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Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

Just a suggestion!

Not to comment the details in your suggestion, but if you have several threads in your mind, I don't think it's realistic.
Otherwise, see my comment to Nick, just above your post.


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Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

Just a suggestion!

Eastern Europe is a HUUUUUGE landmass and not well defined

I would break down these "prog zones" as such

Russia

Ukraine, Belarus & Moldova

Baltic States (Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania)

Central nations (Poland, Hungary, Czech Rep, Slovakia)

Balkan nations (Romania, Bulgaria, Albania & Former Yugoslavia [Serbia, Croatia, Slovenia, Kosovo, Montenegro, North Macedonia])

Greece if counted should really be in its own category possibly with Turkey which has a sliver of territory that is considered Europe (even though the Eurasian landmass is divided solely for cultural purposes.)

As for choosing albums, way too many for me to count.

Some would also included Caucus nations such as Georgia, Armenia and Azerbaijan as Eastern Europe but seems a stretch in my view considering the Caucus range is technically what divides Europe from Asia.

Also Eastern Germany which used to be considered Eastern Europe could be thrown into the Central nations category.

I included the Caucasus, as it is the border region - though I know only one Georgian artist, and only two Armenian artists, and seems to be far more accepted as part of Eastern Europe than the Baltic states, which are almost always not included.

I also included Austria in the Central nations, as the this was roughly the Austro-Hungarian empire.

I definitely agree that Eastern Europe is far too great an area otherwise. Using your breakdowns would make my lists more similar in size, too. I had 30 Russian artists on my iPod, and 20 Ukrainian. If I add the Belarusian to the Ukrainian I would have 30 for there, too (as I have nothing from Moldova).

Apart from Slovakia, the Central region would be larger from Poland alone (a good 40+ artists on my iPod), with Hungary and Czech both fighting for second, Austria firmly in fourth place, and Slovakia trailing far behind with nothing in my collection that I can think of.

The Balkans are by far the least represented with not too much in my collection from Romania, Bulgaria, Serbia, Croatia, Slovenia and Montenegro, and nothing at all from Albania, Kosovo and North Macedonia.
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siLLy puPPy and nick_h_nz , if you want to discuss this suggestion, I think you should start a new thread, guys, because 
it's not what I've had in mind.


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Well, Nick, I don't know what to think about it, now. Confused
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Oof, this is clearly not a part of the world with whose prog scene I'm very acquainted... I already had to cheat with two artists that aren't even in PA (yet) as well as some artists from Austria and Finland which can barely be considered "Eastern Europe", and still I can't even finish a top 12 with albums that I'm familiar enough with for me to put on a list like this. Here goes, anyway...

1. Vangelis - Blade Runner (Greece)
2. Stevan Kovacs Tickmayer - Cold Peace Counterpoints (Serbia)
3. Hermann Szobel - Szobel (Austria)
4. Missigno - Binary Digit Temple (Greece)
5. Tigran Hamasyan - The Call Within (Armenia)
6. Alex Machacek - 24 Tales (Austria)
7. Deep Turtle - There's A Vomitsprinkler In My Liverriver (Finland)
8. Den Za Den - Den Za Den (North Macedonia)
9. Czesław Niemen - Niemen Aerolit (Poland)
10. Aphrodite's Child - 666 (Greece)
11. After Crying - Overground Music (Hungary)


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It looks fine, Mirakaze, and the number 12 is just a suggestion. 
I'm happy to see you include Niemen Aerolit, as I find it being a very fine album, and you're the first one to do it.



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1. Solaris - Marsbéli krónikák [Hungary]
2. M Efekt - Svitane [Czech Republic]
3. Vangelis - Albedo 0.39 [Greece]
4. Blue Effect & Jazz Q Praha - Coniunctio [Czech Republic]
5. Solaris - Nostradamus 2.0 Returnity: Unborn Visions [Hungary]
6. Tigran Hamasyan - The Call Within [Armenia]
7. Antony Kalugin - Marshmallow Moondust [Ukraine]
8. Už Jsme Doma - Uprostřed Slov [Czech Republic]
9. East - Hűség [Hungary]
10. Collegium Musicum - Continuo [Slovakia]
11. La Tulipe noire - Shattered Image [Greece]
12. Ascorbic Acid - Seven Words [Russia]

Honorable mentions:
After Crying - 6 [Hungary]
Apple Pie - Crossroad [Russia]
Them Moose Rush - Dancing Maze [Croatia]
Thy Catafalque - Vadak [Hungary]
Antethic - Ghost Shirt Society [Russia]
Sfinx - Zalmoxe [Romania]
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I surely like to see Solaris - Marsbéli krónikák, progadvaark, and even as #1 indeed doesn't make it worse.
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Happy that the East of Europe is asked as such a big piece of earth, as I really know too little. I reach 12 entries from different artists with a little help of communist East Germany and solo projects by both members of iamthemorning.

iamthemorning - Lighthouse
Iva Bittova's Dunaj - Dunaj
Stern Meissen - Reise zum Mittelpunkt des Menschen
The Gourishankar - 2nd Hands
Actual Music Quartet RSM - s/t
Mariana Semkina - Sleepwalking
Vezhlivy Otkaz - War Songs
Gleb Kolyadin - s/t
Riverside - Second Life Syndrome
Lift - Meeresfahrt
Vangelis - The Dragon

I just about kicked out Omega's Time Robber - quite surprised that they are not listed yet. Before I joined PA I'd have thought Omega are by far the most popular prog act from Eastern Europe except maybe Greece. 


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FAT - #awesome
Them Moose Rush - Don't Pick Your Noise
Special Providence - Soul Alert
The Gourishankar - 2nd Hands
Sympozion - Kundabuffer
Alex Machacek - 24 Tales
Riverside - Anno Domini High Definition
Disperse - Foreword
Wastefall - Self Exile
Aphrodite's Child - 666

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Thank you very much for your contributions, Lewian and Grumpy.

Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

I just about kicked out Omega's Time Robber - quite surprised that they are not listed yet. Before I joined PA I'd have thought Omega are by far the most popular prog act from Eastern Europe except maybe Greece. 

I'd say, Omega used to be a well known band but, I guess, not so much anymore comparing to so many others.



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My Favorite Eastern European Prog Albums:

It’s just too tough to choose just 12, but the list would start here (the albums that have received the most play and return):


After Crying Overground Music

After Crying Megalázottak és Megszomorítottak

After Crying Föld És Ég

After Crying De Profundis

Ciccada A Child in the Mirror

Ciccada The Finest of Miracles

Ciccada Harvest

Disen Gage Snapshots

Eyot Innate

Fermata Huascaran

Five-Storey Ensemble Not That City

Five-Storey Ensemble Night en face 

Gleb Kolyadin Gleb Kolyadin

Gleb Kolyadin water movements

Hail Spirit Noir Eden in Reverse

iamthmorning ~

iamthemorning The Bell

iamthemorning Lighthouse

Jargon The Fading Thought

Marjana Semkina Sleepwalking

Methexis Topos

Methexis The Fall of Bliss

Methexis Suiciety

Mother Turtle II

Negura Bunget Om

Solaris Marsbéli krónikák

Vespero The Four Zaos

Vespero By the Waters of Tomorrow

Whalephant KaMMa 

The Worm Ouroboros Of Things That Never Were


(those in bold print are the most likely candidates for my “favorite 12”)



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Some favourite in no particular order:
KADA-Kada
SIDDHARTHA-Siddhartha
PLJ BAND-Armageddon
ENERGIT-Energit
WILL-O-THE-WISP-Will-0-The Wisp
IGRA STAKLENIH PERLI-Igra Staklenih Perli
PHLOX-Rebime And Voltmine
PANTOMMIND-Shade Of Fate
APHRODITES CHILD-666
GEVENDE-Sen Balik Degilsin ki
BLUE EFFECT & JAZZ Q-Coniunctio
SBB-Live in Karlstad 1975

Not to mention RIVERSIDE and INDUKTI that I'd normally include on a list like this. Michal Urbaniac is another one.


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Originally posted by Mellotron Storm Mellotron Storm wrote:

Not to mention RIVERSIDE and INDUKTI that I'd normally include on a list like this. Michal Urbaniac is another one.

We've just had a separate Polish thread if you haven't seen it.
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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by Mellotron Storm Mellotron Storm wrote:

Not to mention RIVERSIDE and INDUKTI that I'd normally include on a list like this. Michal Urbaniac is another one.

We've just had a separate Polish thread if you haven't seen it.


Thanks I'll check it out.
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Not including Poland, since you did a Poland thread. Russia perhaps deserves its own thread, but I'll include them since others are. Also, I don't know if they necessarily have a big enough prog scene.

Oh, I forgot Greece. Well, the Aphrodite's Child and Ciccada albums you listed would make it into this list.

After Crying - Overground Music (Hungary)
Solaris - Marsbéli krónikák (Hungary)
Horizont - Летний город (Russia)
Lost World - Awakening of the Elements (Russia)
Karfagen - Solitary Sandpiper Journey (Ukraine)
Fugato Orchestra - Neander Variations (Hungary)
Quorum - Another World (Russia)
Fermáta - Huascaran (Slovakia)
Talitha Qumi - Despre cuvinte (Romania)
Modrý Efekt & Radim Hladík - Modrý Efekt & Radim Hladík (Czech)
The Gourishankar - 2nd Hands (Russia)
The Worm Ouroboros - Of Things That Never Were (Belarus)


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Originally posted by King Crimson776 King Crimson776 wrote:

Not including Poland, since you did a Poland thread. Russia perhaps deserves its own thread, but I'll include them since others are. Also, I don't know if they necessarily have a big enough prog scene.

At the risk of upsetting David (again), I would say that Russia is very much deserving of its own thread. I suspect their prog scene is just as big as Poland’s, but more unknown. I have albums by 42 different Polish artists on my iPod, and 30 different Russian artists on my iPod. That could imply that the Polish prog scene is bigger, but I do t think that would be an accurate inference.

Investigating the Russian prog scene drew me into the Ukrainian and Belarusian prog scenes, which are likely even lesser known than the Russian prog scene. But does that mean they are not deserving of their own threads, too? Personally, I think that, too, would be a mistake.

East Europe is such a vast and ill-defined area (whose borders are as grey an area as the definitions of prog), with many quite different cultures and traditions. The music, instruments, instrumentation and influences differ greatly by region, and to clump them together is quite unfair on them all. Even more so, to my mind, if Poland has its own thread but no other does.

I haven’t really contributed to this thread, since David took umbrage with comments made by Silly Puppy and I, and I’m not sure why I’m writing this - except perhaps I have not yet had my morning coffee, and my brain is still in somewhat of a morning fog. But I would like to see people list their favourites (5, 10, 12, whatever) from each country. I have been thinking of doing so for some time now, because I find it incredibly difficult to narrow my large list of East European artists down to 12, let alone albums by those artists.

It may not be what David intended, but I think it might be helpful for anyone who is thinking of investigating the music of one country or another, rather than just a large region that often has little in common between many of the countries within, apart from being within an arbitrary region mostly defined by people outside that region.
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Nick, siLLy puPPy and King C., I think to begin with you're quite right but is that talking realistic?
Because there are these two questions:
1. Will there be enough interest for (all) those threads you have in mind?
2. Who will do these threads?

And as long we don't know answers on these two questions, I think it's just best to follow my thread doing, otherwise they'll be spoiled and nothing better will happen.
So, Nick, I must say I'm not quite sure of the intention with your long posts.
I think, why don't you just start a new thread (with siLLy puPPy) and discuss these things?
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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Nick, siLLy puPPy and King C., I think to begin with you're quite right but is that talking realistic?
Because there are these two questions:
1. Will there be enough interest for (all) those threads you have in mind?
2. Who will do these threads?

And as long we don't know answers on these two questions, I think it's just best to follow my thread doing, otherwise they'll be spoiled and nothing better will happen.
So, Nick, I must say I'm not quite sure of the intention with your long posts.
I think, why don't you just start a new thread (with siLLy puPPy) and discuss these things?

There is no need for a new thread, that I can see. This one seems to be trundling along quite nicely.
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Originally posted by nick_h_nz nick_h_nz wrote:

There is no need for a new thread, that I can see. This one seems to be trundling along quite nicely.

Okay, and I think you should pay some good attention to some of the comments which are made in this thread because as far as I can see there's no basis for what you would like to see:
Originally posted by nick_h_nz nick_h_nz wrote:

But I would like to see people list their favourites (5, 10, 12, whatever) from each country. 
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