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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote fraanco3 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 27 2022 at 15:02
Originally posted by Manuel Manuel wrote:

[QUOTE=BrufordFreak][QUOTE=Manuel]Martin Barre. An underrated orchestrator, who can go from blues to rock, classic, jazz, etc.

Sadly, this is an artist that is brought up frequently that I do not appreciate well enough. If it weren't so much for the fact that I find Jethro Tull music so irritating, I might explore more. Do you have any suggestions of his play outside of Tull?


If you find Tull's music irritating, then you won't like Martin Barre, because he is prominent in every Tull album from 1970-2011.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Logan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 27 2022 at 15:28
I think that William D. Drake would be a good choice. He is an accomplished songwriter and musician with competent solo albums and has been involved in various projects where he wasn't the lead or "main" composer. He seems affable and is experienced but still youthful and healthy to my knowledge.

For his group name, I rather like The Fishmongers ("We fish bring").
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Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

I've thought about this over many years, and my main "cornerstone" prog musician would have to be John Wetton! 

The guy could do it all...from glam (Roxy Music) to Genesis covers (his amazing work with Steve Hackett) and everything in between!!  

Having seen him with LTIA era KC, Asia, and UK, I was always impressed at his talent for singing his heart out while playing complicated, fast lines on bass guitar!  

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Clap After I originally posted my choice (Emerson) I went away and thought about it and then came up with John Wetton as another great choice. Such a fantastic bass player but also one of the great English baritone's voices in rock music. 
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 if there was ONE PERSON, that would fit this thread, it would be EDGAR FROESE, specially as he commandeered so many versions of the band, and it seemed like it always got better, when you watch the videos of so many of their shows. Not to mention that the music itself is incredible.

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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:


 if there was ONE PERSON, that would fit this thread, it would be EDGAR FROESE, specially as he commandeered so many versions of the band, and it seemed like it always got better, when you watch the videos of so many of their shows. Not to mention that the music itself is incredible.

I like this choice as well for sure Thumbs Up

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One funny bit ... sort of. When David Bowie was in Berlin, he wanted BADLY to have Edgar play guitar on one song or two, but DB was having problems finding his "voice" in the song according to the producer, and eventually EF left and told DB that this was his music and he could not add a whole lot to it, and make it better. AND, I think that Edgar did not like the idea of a "song" limiting his ability to fly, and I think this is the part that DB underestimated, although it did not seem to bother Mr. Fripp in one song when he pretty much solo'd all the way through it ... Heroes. And I bet that DB requested that, to help him define the piece of music.

David Bowie might be another good choice for the "supergosh" idea!
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I’d probably have to go with Dave Kerman from 5UU’s. He’s a totally phenomenal, but underrated, drummer and composer. Another go-to would be Gavin Harrison, arguably one of the greatest drummers ever. Lastly, Steven Wilson … the guy is amazing.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote richardh Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 31 2022 at 03:32
^ Have to admit that's a name I haven't come across before.

If we are going down the drummer being the cornerstone of the band and also being able to supply creativity then Neil Peart is so far out in front its ridiculous. More the question is , why on earth wouldn't you want this guy?! 
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One issue I’d have with adopting Peart as the cornerstone of my band now is that he died. My choice would me more lively. I thought about someone who I thought would work well now for the kind of music I like. In terms of creativity when it comes to drummers, Christian Vander comes to mind (though I would rather go for someone a little younger for longevity). I think it would be very hard to convince me that Pearl has supplied more creativity than all the other drummers. He wouldn’t have been my choice as a dream go-to but to each their own. I don’t think he’s the most creative or versatile, and am not that big on Rush.

I like Dave Kerman too. Tatsuya Yoshida and Chris Cutler have been a couple other of my favourite drummers and creative talents that work as cornerstone.

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Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:


I like Dave Kerman too. Tatsuya Yoshida and Chris Cutler have been a couple other of my favourite drummers and creative talents that work as cornerstone.

Those 3 for me too, and they've all be involved in a number of different bands and have run at least one, Yoshida has been involved in a ridiculous amount of creative bands.


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Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:


I like Dave Kerman too. Tatsuya Yoshida and Chris Cutler have been a couple other of my favourite drummers and creative talents that work as cornerstone.


Those 3 for me too, and they've all be involved in a number of different bands and have run at least one, Yoshida has been involved in a ridiculous amount of creative bands.



All three are creative, show versatility, have been involved in different projects and are accomplished musicians.   Tatsuya Yoshida has been an incredibly busy musician, and very creative projects. What energy on the kit and all of those projects. With Peart, I’m not aware of him doing much outside of Rush and I don’t know that he been really pushing the envelope throughout his career. I’m not knocking him, just sometimes surprised at the pedestal he is often put on both as a drummer and as a creative talent generally — seen many people who present the attitude that he is obviously the best despite their ignorance when it comes to a great many others, so contrarians respond that Peart is particularly overrated.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote BrufordFreak Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 31 2022 at 06:31
Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

One issue I’d have with adopting Peart as the cornerstone of my band now is that he died. My choice would me more lively. I thought about someone who I thought would work well now for the kind of music I like. In terms of creativity when it comes to drummers, Christian Vander comes to mind (though I would rather go for someone a little younger for longevity). I think it would be very hard to convince me that Pearl has supplied more creativity than all the other drummers. He wouldn’t have been my choice as a dream go-to but to each their own. I don’t think he’s the most creative or versatile, and am not that big on Rush.

When originally thinking up the premises for this post, I really had in mind the artist in his/her prime--so I guess this would be a Prog-in-Heaven kind of Supergroup. (But then, in heaven, who knows, maybe Keith Emerson would chum up with Franz Liszt or Wolfy Mozart? Maybe Fripp would hang with Bach and Telemann. Maybe Eno and Czukay would become pals with Picasso, Cocteau and Satie. Maybe Liebezeit would become a Tibetan monk. etc., etc.)



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^ It’s not even so far-fetched that we one need accept some supernatural, unearthly heaven. Celebrities, including musicians are being resurrected digitally using holographic technology and other things. One could create a digital supergroup. “Ooh heaven is a place on earth”. Maybe like in a Black Mirror universe, dead and not dead musicians digital copies will be interacting and performing on servers.
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Mike Keneally. He can do it all, and he’s probably the friendliest “name” musician I’ve ever met.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Cinema Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 31 2022 at 07:56
I have to admit, I've never been much of a Peart fan. He was a great drummer and lyricist, but I never found his playing particularly interesting, at least not to my ear. But that's just me.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Progmind Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 31 2022 at 08:24
My cornerstone player would be Paul Mc Cartney because: 
 - he can get along with anybody
 - he can play any kind of music, His work with the Beatles and solo can prove that 
 - he works well in the studio or live on stage, 
 - he has a great, fun-loving, personality, that does not get caught up in interpersonal squabbles,
 - he is a virtuoso musician (not just bass player) 
 - he is all business yet very adaptable to any recording, creative, touring conditions,
 - is tireless, has boundless energy
 - LOVES music!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote axeman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 01 2022 at 14:44
If he would do it, I'd love to see a collaboration between Steven Wilson, with Steve Hackett as co-composer. 

Hackett can do compositions, including orchestra, so you have a complete range there. 
Plus, a great album is going to need a first-rate producer. Wilson has been remastering the greats, with much approval, so he's my idea of a producer for whatever project. 


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Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

One issue I’d have with adopting Peart as the cornerstone of my band now is that he died. My choice would me more lively. .

I could do the rolling eyes thing but hey ho LOL
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Logan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 02 2022 at 05:05
^ Rather than dead funny, sorry that that comes across as a tasteless and bad dad joke. It's true that I only thought about living people for this exercise when I saw the topic, rather than a dream option or holographically/ virtually resurrected option.
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Originally posted by HolyMoly HolyMoly wrote:

Mike Keneally. He can do it all, and he’s probably the friendliest “name” musician I’ve ever met.

Another great one flying under the radar! Like Steve Unruh!

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