There shouldn't be anything TO discuss. Enforcing a no-fly zone means shooting down Russian aircraft and that means starting a direct conflict with NATO nations.

Don't get wrong here. I think it's what Russia deserves, to be blown out of the sky for this abomination. But I just can't see it ending well for the rest of Europe once the first MIG was toasted.

And numbnuts Lindsay Graham is a total tool for saying out loud what we all thought, someone needs to feed Vlad a hot lead sandwich. Inside voice Lindsay, inside voice.

This.

So someone votes YES and then leaves no comments on why they feel that way?

Pussy !

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Ok, maybe a little harsh on the afterthought, but at the very least...Explain your rational and what you see as the consequences of such an act.

Yeah. As much as I would like to establish a no fly zone, that basically means shooting down russian planes and that basically means a full on WWIII. It does suck for the Ukraine, and I completely understand why they would want us to enforce one but... 

Every country with nukes would have to press the launch button at the same time to annihilate Russia with no chance for them to retaliate....ain't gonna happen 

Russians are good at chess. 

^ This feels more like poker.

Right now?  No.

If you institute a "no fly zone", than somebody has to enforce the no-fly zone. NATO and America would have to shoot down any aircraft from the ground or with aircraft of their own.  That would immediately start war between NATO and Russia.  After the rest of the treaties kick in, you'd have a World War on your hands. 

I don't see how competent NATO could be about Ukrainian skies., whether civil/commercial or military flights, especially if they refuse to intervene after flexing its muscle andbluffing at the poker game and losing face towards its opponent.

I think the plane shot down over the Donbass some 6 years ago would have most commervial airlines avoiding Ukraine and the whole area for a while? After all, it only took a cheap Dutch (there is a neoplasm) airline trying to save up fuel/money flying over a war zone to teach a good lesson to everyone

On the other hand, it has already been risky to fly over Ukraine since 2014 (the MH17 disaster). 

I really don't know... Morally, I would say "yes", because it is hard to abandon the Ukrainians to this aggression. Politically and strategically, I would say "no", because it would probably trigger a 3rd World War, which we will eventually get to anyway if Putin isn't stopped. Putin should be eliminated, at least politically, maybe physically. The best to do this are the Russians themselves.

I tend to favour moral considerations, but in this case it might cause many more innocent deaths with a moron like Putin on the opposite side, already putting nuclear option into play...

I believe it was a Malaysia Airlines plane , flight 17 in 2014 

Looks like they are creating their own No Fly Zone.

I really do not have a clear opinion on this.

I'm worried about the "global economy" and how it affects everyone all over! That part scares me more than anything!

stalemate is what it looks like now... yes.. in affect a No Fly Zone lol

I saw there was a report this morning the Ukrainians blew several Russian bombers out of the air attempting to bomb a city west of Kjiv

ehhh...  it would be great Pedro if our pocketbooks were the greatest of our worries...  there is intelligence out there reportedly has been issued to Nato capitals that the Russians are prepared to use nukes within Ukraine.. tactical most likely to break resistance before Kjiv and Kharkiv where the Russians forces have been fought to a standstill.  Adding 2 and 2 together in hand there have been vague warnings emanating about the worst yet to come I think gas prices are the least of concerns...

Ah yes, it was flying from or to Schiphol (A'dam), so the Dutch are not innocent , but they paid a real heavy price since most of the passengers were dutch

anyways it was idiotic to fly over a war zone.

Look what sanctions have done to north Korea and Cuba, done effectively it will create a dismal country and economy, not over night but slowly and painfully. Here's the problem, Russia's natural resources are massive!! Not just on the oil side but also land/forestry base, massive...so there will be many countries that continue to do business with Putin and Russia. But what needs to happen is countries like 'Merica need to 100% stop buying his oil and other products, but our asleep President will not follow thru with that and create an eternal mandate of never doing business with Russia.

Countries do business with the US, Canada, European regions because we pay our bills, this will force Putin to do business with countries that don't have the financial power to pay their bills, he would have to extend credit like no other and simply hold a huge receivable balance and his cash flow would be severely affected....As well most of these countries would probably default on payments, he would literally have to finance his own sales to these countries.

The value of money has increased so much in the world over the past 50 yrs that war is not a viable process anymore, not a good business decision. Hitting any country in the wallet is the way to gain control or make them stop doing something, Putin is not going risk his wealth.

Some people here are not all that worried, until we reach 'Million(s)" of deaths  because NATO was and is the aggressor . 

Especially in lieu of the fact that, according to the real experts here, NATO is the warmongering aggressor, brutally aiming nuclear missiles at Russia (?) , who must defend itself against Nazi Ukraine as well as the fascist Europeans. (cough)  

I agree. Nothing we say here is going to change the world, so Let's Change the World with music. 

Prefer this one

Hi,

Agreed. Although I think that sooner or later things will crack somewhere, sadly it looks like a lot of Ukraine will be intentionally destroyed to make things difficult for the country if it manages to survive, which I think it can with all the International help ... but in the end, the Russian invasion is out of line, and probably an excuse to get somewhere where supposedly there is gold. I imagine that having more access to the water is what Putin wants, so he can gain from it. ....