Nature and Organisation for Prog Folk

Thanks Ian and Mike for the heads up - Eclectic makes more and more sense to me. I haven't seen N&O pop up on the Progfreak PSIKE charts yet, but I really doubt they'll stand a chance there - they aren't psychedelic or krautrock, and their forays into PE (via the early industrial experiments and the more sleekly-produced modern post-rock stuff) will be too weak to convince the electronic team to accept them. I still believe their destiny lies in Eclectic or Prog Folk.

I've pinged eclectic to have a look as it doesn't seem to have been discussed there

I don't know honestly.  His title still links him to those subgenre groups.

To me based on Beauty Reaps the Blood of Solitude, and with Current 93 included in Prog Folk, Prog Folk would be the obvious place for this Neofolk post-industrial music... When thinking of best category, I would compare like-to-like and this is Current 93 related both in terms of personnel and music qualities.



^ to list one of my favourites in that musical universe (in a very similar vein to music on C93's Thunder Perfect Mind and Of Ruine or Some Blazing Starre...)

I am a bit surprised that if it were to be in PA, Prog Folk was not considered to be the obvious place (I haven't heard the next album, and maybe that's why).

And I love this:

^ I knew the history, I've read through the thread. I had meant to respond to this topic when it was quite new as I'm into Current 93 and related.

As was written last year:

kenethlevine wrote: I'm going to send to Avant.  If that fails, maybe experimental?  If that fails, I say they should be in PF

And earlier today:

kenethlevine wrote: I don't know honestly.  His title still links him to those subgenre groups. It's really the "Beauty" album that might qualify them for PA, and prog folk at that.  I don't see the other stuff as being prog - just industrial IMO

If it finds itself in Eclectic or anywhere, I wouldn't complain. I also think you could compare this somewhat with an act like Swans, but we all make our own associations.

By the way, I started writing my post before you posted (multi tasking), so I hadn't seen your latest yet, Ian, when I posted my last message. So I was following the discussion from Ken's latest post rather than yours.

My point was simply that to me Prog Folk seems the most obvious place due to the Current 93 connection (same with Nick earlier), and musically based on Beauty Reaps the Blood of Solitude, but others see things differently. Vive la difference.

Edited by Logan - February 01 2022 at 12:15

^ To borrow from another thread, Nature and Organisation is more Current 93 and Folk and than current Yes is real Yes. ;) I don't know that actually, but the ping-ponging does surprise me. I do hope the people evaluating it do take into consideration Current 93 (maybe check out some of the music from around the years that Beauty Reaps the Blood of Solitude came out such as the albums I listed before). As a team member I had hoped to be quite familiar with the most relevant material to the suggestion that was already in PA so to make good comparisons. Sometimes I found we had disagreements because we were associating differently, and maybe what I was comparing it to another did not know, and sometimes because we were more focused on different materials by the proposed act as well as different materials that we were comparing it to. It's a reason why discussing and sharing ideas (and sharing relevant music) rather than just sharing final votes (results) can be so valuable. I value a variety of perspectives and taking different ideas into account.

^ I proposed before that perhaps we should have floaters, meaning nothing distasteful, but rather people who are not official team members yet are called on to give a vote when needed. Sort of like a collab reserve or auxiliary force. My life is complicated now, and having to deal with some tough family matters, but I have offered my services in the past as a tie-breaker (for categories I know well and really like much music from). Often evaluations have stalled due to personnel issues. A lot have burnt out on various teams as this voluntary work can be very onerous at times.

Edited by Logan - February 01 2022 at 12:56

Hi, relatively young person here, would also like to volunteer for floaterdom. 

Thanks for the heads up and for elaborating. I don't believe anything was finalised on the Prog Folk team, as Ken left the door open for N&O's further evaluation, so I'll change the topic heading and see what comes of it.

kenethlevine wrote: I've asked Hugues to reevaluate