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Poll Question: What music genre is the antipole of our beloved prog ?
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1 [1.27%]
27 [34.18%]
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7 [8.86%]
1 [1.27%]
2 [2.53%]
1 [1.27%]
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[W]hen the Sex Pistols members Johnny Rotten, Paul Cook and Steve Jones at some point all shared on stage in a Pink Floyd T-shirt with the words ”I HATE” on top he immediately turned Pink Floyd to a love-to-hate example among not only the working class sub cultures like Punk but also among many ”established” intellectuals and music critics.

Suddenly it became haute couture to like Punk and to dislike sophisticated and talented, really talented, bands in general and Pink Floyd in particular. As critic Stuart Berman had written; ”Pink Floyd represented everything Punk was not: musically skilled, conceptually ambitious, filthy rich, tastefully bearded.”

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote David_D Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 19 2022 at 07:36

certainly not Punk, not today, and Punk are different styles with some close to Progressive Rock
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote nick_h_nz Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 19 2022 at 07:44
Yeah, punk was never prog's foe - not even in the '70s. That was a complete media fabrication, that didn't really match the reality at all. It made a good story, though.

There are definite cross-overs between punk and prog, and have been from the off-set. And there was certainly a mutual respect and admiration between many punk and prog musicians in the '70s.  (Not all, obviously, and it was the detractors the media pounced upon. It's easy, for example, to make fun of Yes.)

As punk became post-punk, it became even more prog than some of it already had been. And while punk exists still, it tends to be vastly different from punk then - simply because, especially in the UK, punk was as much a culture as it was a genre. A lot of early American punk was actually pretty much the equivalent of prog music of the US (as discussed in the American prog thread).

I don't think it's really possible for any genre to be a foe to prog, simply because prog isn't a genre in itself, and can exist within any genre. I am quite sure one could find examples of prog in every "genre" given in the poll.

I think the biggest foe to prog is probably actually prog itself - it is its own worst enemy. Or, at least, the gatekeeping and infighting of its fans are its enemy. Potentially, some might say that the rise of retro-prog is the foe of prog. I don't think that's necessarily so, as there can still be some really innovative and original sounds made under that label - but certainly a lot of retro-prog does nothing to help the image of prog in the eyes of those who don't know much about it.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote David_D Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 21 2022 at 03:08

Blues is obvious, as mainstream Rock is Blues-based while Progressive Rock is progression of mainstream.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote Guldbamsen Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 21 2022 at 03:24
‘What genre is the antipole of prog?’
Probably schlager.

The punk and disco options are ridiculous imho and only really make sense to peeps that believe ‘the press’ is informed and furthermore leaks said info along to us without colouring it in a certain way.
The Sex Pistols, whilst not exactly the biggest Floyd fans, were very much into Van Der Graaf Generator and a whole host of other prog bands

Edith: here in Denmark though Schlager is called Dansktop…but it’s the same stuff.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote David_D Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 21 2022 at 09:40
Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:


Edith: here in Denmark though Schlager is called Dansktop…but it’s the same stuff.

So, you're from Denmark, too, Guldbamsen: hej!, and I've been curious about your moniker, and have been thinking about to ask of it. Smile
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Guldbamsen Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 22 2022 at 10:26
Yup about as Danish as they come!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote tigerfeet Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 22 2022 at 10:49
I agree with a couple of posters here that prog can be prog's worst enemy rather than another genre since prog often uses or combines other genres in some way. so yes, prog can be progs worst foe. 


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