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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

^ It'd be nice to have a proper conversation with you, Cristi,  instead of you re-posting nonsensical stickmen. Wink

What on earth is it supposed to represent anyway? Wacko

By the way, I just realised I forgot to include Progressive Metal legend Christopher Lee in my listings. Embarrassed

Nice to have a proper conversation you say? but you ignore me completely, so your sentence here is disingenuous. 

And here is another proof of you trolling - you have been told REPEATEDLY that Christopher Lee did not play progressive metal, not just by me, but by several people. What Christopher Lee played with metal artists  can be called European power metal or epic heavy metal. 
Well, I'm afraid Christopher Lee is here to stay now and the only way you can ward him off is to wear cloves of garlic around your neck, allegedly. Tongue
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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

^ It'd be nice to have a proper conversation with you, Cristi,  instead of you re-posting nonsensical stickmen. Wink

What on earth is it supposed to represent anyway? Wacko

By the way, I just realised I forgot to include Progressive Metal legend Christopher Lee in my listings. Embarrassed

Nice to have a proper conversation you say? but you ignore me completely, so your sentence here is disingenuous. 

And here is another proof of you trolling - you have been told REPEATEDLY that Christopher Lee did not play progressive metal, not just by me, but by several people. What Christopher Lee played with metal artists  can be called European power metal or epic heavy metal. 
Well, I'm afraid Christopher Lee is here to stay now and the only way you can ward him off is to wear cloves of garlic around your neck, allegedly. Tongue

Let me repeat:

Nice to have a proper conversation you say? but you ignore me completely, so your sentence here is dishonest. 
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^ By the sword and the cross, I beseech ye! If you look over yonder at Discogs, you'll see that Christopher Lee is listed as Neo-Classical Symphonic Metal. I rest my case. Tongue

https://www.discogs.com/master/574126-Christopher-Lee-Charlemagne-The-Omens-Of-Death
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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

^ By the sword and the cross, I beseech ye! If you look over yonder at Discogs, you'll see that Christopher Lee is listed as Neo-Classical Symphonic Metal. I rest my case. Tongue

https://www.discogs.com/master/574126-Christopher-Lee-Charlemagne-The-Omens-Of-Death

By God almighty and all His mercy, can you stop the trolling. One post you say Lee is a prog metal legend, next post you say he play symphonic metal. It's not lack of consistency, but trolling or possibly worse - ignorance. 

I don't know what's neo-classical about it, neo-classical power metal is usually Yngwie Malmsteen influenced shredding, which I did not hear in the songs from Lee's band. 

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^ Christopher Lee:- "What I sing is Symphonic Metal" - Case closed. Wink
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^ you don't know the difference between the genres mentioned in this thread, so why are you even arguing now? 🤦‍♂️
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

^ By the sword and the cross, I beseech ye! If you look over yonder at Discogs, you'll see that Christopher Lee is listed as Neo-Classical Symphonic Metal. I rest my case. Tongue

https://www.discogs.com/master/574126-Christopher-Lee-Charlemagne-The-Omens-Of-Death

I don't know what's neo-classical about it, neo-classical power metal is usually Yngwie Malmsteen influenced shredding, which I did not hear in the songs from Lee's band. 

Yngwie Malmsteen? I wonder how his parents came up with the name "Yngwie". Did they pick Scrabble letters out of a bag at random? Tongue
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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

^ By the sword and the cross, I beseech ye! If you look over yonder at Discogs, you'll see that Christopher Lee is listed as Neo-Classical Symphonic Metal. I rest my case. Tongue

https://www.discogs.com/master/574126-Christopher-Lee-Charlemagne-The-Omens-Of-Death

I don't know what's neo-classical about it, neo-classical power metal is usually Yngwie Malmsteen influenced shredding, which I did not hear in the songs from Lee's band. 

Yngwie Malmsteen? I wonder how his parents came up with the name "Yngwie". Did they pick Scrabble letters out of a bag at random? Tongue

again, disrespectful and TBH narrow-minded. Yngwie is Swedish born. If only google was your friend, but I guess it's not. 
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A question for you, Cristi and Archisorcerus, or anyone else, is Metal usually
considered to be a part of the Rock genre?
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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:


A question for you, Cristi and Archisorcerus, or anyone else, is Metal usually
considered to be a part of the Rock genre?

I can't believe you asked that. 
Yes, it's part of the rock genre, but took a life of its own, throughout the years becoming quite diverse, now metal subgenres have their own subgenres. LOL
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David, metal can be regarded as a part of the rock genre, the deplorable b*****d child of the rock, or a genre that was evolved from rock, by various people. It took its roots from rock, for sure. I tend to see it separate, though. 
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Some Heavy Metal sub-genres:-

Alternative Metal
Black Metal
Death Metal
Folk Metal
Funk Metal
Glam Metal
Gothic Metal 
Heavy Metal
Industrial Metal
Instrumental Metal
Neo-Classical Metal
Power Metal/Speed Metal
Progressive Metal
Symphonic Metal
Tech/Extreme Metal
Thrash Metal

They're all the Metal sub-genres I know of, but there may be more. Wink


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A-Z of Symphonic Metal (fully updated with 100+ artists & 500+ albums)


                  2000: Edenbridge - Sunrise in Eden
                  2001: Edenbridge - Arcana
                  2003: Edenbridge - Aphelion
                  2004: Edenbridge - Shine
                  2006: Edenbridge - The Grand Design
                  2008: Edenbridge - My Earth Dream
                  2010: Edenbridge - Solitaire
                  2013: Edenbridge - The Bonding
                  2017: Edenbridge - The Great Momentum
                  2019: Edenbridge - Dynamind

                  2003: Epica: The Phantom Agony - 
                  2005: Epica - Consign to Oblivion - 
                  2007: Epica - The Divine Conspiracy
                  2009: Epica - Design Your Universe
                  2012: Epica - Requiem for the Indifferent
                  2014: Epica - The Quantum Enigma
                  2016: Epica - The Holographic Principle
                  2021: Epica - Omega

                  2009: Epochate - Chronicles of a Dying Era

                  2003: Evanescence - Fallen
                  2006: Evanescence - The Open Door
                  2011: Evanescence - Evanescence
                  2017: Evanescence - Synthesis
                  2021: Evanescence - The Bitter Truth

                  2017: Exit Eden - Rhapsodies in Black

                  2007: Eyes of Eden - Faith


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Mr. Copy-Paste Paul, you must be so proud of your trolling.

The 2022 Evergrey album is to be released in  late May. LOL

I can't even get mad at all this nonsense anymore. LOL


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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

... now metal subgenres have their own subgenres. 
Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Some Heavy Metal sub-genres:-

I know most of the Metal subgenres, my question was not about that. Smile

Cristi, your reply seems somehow dubious to me, or do you mean that Metal subgenres shall be considered as Rock's sub-subgenres? 
And is it your own point of view or what you find to be the usual one?

Paul, I can tell you - even you might already know - that I consider Heavy Metal to be one of the Metal subgenres.

Thanks, for your reply as well, Archisorcerus .     



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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

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Cristi, your reply seems somehow dubious to me, or do you mean that Metal subgenres 
are Rock's sub-subgenres.


No, I mean metal subgenres have their own subgenres

Let's take doom metal, which in the last couple of decades has developed quite a bit. 

Traditional doom or epic doom - it's the clasic doom sound that Black Sabbath created and inspired.

Death-doom and melodic death doom - doom metal, with death metal vocals, some bands have female vocals and growls, best example the band Draconian. 

Gothic-doom - like Paradise Lost

Stoner and sludge - very hit and miss, especially sludge, but they are doom subgenres.
Drone - a doom subgenre, not my thing though. 
Funeral Doom - really slow yet atmospheric doom, with deep growls. 

I can name other genres if you want me to. 

Or just go to a site like metal storm, they tag genres and subgenres really well. 


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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Cristi, your reply seems somehow dubious to me, or do you mean that Metal subgenres 
are Rock's sub-subgenres.
No, I mean metal subgenres have their own subgenres

So you say, Metal is a part of Rock, but Metal subgenres are not?

And are you talking about your own point of view, or what you find to be the most usual one? 


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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Cristi, your reply seems somehow dubious to me, or do you mean that Metal subgenres 
are Rock's sub-subgenres.
No, I mean metal subgenres have their own subgenres

So you say, Metal is a part of Rock, but Metal subgenres are not?

And are you talking about your own point of view, or what you find to be the most usual one? 

how did you get that metal subgenres are not part of rock? Confused
I don't come up with my own genres and subgenres, it's common knowledge, everyone who is into metal should know (and knows) these things.
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Mr. Copy-Paste Paul, you must be so proud of your trolling.

The 2022 Evergrey album is to be released in  late May. LOL

I can't even get mad at all this nonsense anymore. LOL
I haven't copied and pasted anything. I typed it all out by hand. Big smile
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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

... now metal subgenres have their own subgenres. 
Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Some Heavy Metal sub-genres:-

I know most of the Metal subgenres, my question was not about that. Smile

Cristi, your reply seems somehow dubious to me, or do you mean that Metal subgenres shall be considered as Rock's sub-subgenres? 
And is it your own point of view or what you find to be the usual one?

Paul, I can tell you - even you might already know - that I consider Heavy Metal to be one of the Metal subgenres.

Thanks, for your reply as well, Archisorcerus .     

Yes, even Heavy Metal itself is a sub-genre of Heavy Metal, bizarre as it may seem. Tongue

David, I feel like we're intruding on Cristi's specialist subject here, as  whatever we say about Heavy Metal, we're going to get criticised for it. Smile


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