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So, starting my listening journey to the Field Recordings... Page 1:

I prophesy disaster: Ah, Windchase! I had this album on cassette (which have all been thrown away... and I didn't replace this one with an LP or CD). Nice to hear again, although I also understand why I still didn't buy a replacement...

Snicolette: Oh, Grice is immediately a contender. This is a wonderful piece of music: I love the sound effects, the cracking of the record and the wonderful instruments mixed in - atmosphere and dramatics! Will listen to the album! The gobbling turkeys are fun; I had a similar experience with chickens, but decided not to make a carreer out of it... Owain Phyfe is also very nice to hear, but a bit too gentle for me now. The Pipes of Pan didn't succeed to improve my attention span...

Mila: Eh, I'm very familiar with the music of Stockhausen, so this one is well known to me, and very appreciated. Thylacine starts off nicely, but I regret he feels the need to put in that overwhelming electro beat - for me it destroys the musical potential of his sonic exploration. A bit of a similar impression with Ty ft. Mpho: there is definitely an interesting quality in it for my ears, but also some moments that come over as very standard/formulaic...

Lewian: Ieh, another immediate contender... I didn't know Sohrab, but this will be corrected. These are the soundscapes and collages that I love. I do know that wonderful film Step Across the Border and thus this snippet. Indeed, the film has much more to offer; great sample, though. Funex is much more spare with the traditional instruments, so after a first listen I thought I might like a bit more dramatics put in through them... At the same time the piece went by much faster than the 4:54 indicated. So I had to listen to it again (and again), but no: those two minutes really lasted almost five... Those dramatics are there, but in a very subtle way. Very nice! (But I do prefer Sohrab... Tongue)

mathman: Ooh, I heard some work of Bang on a Can before, but not these. Very nice, all four, although Casino Trem and Fade to Slide are going a bit in too many directions. I prefer the other two, The Ontology of an Echo and Nocturnal; they are more coherent to my ears. And of these two I prefer The Ontology of an Echo - a great piece of work!



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Originally posted by suitkees suitkees wrote:

So, starting my listening journey to the Field Recordings... Page 1:

Mila: Eh, I'm very familiar with the music of Stockhausen, so this one is well known to me, and very appreciated. Thylacine starts off nicely, but I regret he feels the need to put in that overwhelming electro beat - for me it destroys the musical potential of his sonic exploration. A bit of a similar impression with Ty ft. Mpho: there is definitely an interesting quality in it for my ears, but also some moments that come over as very standard/formulaic...
It seems we had the same inspiration! There's a series of compilation albums about European avant-garde, noise and experimantal music that includes Luc Ferrari and Stockhausen of course. Do you know that record series?- As for my other suggestions, I was rather busy but still wanted to participate in this interesting poll. I posted this piece by the French electronic music artist in the first place because of the video that shows him in the work process. However, field recordings have been used on numerous ambient/chill-out albums, so here we have a good example of this. The third suggestion by British rapper and producer Ty I chose because of this idea to introduce his neighbourhood in its entirety by combining the music with sounds of that place, lyrics and images. I came across that video by chance because he sadly passed away recently due to covid. He was an old school hip hop artist whom I cherish very much. He collaborated i.a. with great Tony Allen on multiple occasions.



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Originally posted by suitkees suitkees wrote:

So, starting my listening journey to the Field Recordings... Page 1:

Snicolette: Oh, Grice is immediately a contender. This is a wonderful piece of music: I love the sound effects, the cracking of the record and the wonderful instruments mixed in - atmosphere and dramatics! Will listen to the album! The gobbling turkeys are fun; I had a similar experience with chickens, but decided not to make a carreer out of it... Owain Phyfe is also very nice to hear, but a bit too gentle for me now. The Pipes of Pan didn't succeed to improve my attention span...

So happy you enjoyed Grice, that is actually one of my favourite releases of 2021.  Gobbling turkeys were for fun, I've never forgotten that segment on the radio, still makes me laugh.  Owain was sort of sentimental for me, I wish I did know of a great live performer video there where you hear many of the sounds of Faire, there are sounds of crazy parades moving past and loud shouts over at the jousting ring, not to mention the other performers/barkers, etc.  Pipes of Pan was just an interesting thing of it's day.  I have often wondered if The Rolling Stones would have been more innovative as time went on, if Brian had lived longer.  He was very interested in exotic music.  A wonderful film with tons of great music in it, is "Meetings With Remarkable Men," just wasn't sure if some of the selections on the soundtrack were true field recordings, similar to my problem with posting David Lindley's and Henry Kaiser's works from Madagascar.


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Originally posted by Mila-13 Mila-13 wrote:

It seems we had the same inspiration! There's a series of compilation albums about European avant-garde, noise and experimantal music that includes Luc Ferrari and Stockhausen of course. Do you know that record series?


No, I don't know that album series, but I do have a couple of Stockhausen albums, including Kontakte (the whole thing, thus). I have some other compilations of electronic music and indeed you'll often find Ferrari, Stockhausen and some other more or less famous figures on those...

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dr wu: I do love me some XTC... and love this album and this track. Always good to hear again.

Lewian: Vague memory of The Tear Garden; fits nicely after the XTC track. A bit more sound experiments in it and a nice interplay between these, the guitar, keys and the rhythm section, and very accessible. Nice track, but not as special as Sohrab. Holger Czukay is another great choice, so much could be picked of his work, but known to me - I recently played the LP again...

suitkees: Almost Nothing, With Girls... Yes, that's what it is... I hear the birds and the wind and the girls... Almost nothing. Ermm

jamesbaldwin: The Alberto Fortis video won't play for me, but I found this one, hope it is the same. Starts of with a bit of rain and the Sioux chanting to merge into a nice pop song - nice, but not extraordiMary... I prefer the Fabrizio de André's more folky ballad, ending in a market place recording(?). Nicely melodic and great singing. Gang start of with a (gypsy?) woman singing before the band kicks in with a nice mix of pop-rock and more traditional balkan/gypsy-like flavors (thanks to the violin and accordeon...). Sound a bit like a balkan incarnation of the French group Zebda... (also late 80s early 90s sounding). Still, I'd go with de André.

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In order to contribute to musical diversity I decided to waive my initially proposed musique concrète piece by Stockhausen and to suggest another option instead.

Hidden Orchestra: Wandering


Live @Edinburgh Jazz Festival, 2010

Hidden Orchestra is the solo studio projcect of Scottish multi-instrumentalist, composer and producer Joe Acheson, whose albums and live shows include guest musicians from diverse musical backgrounds. He plays bass, drums and percussion and uses field recordings.

The piece 'Wandering' is from their debut album 'Night Walks' (2010). In terms of musical style, it is a blend of elements of jazz, classical music, drum'n'bass, rock and hip hop. - Some of you may already be familiar with this musical project but I hope that you will still enjoy this excellent piece.



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I’m really surprised by what is showing up here, and there’s some really cool stuff! I guess I was expecting to see some more “mainstream” selections, along the lines of Pink Floyd, for example. But a lot of these are quite “out there”.

I guess Pink Floyd were probably the first band I ever really became aware of how much field recordings can add to a musical piece - even though they were definitely not the first band or artist in my music collection to use field recordings. A lot of the time, I think, field recordings go almost unnoticed by the listener - and I wonder if that’s why some people have struggled with this poll. Perhaps, simply thinking too hard about it?

The Beatles, Black Sabbath, Bowie, Crowded House, Queen, U2, and so, so, so many more popular and mainstream artists have utilised field recordings. But it’s possible that they are simply absorbed without listeners realising that they are field recordings - simply because they are so well integrated, and so integral to the sound of the song. Their absence would likely be far more noticed, than their inclusion.

That aside, I’ve really enjoyed a lot of the selections here, and I will try and give my take on at least some of them. I will also endeavour to add my own selections. I’m sorry to have some hat neglected my own poll, but I have been stupidly busy. Life, eh? Something about it being a female dog, and then you expire. Well, I’m not expired yet, so I guess I’m somewhere within the female dog portion.

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Ok, I’m the interests of trying to get something down before I go to work, and have to leave this for another day, here are my favourites so far (yes, it’s most of them! 🤪):

Windchase - I love this. Very cool. I’m going to check this band out.

Grice - I already knew this, so already knew I loved it. It’s one of two albums released last year that are built around birdsong. The only reason I have for not voting for this is that I was already familiar with it. (Otherwise, it might well be my first choice!)


Stockhausen - Again, a track I knew - but a bloody brilliant one. It was probably a good idea to later add the Hidden Orchestra nomination, as I’m guessing as wonderful as the Stockhausen is, too many people will already be familiar with it, and therefore be less likely to vote for it. That Hidden Orchestra, though! Wow! Another band I need to check out.


Thylacine - I really enjoyed this. I can understand where the criticism has come from, regarding the electronica to become too intrusive and overbearing, but I don’t feel it is quite that detrimental.


Sohrab - Oh yeah, this is good stuff. Like Grice, it reminded me of one of the artists I was thinking of nominating.


Bang on a Can - I have heard some Bang on a Can, but these were new to me. It seems others might disagree, but although I enjoyed them all, Casino probably would be my choice. I like the idea you had to provide both studio and live versions. (And, I should add, I also liked that same provision of both aspects of Hidden Orchestra.)


The Tear Garden - another great nomination! So much great music shared here. It might not be at all what I was expecting (see my last post), but I’m not at all disappointed, so much as delighted. And this is delightful!


Luc Ferrari - I’m a sucker for bird song, and this has bird song, so…. 😜

But seriously, this is quite magnificent. I’ll be checking out Luc Ferrari, for sure!


Alberto Fortis, I did enjoy, but I am so glad you changed your nomination to Fabrizio de André, because I love this.


I realise I haven’t said much, but I’m in a bit of a rush, and I don’t want to procrastinate further. And I really, really do want to express my appreciation for all the selections so far.


I’ll try and post my own selections before I go to work, but if not, then (sigh), tomorrow.


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Quite understandable that real life can get in the way of when your poll is happening (been there!), Nick.  We can even decide to extend it, if you feel it warrants it.

So pleased that someone else knew of GRICE.  Completely understand not using it as a potential to your podium (as Lorenzo would say Smile), because of familiarity.  I do exactly the same thing.  Almost kind of a reaction video response, with the freshness of it outweighing potential bias because of it's being known already.

I think you're not seeing a lot of Beatles, Floyd, etc, because most of us, myself included, do try and bring lesser-known music here.  First song that popped into my mind when you suggested the category was The Beatles' Blackbird.  Smile  Then went to similar with David Cousins' We'll Meet Again Sometime, from "Two Weeks Last Summer."

Thank you for taking the time for some reviewing, looking forward to what you will bring, should it be possible for you this time around.



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Listened to them all now - I see Nick's point very clearly. It was clear to me from the beginning that the topic can be interpreted in various manners and there are things dominated by field recordings, very experimental stuff, and then also very subtle use of field recordings that is hardly noticed in quite a bit of popular music, and then also things that were recorded "live in the field" where all we're hearing contributes to the experience. Quite heterogeneous this field! But all these can be good!

Windchase: That's a fine piece, field recordings are there but don't do that much (subtle!).

Renaissance Faire Performer: Very relaxed and folky - I didn't have the "live in the field" interpretation on my radar before hearing this and actually playing it in this context changes the listening experience. Interesting! I also liked the Pipes of Pan at Jajouka, although half of it is probably enough length for me.

Stockhausen: Kontakte is maybe the first proper avantgarde electronic piece that I have heard in my life, my grandfather had it. I didn't really get it at the time (aged 14 or so) but it has grown on me big time. In fact it has more than 35 minutes in the original version, you're considerate with us here. Wink
Thylacine: This is probably the one of yours I'd most likely vote for, as I don't know it yet. Great, for sure a contender.
Brixton Baby: I loved the video, having lived some 10 minutes by bike from Brixton for 14 years. By the way, the population of Brixton (2011 census) is 26% black, 59% white - the video doesn't exactly suggest that. It's a good choice but musically not really my cup of tea.
I'm a big fan of the Hidden Orchestra but they wouldn't benefit from the surprise factor in this poll.

George: "The only music I can think of" - not sure you are aware of how much field recordings occur in music that sounds rather "harmless". Wink Anyway, I love the first piece by Tyondai Braxton (I know him but not this one). The others are intriguing, too, but may require more listens to really get inton them.

Summer's Cauldron: Very good use of field recordings here - they clearly contribute but don't dominate. Well done!

Luc Ferrari: suitkees you're of course notorious for playing stuff that has a good probability to appeal to me, and this is right up my alley, although I need to reserve 15 minutes of "total listening" for this one - my first scan had other things going on at the same time, and then it's hard for such a piece to do its magic.

Fabrizio de Andre: Good that you changed your preference as this does much more for me than the Alberto Fortis one. A nice melodic song with some "magic" (which is missing for me in Fortis) and good use of recordings and noises. The Gang one is somewhere in between, the melody tells me more than that of Fortis but less than Andre's.


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Originally posted by nick_h_nz nick_h_nz wrote:

Windchase - I love this. Very cool. I’m going to check this band out.
 
Windchase - Symphinity, from which the track I posted came, is the only album by this band. However, this band does contain members from the better-known Sebastian Hardie, the two bands being musically similar. From Sebastian Hardie, I recommend Four Moments.
 

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Windchase: That's a fine piece, field recordings are there but don't do that much (subtle!).
 
Four tracks of the eight on the album contain field recordings. However, the track I chose contains more field recordings than the other three, and is also the best track musically of the four and possibly the entire album, though my favourite track on the album is No Scruples, which doesn't have any field recordings.
 

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I prophesy disaster: Ah, Windchase! I had this album on cassette (which have all been thrown away... and I didn't replace this one with an LP or CD). Nice to hear again, although I also understand why I still didn't buy a replacement...
 
Along with Sebastian Hardie - Four Moments, Windcase - Symphinity was one of my "must-have" CDs. For a period of time, it was expensive/difficult-to-get. But eventually it became available to me, along with the other Sebastian Hardie albums.
 

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Originally posted by nick_h_nz nick_h_nz wrote:

Luc Ferrari - I’m a sucker for bird song, and this has bird song, so…. 😜

But seriously, this is quite magnificent. I’ll be checking out Luc Ferrari, for sure!


I can recommend the album this is from, in the "Acousmatrix - History of elctronic music" séries. The two longer pieces on it are real gems: "Petite symphonie intuitive pour un paysage de printemps" (Little intuitive symphony for a spring landscape) and Hétérozygote are masterpieces to my ears. You can also find them on youtube. Not on youtube, but one of my personal favorites is "Et tournent les sons dans la garrigue" (And sounds are spinning in the garigue), although the CD that was released of it does not capture the splendid intensity of the live concert I attended to some 10-12 years ago...


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I mentioned that album series earlier but you said you were not aware of it. Wink



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^ Because these are two different series: if I'm not mistaken, you're talking about the "Roots of Electronica - European avant-garde, noise and experimental music" series, which I didn't know before you mentioned it here (and I actually doubt it ever got a physical release...), while I am referring to the "Acousmatrix - history of electronic music" series, which is a CD series of the early 90s (with a re-release somewhere around 2005).


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Right, I have a day off work, and I mean to get this done. As I have arisen early on a Sunday morning to do this, I’m going to start with Cronofonía’s “Dawn (Reprise)”, which closes their rather eponymous, and rather impressive, double album (released last year). As I’ve said, I love the use of bird song in music. The band here deliberately choose woodwinds that sound similar to birdsong to begin the song, and end it with recordings of actual birdsong. The final minute or so is almost purely birdsong.

(I thought that I had already posted my review of the album on PA, but when I went to link it here, it wasn’t there. Now it is, and if you are interested, you can read it here.)


Cronofonía was not something I had thought of to share here, and it was only after the song turned up on shuffle last night as I was falling to sleep, that I realised it would make a nice introductory piece, even if I doubt I will choose it as my nomination. (I always go to sleep with my iPod on shuffle, and it’s usually the only time I listen to songs, rather than albums - but the randomness seems to help me get to sleep.)

The album that made me want to choose field recordings for this poll, though, is Henika’s “Strange Creatures”, which is absolutely one of my most favourite albums of 2021. Henika recorded hours upon hours of native birdsong, and used it as instruments for her album. Some of the recordings are used unaltered, and others are looped and sampled to great effect. Almost every track on the album is a different style, so there’s pop and jazz and blues, etc. - but all with the twist of being full of birdsong. Dawn Chorus is far from my favourite track, but as the opening number is is a fairly great statement of intent. I highly recommend giving the whole album a listen here!


And, if you want to hear some of the birdsong as it actually sounds, Henika has made a compilation of some of the field recordings she made, and posted it on YouTube:


One last video, and this one is not actually the piece I would choose, or perhaps the piece I might choose, but not this version. Pie Are Squared released two wonderful albums last year (Muri and Con Calma), and a new version of this track appeared on Con Calma. Pie Are Squared is Egyptian sound musician, Mohammad Asraf, who likes to use field recordings from wherever he happens to be living. That’s in Italy presently, but Pie Are Squared has a release recorded when Mo was living and working on an oil rig, for example, so all his releases have quite a diffferent flavour.

(My reviews for Muri and Con Calma, if you’re interested, are here and here.)


I could list hundreds of examples, because so much music I love uses field recordings. But these will do for now, I’m sure! 😜


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Ah ok, the subject is not quite the same but there are surely certain overlaps. I noticed that the Acousmatrix series was released by the Studio for Electronic Music in Cologne. I will have a closer look at it. Whether my compilation got released physically, I don't know. The named publisher or label is Brain Disques. There was a Hamburg-based record label in the 1970s, Brain Records specialized in electronic music and krautrock. There could perhaps be a connection.



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