also think the demonisation of him is unfair. We need people like Waters to speak out against the atrocities and injustices in this world. We don’t need to like him, and we don’t need to agree with everything he says. But he’s nowhere near as bad as some people say. Any hypocrisy or inconsistency in what he appears to say is usually down to how he has been reported in the media, rather than what he has actually said. ------------- https://tinyurl.com/nickhnz-tpa" rel="nofollow - Reviewer for The Progressive Aspect |
Posted By: Woon Deadn
Date Posted: April 11 2022 at 04:57
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There is very little to be taken as funny in the recent events in Ukraine, but there's sure two big ironies present. As for the topic, Pink Floyd are Brits, and the song in Ukrainian was actually dedicated to the Ukrainian Sich Riflemen - the military unit of Austro-Hungarian army that, at least technically, fought AGAINST the Brits and Americans (and Russians!) in WWI. Strange enough, NO Western media dare mention that fact - they're all just saying it was a WWI song, but from which side is not said anywhere. Why? It's just an irony of history! What's the use of such self-censorship? I think, Roger Waters who lost his father in WWII where again Austria and Hungary fought AGAINST the Brits and Americans (and Russians!), wouldn't have liked the idea of being anyhow related to quite such a song, in any case... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_Sich_Riflemen" rel="nofollow - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_Sich_Riflemen The second moment of irony lies in the fact that a) the song was obviously pro-Communist, and the post-2014 Ukraine is rampantly anti-Communist, there was held a nation-wide decommunization, hundreds of the cities/streets were renamed, Communist time's signs were removed, wearing them, demonstrating them publicly is prohibited; b) the song was clearly atheist, and the overwhelming majority of Ukrainian population is traditionally, at least technically, Orthodox Christian. There's always a moment for good laugh even in such dark times, that is. ------------- Favourite Band: Gentle Giant Favourite Writer: Robert Sheckley Favourite Horror Writer: Jean Ray Favourite Computer Game: Tiny Toon - Buster's Hidden Treasure (Sega Mega Drive/Genesis) |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: April 11 2022 at 06:15
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From the other thread;:
I was wondering about this 
Could it be that Gilmour got sucked into this ??Not forgetting the amazing amounts of pogroms that took place in those Western Ukrainian and southern Polish regions parts during the second half of the XIXth C. One more proof that the Ukrainian propaganda cannot be trusted anymore than the Russian counterpart ------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: Easy Money
Date Posted: April 11 2022 at 07:19
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Re Woon: considering the amount of dead children, raped women and raped children. Cities destroyed and citizens needlessly executed. I do not see anything to laugh about. Not to mention what pooten is doing to his own people. One thing that this tragedy has enforced for me, some people have no sense of empathy. ------------- Help the victims of the russian invasion: http://www.jazzmusicarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28523&PID=130446&title=various-ways-you-can-help-ukraine#130446 |
Posted By: nick_h_nz
Date Posted: April 11 2022 at 07:22
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^ The translated lyrics have been given almost every time that the song has been promoted, so there has been nothing hidden in that regard. It also doesn’t really make a difference who the Ukrainians were fighting when it was originally sung, either. As Wood says, it is merely an amusing irony. That said, the transliteration given is surely not exact/literal, as it still rhymes in English. But I presume the meaning has not been changed, so much as some of the diction to keep it poetic. In the meadow a red viburnum has bent down low, Our Glorious Ukraine has been troubled so. And we’ll take that red viburnum and we will raise it up. And we, our Glorious Ukraine, shall - hey, hey - rise up and rejoice. The viburnum is a both a national symbol for Ukraine, and (because of its deep red colour) the blood people shed for its freedom. It may have been written about a different oppressor, and it may be that historic oppressor who is now performing the song, but it doesn’t alter the intent or meaning. ------------- https://tinyurl.com/nickhnz-tpa" rel="nofollow - Reviewer for The Progressive Aspect |
Posted By: Easy Money
Date Posted: April 11 2022 at 07:28
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^ The real irony is that someone like Woon would nitpick over lyrics in the face of such an extreme tragedy. I praise those that are reaching out to help the victims, and I send money for medical needs. Also, Roger Waters gave his reasons for not participating, and they have notheing to do with what Woon claims. ------------- Help the victims of the russian invasion: http://www.jazzmusicarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28523&PID=130446&title=various-ways-you-can-help-ukraine#130446 |
Posted By: Woon Deadn
Date Posted: April 11 2022 at 07:37
You see in my posts what you want to see, not what I wrote about. It is your sovereign right to see what you want to see. I can't deny your right to misinterpret my words. The darker the times are the more the people suffering want to find something funny in life. I indeed have a sense of empathy, but I also have a sense of an irony of history. ------------- Favourite Band: Gentle Giant Favourite Writer: Robert Sheckley Favourite Horror Writer: Jean Ray Favourite Computer Game: Tiny Toon - Buster's Hidden Treasure (Sega Mega Drive/Genesis) |
Posted By: Easy Money
Date Posted: April 11 2022 at 07:39
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Posted By: Woon Deadn
Date Posted: April 11 2022 at 07:45
The lyrics are not a secret, have never been. There is nothing anti-British, nothing hostile at all in them. You'd better read them yourself before accusing me of something. It's not the problem of lyrics, I have just noted that the times change, the initial concepts change, the former enemies become allies. I have found it ironical. That's a true irony of history. Also, I haven't said that Roger Waters thought about such sophisticated stuff when he refused to participate. Unfortunately, again, you see what you want to see. That's your personal right and responsibility. ------------- Favourite Band: Gentle Giant Favourite Writer: Robert Sheckley Favourite Horror Writer: Jean Ray Favourite Computer Game: Tiny Toon - Buster's Hidden Treasure (Sega Mega Drive/Genesis) |
Posted By: Easy Money
Date Posted: April 11 2022 at 07:48
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Posted By: Woon Deadn
Date Posted: April 11 2022 at 07:53
I do not tend to mock at anyone and said on several occasions that I am not a fan of Putin. If you pretend to know me better than I myself, that only shows your lack of respect. You think that by mutilating the people's names you sound wise, but you indeed act like a teenager. Excuse me, but I am not going to answer your posts any more, with no exceptions. You are blinded by emotions. You look and act stupid. There's nothing adult in what you have written here to me, at all.
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Posted By: Easy Money
Date Posted: April 11 2022 at 07:57
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^ I have been following your posts from the beginning of you showing up. I can bring them all back up if you want me to. I have never seen you post anything positive about those that oppose pooten, including Navalney and others, and I am not surprised my disrespecting his name bothers you, I expected that. ------------- Help the victims of the russian invasion: http://www.jazzmusicarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28523&PID=130446&title=various-ways-you-can-help-ukraine#130446 |
Posted By: Woon Deadn
Date Posted: April 11 2022 at 07:59
Yes, I didn't think that my post could be misinterpreted, for I thought that everybody had already read the translation of the lyrics into English. Anyway, there was a historical irony in the very fact of using quite that song. It looks like my explanations in English are still not perfect. ------------- Favourite Band: Gentle Giant Favourite Writer: Robert Sheckley Favourite Horror Writer: Jean Ray Favourite Computer Game: Tiny Toon - Buster's Hidden Treasure (Sega Mega Drive/Genesis) |
Posted By: Woon Deadn
Date Posted: April 11 2022 at 08:00
Sir, I must claim, you act like an idiot teenager. Fare thee 'ell! ------------- Favourite Band: Gentle Giant Favourite Writer: Robert Sheckley Favourite Horror Writer: Jean Ray Favourite Computer Game: Tiny Toon - Buster's Hidden Treasure (Sega Mega Drive/Genesis) |
Posted By: Easy Money
Date Posted: April 11 2022 at 08:03
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Posted By: Easy Money
Date Posted: April 11 2022 at 08:06
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How dare I disrespect the beloved almighty pooten. Send me to the gulag already. ------------- Help the victims of the russian invasion: http://www.jazzmusicarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28523&PID=130446&title=various-ways-you-can-help-ukraine#130446 |
Posted By: nick_h_nz
Date Posted: April 11 2022 at 10:01
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John, I completely support you in almost every post you make, but you do seem to have completely misconstrued and misinterpreted Woon’s post regarding the irony of the song. And while I don’t condone his insult, I can understand why he might have given up and resorted to it, as you rather backed him into a corner. I, too, have been following Woon’s posts from the beginning - and he has quite clearly and overtly never been a Putin supporter. He has expressed how some in Ukraine still have nostalgia for the Soviet Union, but that is not the same thing as being a Putin supporter. All Woon did was point out an amusing irony in the song being sung. It was nothing to do with the lyrics. It was not suggesting that it was a foolish choice of song for Floyd to cover. It was not suggesting it was an inappropriate choice of song for Floyd to cover. Just that there was irony. And there is. That’s pretty much inarguable. By all means, you don’t need to find it amusing, but that doesn’t mean others can’t find some light humour in it. In the midst of tragedy, people react very differently. You might find it abhorrent that anyone could find anything to laugh about, but many people find laughter to be a coping mechanism. I know you have a lot of personal investment in Ukraine, and that is great. I wish more people were as committed as you to giving their time, effort and what money they can afford, to aid Ukraine. But I do think that you’ve made the wrong assumptions about Woon in this instance. ------------- https://tinyurl.com/nickhnz-tpa" rel="nofollow - Reviewer for The Progressive Aspect |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: April 11 2022 at 10:11
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Posted By: Easy Money
Date Posted: April 11 2022 at 10:13
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Re Nick: I'm not wanting to argue with you Nick, and you are not Woon's lawyer, but I could easily dig up post after post of him denigrating pootin's opposition. The very fact that he gets angry when I type pootin is enough for me, but there is much much more buried in this forum besides that. ------------- Help the victims of the russian invasion: http://www.jazzmusicarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28523&PID=130446&title=various-ways-you-can-help-ukraine#130446 |
Posted By: nick_h_nz
Date Posted: April 11 2022 at 10:31
Fine, I won’t argue, though so I so easily could. But I do think you perhaps need to go back and read over what Woon posted. Maybe you’ll see that he is right, and that you do seem to have misinterpreted his words. You do seem to be blinded by emotion. And you do seem to be reading into what he has written things that he has not said. Even now, you are saying he was angry for you typing pootin, when that didn’t seem to case to me. I am not saying you can’t go back and dig up dirt on Woon, but regardless of what he might have said in the past, there really is nothing wrong with anything he has said here, apart from calling you childish. I like and respect you, and your posts are almost always wise and well-reasoned - but your reaction here is off the mark. Like I say, I could argue - but I respect you don’t want to, so that’s fine. We will just have to agree to disagree here. I know I am like Woon though, and in the depth’s of despair and in my darkest hours, and at what must seem like the most inappropriate times to people who don’t know me, I seek humour, and I laugh. I’m as likely to laugh at a funeral as I am to cry. That’s just how some people are. You clearly are not. But not everyone is like you. Honestly, I’m with Woon on this one. I definitely haven’t agreed with everything he has written, but I don’t think he’s said anything wrong here - at least, not until you tried to take him down for something he never even said. ------------- https://tinyurl.com/nickhnz-tpa" rel="nofollow - Reviewer for The Progressive Aspect |
Posted By: Easy Money
Date Posted: April 11 2022 at 10:43
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I don't feel good talking about another person on the site, I would rather talk directly to that person, but quite frankly you missed a lot in that conversation, there was so much more than just me not thinking the first post was funny, so much more. For example: Here is Woon's quote about me typing 'pooten': "You think that by mutilating the people's names you sound wise, but you indeed act like a teenager." And there was a lot more, you have a good day Nick, but you do not understand me or the exchange I just had, but generally, you're a good guy. Peace. ------------- Help the victims of the russian invasion: http://www.jazzmusicarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28523&PID=130446&title=various-ways-you-can-help-ukraine#130446 |
Posted By: nick_h_nz
Date Posted: April 11 2022 at 11:12
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Yeah, but he has a point. It does look ridiculous typing pootin for Putin. It is something a teenager would do. I can’t stand Putin. I think he is a first class arsehole that needs to be stopped by any means, and if he were assassinated, I would not be upset. But what does calling him pootin achieve? Given how eloquent you can be, you belittle yourself when you lower yourself to such juvenile spelling of Putin. I understand why you do it, but it’s not something I would choose to do. ------------- https://tinyurl.com/nickhnz-tpa" rel="nofollow - Reviewer for The Progressive Aspect |
Posted By: Easy Money
Date Posted: April 11 2022 at 11:19
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pootin, its a keeper. ------------- Help the victims of the russian invasion: http://www.jazzmusicarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28523&PID=130446&title=various-ways-you-can-help-ukraine#130446 |
Posted By: nick_h_nz
Date Posted: April 11 2022 at 11:26
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I figured! It’s apt, and descriptive, There are more than a few dog poo bins around these parts that have been relabelled Putin - which is, basically I guess, the obverse of what you have done. I think there is humour in it, albeit somewhat juvenile, I wouldn’t have reacted to it the way Woom did, but then he didn’t react that way until you had already had a go at him - so if I were feeling defensive, maybe I might have reacted just as he did. When one feels one is being attacked, sometimes, even though it’s not the wisest thing to do (Will Smith), one goes on the offensive…. Two wrongs don’t make a right, and I don’t think either you or Woon did yourselves any favours. I’m just sitting here on the sideline, seeing both of your points of view (and largely agreeing with most of what you have both posted in the last). If we go back to irony, the irony here is that more often than you might realise, you and Woon have been in agreement. Obviously there have been some quite major point of difference. But I don’t for a moment think that Woon is the Putin supporter/fan/apologist you do. ------------- https://tinyurl.com/nickhnz-tpa" rel="nofollow - Reviewer for The Progressive Aspect |
Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: April 11 2022 at 17:36
The U.S. anthem "The Star Spangled Banner" is about the British naval bombardment of Fort McHenry in Baltimore, Maryland during the War of 1812. The anthem hasn't stopped the British and Americans from being allies for over 100 years. Next stupid analogy that is completely out of context to current politics. Oh wait, here it is now....
What is more important is that the song is also absolutely anti-Vlad the Impaler. Putin has no place in a civilized world. The song is about brotherhood and peace across imaginary borders Imagine there's no countries It isn't hard to do Nothing to kill or die for And no Russian Poot. ------------- ...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology... |
Posted By: nick_h_nz
Date Posted: April 12 2022 at 01:33
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I find this really interesting to watch from the sidelines, as it is obvious that (as is always the case with highly emotive issues - and I guess there’s not much more that is highly emotive than war and genocide) people are reading more into things than is there. Woon has not said that Pink Floyd’s song, or “Imagine” is inappropriate or wrong. He has merely pointed out irony. To deny the irony is silly in my opinion. It’s there. It’s undeniable. I might add an additional level of irony, as what Lennon sings is what Waters preaches - and is so often lambasted for. A desire for no countries, and brotherhood and peace across imaginary borders. The problem is, obviously, that as arbitrary and as imaginary as they might be, they are being fought over right now. And those that seek peace and negotiation, and pragmatic and expedient solutions to this war, like Lorenzo on this forum, or Waters off it, are heavily criticised for their idealism and pacifism. Yet Lennon gets a free pass? Interesting…. ------------- https://tinyurl.com/nickhnz-tpa" rel="nofollow - Reviewer for The Progressive Aspect |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: April 12 2022 at 02:49
Admittedly Woon is not helping himself being popular on this board. At least I admit being wrongly-lead by Wlado's pre-war reactions, and I call him an arsehole since he actually started his invasion. This said, the word "irony" is maybe not the best word to be used in such a dramatic run of events.
Yessss, but he died for his idealism (we're still trying to figure out how the CIA/NATO is involved into THAT   )Once Roger gets shot (NATO, Trump, Zelenski or Putin??) he'll get the sale Lennon-like recognition. ... ------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: nick_h_nz
Date Posted: April 12 2022 at 03:19
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Well, I think irony is probably the most accurate word, even if not the best. Yes, it was probably not the wisest thing to do, to state the irony here, and it certainly didn't help Woon gain any popularity. It's definitely a question of knowing your audience, and this was not the place to point out the irony (no matter how valid or true that irony might be). I don't think Woon had any malicious intent, but it was almost inevitable that he would be jumped upon. I think a lot of us, including Woon, misjudged just how far Putin would go. But calling him an arsehole, and spieling his name pootin are two very different things. If John had just called Putin an arsehole, I don't think Woon would have had any argument. I don't think Woon was wise to point out that calling Putin pootin was a little juvenile - because even if that is how it appears to me, too, it was never going to win John around! He is a poo tin, and the pun is humorous, but as John himself showed, humour is not universally accepted in times of great tragedy and crisis. (There was irony there, too, as Woon was trying to find some humour in a humourless situation, and John rounded on him for doing so, while himself deliberately mis-spelling Putin in a humorous way.) Basically, I think most people here are on the same page, but being in different parts of the world, speaking different languages, and being closer or further from the actual war and genocide (metaphorically and literally), it is too easy to see things that weren't there. A lot of the offence has been taken rather than given, and a lot of the misconceptions are due to inference rather than implication. I like both John and Woon, and from what I have seen from both, neither are fans of Putin, and neither agree with the war and genocide. In between, things have been muddled, and messages have been mixed, and the two are probably now the twain who shall never meet. Such is life.... ------------- https://tinyurl.com/nickhnz-tpa" rel="nofollow - Reviewer for The Progressive Aspect |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: April 12 2022 at 03:45
We also have to see that our occidental indignation/outrage is not shared global-wise. Africans and Latinos and Arabs don't quite see it with a good eye. For many around the world, once again "Europe" is once again trying to impose its own morality across the planet. You'd be well surprised to see which country voted what about retrieving Russia's UN "permanent vetoer" status. Yeah, sure: 50% of the states voted yes, but the rest either voted against the resolution (15%), abstained (30%) or did not vote at all (10% - for whatever reason, but a lot of them are would've voted no, seeing who didn't vote). Although a lot of the "positive votes" were more or less expected, there was a few surprises in the voting too. And in terms of global population, that would be 65% did not vote for expelling Russia out f the UN (of course China & India representing a vast amount of that stat). ....
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Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: April 12 2022 at 15:44
Then his attitude towards sanctions is at least ambivalent, given his involvements in the BDS movement against Israel, which earned him a ranking in a https://www.wiesenthal.com/assets/pdf/2013-top-ten-anti-semitic.pdf" rel="nofollow - top 10 that has nothing to do with prog. -------------
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Posted By: nick_h_nz
Date Posted: April 13 2022 at 01:30
Waters is anti-Zion, not anti-Semite. The two are often conflated. There are many Jews around the world who take the same stance as Waters. Being Jewish, and not agreeing with Israel’s occupation of Palestine, are not mutually exclusive. If the pig had featured only the Star of David, and nothing else, then that would have been hard to argue as anything other than anti-Semite - but it was one of a LOT of different images on the pig, and that it was a pig was in a way accidental/incidental. If it had been a sheep or a dog, rather than a pig, which was the original inflatable, then that is what the Star of David would have been on. It was associating the Star of David with pigs only if that is what one wanted to believe. That said, it was perhaps foolish of Waters not to consider that it could be taken that way, but he is the kind of stubborn person who would probably stick to his guns and think that if that’s not what he meant, then it’s not his fault some people take it that way. Waters is a dick. He says and does some stupid things. But I don’t believe he is any more anti-Semite than Jeremy Corbyn, or any other person crucified by the media for their stance against Israel - which, once again, is not at all the same as being anti-Semite, and is a view held by many Jews around the world, too. ------------- https://tinyurl.com/nickhnz-tpa" rel="nofollow - Reviewer for The Progressive Aspect |