A No Fly Zone by the NATO countries? Yes or No.

A No Fly Zone over Ukraine? Discuss.

JD wrote: There shouldn't be anything TO discuss. Enforcing a no-fly zone means shooting down Russian aircraft and that means starting a direct conflict with NATO nations. Don't get wrong here. I think it's what Russia deserves, to be blown out of the sky for this abomination. But I just can't see it ending well for the rest of Europe once the first MIG was toasted.

Lewian wrote: JD wrote: There shouldn't be anything TO discuss. Enforcing a no-fly zone means shooting down Russian aircraft and that means starting a direct conflict with NATO nations. Don't get wrong here. I think it's what Russia deserves, to be blown out of the sky for this abomination. But I just can't see it ending well for the rest of Europe once the first MIG was toasted. This.

Yea does not take a 2nd grade education to understand what would happen. Although, if a ban is put in place all that might happen is the violations would be brought up to NATO and UN as further reasons to cut off Russia from the rest of the world.

Edited by omphaloskepsis - March 06 2022 at 01:50

Voted "No" because a no fly zone risks escalation that could be very hard to control

However, this is what we must do IMO:

If Putin attacks a NATO member then there must be no backing off, even if Putin starts waving his nukes around. If we back off then the West is finished.

We need to get Sweden and Finland into NATO as soon as possible

We need to protect Moldova now. Lukashenko gave the game away that the original plan was for Russian tanks to keep rolling into Moldova and Putin would still like to do it

We need to supply Ukraine with the weapons it needs. Germany sending obsolete Soviet era weapons, many of which don't even work, is an embarrassment

Finally, if we won't enforce a no fly zone, then we need to train Ukrainian pilots (lots of them) and provide the aircraft so that Ukraine can defend its own skies

World War is easily preventable, so  A f**k NO.

Sean Trane wrote: I don't see how competent NATO could be about Ukrainian skies., whether civil/commercial or military flights, especially if they refuse to intervene after flexing its muscle andbluffing at the poker game and losing face towards its opponent. I think the plane shot down over the Donbass some 6 years ago would have most commervial airlines avoiding Ukraine and the whole area for a while? After all, it only took a cheap Dutch (there is a neoplasm) airline trying to save up fuel/money flying over a war zone to teach a good lesson to everyone

Why this thread? The no-fly zone has been in place even before the hostilities began : according to a few expert and highly knowledgeable commentators/critical thinkers on the current "war" or "special operation" on this site, the bellicose, warmongering and brutal NATO is the cause of this catastrophe , as its really NATO"s super stealth (read totally invisible, like in Hollywood movies) air forces which are attacking the brave Russian liberators with callous disregard for collateral damages! NATO, according to the same sources, is not a defensive, legal alliance but the real belligerents here, the ones who started all this mess. (coughs loudly) . Putin is showing remarkable restraint in "denazifying and stabilizing" Ukraine (aka the Real Russia), knowing full well, who the real aggressor organization is.