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Originally posted by nick_h_nz nick_h_nz wrote:

I love The Incident, and it’s easily top five PT for me. I tend to prefer their earlier material, and I’ve always felt that The Incident had more in common with, say Down the Upstair or Signify, than Fear of a Blank Planet or Deadwing. Generally speaking, those who are most disappointed with The Incident seem to be big fans of the three heavier albums that preceded it, and those who like it, are often those who like the earlier psychedelic style.

I also tend to agree with Pedro, in terms of drumming. Even if Gavin Harrison is the technically superior drummer, I far prefer Chris Maitland’s drumming for PT. For sure, I can understand why SW made the switch, when he moved to a heavier sound. But the best PT drumming for me is Chris on the Coma Divine live album (which remains my favourite PT release of all time).

I’ve not yet listened to Harridan, as I don’t like to listen to singles ahead of an album anymore. But I did listen to the short seconds long snippet that was the first promo, and I really liked that it sounded like a mix of The Future Bites and The Incident. Even when SW was telling the world he would never go back to PT he was saying that had the band carried on, the music they made wouldn’t have been so dissimilar to what he was making as SW. That short snippet bears it out, being a natural follow-on from both The Incident and TFB.


According to the documentary Making of In Absentia, that was released on YT a week ago SW released Chris due to Chris having some issues (personal sounded like) as well struggling with some of the new music. I did not get the sense SW wanted to do this but he was more forced into doing it based on how Chris was acting. PT had just signed on with Lava and were given carte blanche in NY to create In Absentia and he was scared the record company was gonna flip...."You just fired your drummer!!!!"
Richard called Gavin and convinced him to come play and record this album as a session player, SW was blown away at his playing, as well Gavin proving he could play a more harder/metal type drumming as needed. It was not till after the album was finished and they all were back in UK that they invited Gavin to become a band member.
It's a long watch like 1.5 hours but highly informative and SW declares In Absentia his fav PT record, the best songs they have written and recorded.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote dr wu23 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 10 2021 at 19:43
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Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by mathman0806 mathman0806 wrote:

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I was just listening through dr wu's ears. Wink This is not really a bad song. It's prog, so that's what's important. So, there's hope.

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It's not a 'bad' song but it's not a great song either.....and it is prog. I still hope there are better songs on the album.
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Originally posted by nick_h_nz nick_h_nz wrote:

I love The Incident, and it’s easily top five PT for me. I tend to prefer their earlier material, and I’ve always felt that The Incident had more in common with, say Down the Upstair or Signify, than Fear of a Blank Planet or Deadwing. Generally speaking, those who are most disappointed with The Incident seem to be big fans of the three heavier albums that preceded it, and those who like it, are often those who like the earlier psychedelic style.

I also tend to agree with Pedro, in terms of drumming. Even if Gavin Harrison is the technically superior drummer, I far prefer Chris Maitland’s drumming for PT. For sure, I can understand why SW made the switch, when he moved to a heavier sound. But the best PT drumming for me is Chris on the Coma Divine live album (which remains my favourite PT release of all time).

I’ve not yet listened to Harridan, as I don’t like to listen to singles ahead of an album anymore. But I did listen to the short seconds long snippet that was the first promo, and I really liked that it sounded like a mix of The Future Bites and The Incident. Even when SW was telling the world he would never go back to PT he was saying that had the band carried on, the music they made wouldn’t have been so dissimilar to what he was making as SW. That short snippet bears it out, being a natural follow-on from both The Incident and TFB.



My favorite drumming in PT is also on Coma Divine, which also is my favourite album from the band. However, I still got to get some of the studio albums with Maitland. The Warszawa album is a good companion to Coma Divine, though.
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Honestly, I hope the band does not come around. I am not enthused with the drumming in that song, and find it "cheap" and not quite well defined (probably a time thing if Gavin was on the road!), and maybe, just maybe ... I need a break from SW and his hand everywhere. And rehashes are getting tiresome!

You would think that after doing something like "Routine" (outstanding specially the live version with Ninet) that he would realize that he can do something more interesting than just a song with his over __________ view of things that he thinks are important.

I would prefer that PT buried the hatchet and let it go at that, although I imagine that a couple of the folks might like the extra money they can make with it, but a new PT won't be a band effort ... it will be a SW effort, and I'm not sure that it will get off the ground! This song shown here is a SW effort, not a 
PT song!


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Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Hi,

Honestly, I hope the band does not come around. I am not enthused with the drumming in that song, and find it "cheap" and not quite well defined (probably a time thing if Gavin was on the road!), and maybe, just maybe ... I need a break from SW and his hand everywhere. And rehashes are getting tiresome!

You would think that after doing something like "Routine" (outstanding specially the live version with Nina) that he would realize that he can do something more interesting than just a song with his over __________ view of things that he thinks are important.

I would prefer that PT buried the hatchet and let it go at that, although I imagine that a couple of the folks might like the extra money they can make with it, but a new PT won't be a band effort ... it will be a SW effort, and I'm not sure that it will get off the ground! This song shown here is a SW effort, not a 
PT song!

so because you did not like the song much, the band should just quit making music altogether, right? Wacko
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

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so because you did not like the song much, the band should just quit making music altogether, right? Wacko

Hi,

Not at all ... I liked the song, but it is not a PT piece, but a SW song in my book.

I (honestly) think that it is time for new music and there is a lot of it out there that deserves the attention that it is not getting ... and that when you hear this piece, it seems empty and just not "on it", in my book.

Lately I have been listening to AGUSA and when you hear their latest album it makes what SW did on this song just sound so poor and so uninspired, and (like I said) just mailed in ... but I have always been about NEW MUSIC and will continue to be so, and I have been with PT for almost 25 years, and then SW ... and it is time for something new ... and it has nothing to do with whether it is good or bad ... I don't look at music as SONGS that we like or don't like ... it's all music, and SW is fine, as is PT ... but I found better and more valuable materials for these days, than SW and PT. 

I wish, that some more folks had this attitude about "progressive" and new music, but somehow we keep going back to the same song and the same thing. I have not figured out why, except that we all need make up for our faces because we don't like what we see? And a lot of our tastes seem to reflect the idea that we had before ... not anything else, I don't think!
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^ So, don't listen to new Porcupine Tree, and listen to Agusa, and problem solved. That doesn't mean they should not make new music, only that you should not listen to it... or buy it... or whatever.
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Originally posted by Dellinger Dellinger wrote:

^ So, don't listen to new Porcupine Tree, and listen to Agusa, and problem solved. That doesn't mean they should not make new music, only that you should not listen to it... or buy it... or whatever.

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Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

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so because you did not like the song much, the band should just quit making music altogether, right? Wacko

Hi,

Not at all ... I liked the song, but it is not a PT piece, but a SW song in my book.

I think it’s a little disingenuous to suggest that a song is not PT, but rather SW, as I’m not sure there really has ever been a difference between the two. The often brought-up idea that PT “went as far they could” is a little ridiculous to me, as it implies that they were incapable of changing their sound and taking it in a different direction. They were clearly capable of that, so I don’t think at all that they took it as far as they could. You could, however, say that they ran out of steam, or at least, motivation to take it further.

I think the biggest thing is that SW had always been a bit of a control freak, and PT had begun with him having complete control, and by the end the group dynamic was something he was tiring of. I think people read too much, or perhaps simply read the wrong thing, into the statements that PT had gone as far as they could, in interviews after the breakup of the band. People assumed and inferred this meant the music, but I think it was more the personnel. Over time, interviews with SW certainly seemed to imply to me (or, yes, I inferred) that it was more down to SW wanting to perform with different musicians, and not need to share the writing of the music with them, than anything else.

Im fact, SW has said in several interviews now that if PT had continued, they would have continued, more or less, in the direction of his solo albums - so theoretical PT albums wouldn’t have been much different from the SW albums we know, except for the fact that the individual musicians involved would have put their stamp and personality into the music.

Recent interviews have also made much of the fact that SW is more willing to take a back seat than he ever was. He’s a family man now, and he’s happy to let others do more. Reading between the lines, one of the major reasons for breaking up PT (tiring of the band dynamic and wanting to be 100% in control again) was no longer an issue. The reunion was almost inevitable, I feel.

As for why Colin is not involved, it has long been reported that one individual had less interest in a reunion, and/or there were issues between one member and the others. All we know now is who that is (though Colin had always been the prime suspect). I don’t know why that is, and I don’t know why it always seemed to be Colin that people assumed was the odd man out. As harsh as it might seem, it doesn’t really bother me. PT has always been SW and whatever musicians he chooses to play with, whether under the PT or SW name.

When PT changed from a solo venture into a band, Gavin wasn’t part of the band, but Colin was. Now Gavin is part of the band, but Colin isn’t. It’s all SW, and as much as the various musicians provide to the music of PT, they are all disposable. I actually wish SW had kept the PT name for all his solo releases - but perhaps he didn’t want to be compared to Robert Fripp, as he has never been comfortable with the prog label (despite being very obviously prog).

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Originally posted by Necrotica Necrotica wrote:

Originally posted by Dellinger Dellinger wrote:

^ So, don't listen to new Porcupine Tree, and listen to Agusa, and problem solved. That doesn't mean they should not make new music, only that you should not listen to it... or buy it... or whatever.

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thought same.  i think it is great that steven wilson is making something new with PT.  love it.  maybe it helps SW get over his pop kick and move on to better things.
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Originally posted by rushaholic rushaholic wrote:

Originally posted by Necrotica Necrotica wrote:

Originally posted by Dellinger Dellinger wrote:

^ So, don't listen to new Porcupine Tree, and listen to Agusa, and problem solved. That doesn't mean they should not make new music, only that you should not listen to it... or buy it... or whatever.


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thought same.  i think it is great that steven wilson is making something new with PT.  love it.  maybe it helps SW get over his pop kick and move on to better things.


I didn't really desire so much that PT might return, since I was enjoying well enough Wilson's solo albums (The Raven would be my favourite album from him, including PT)... up until the last two, I guess (I haven't really even gotten a chance to buy the new one yet). Yet, if they release a new album, I'll just check it out and make up my mind wether I like it or not.
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^ Clever, I see what you did there a Porcupine in a Tree - therefore Rodent Branch Wink
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Originally posted by Gentle and Giant Gentle and Giant wrote:

^ Clever, I see what you did there a Porcupine in a Tree - therefore Rodent Branch Wink


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