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Topic: Is Porcupine Tree Returning?
Posted By: mcdonaa
Subject: Is Porcupine Tree Returning?
Date Posted: October 28 2021 at 09:34
Cryptic stuff posted on social media, with a reversed/slowed down audio clip posted on Yutube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLy42_oe8Cw" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLy42_oe8Cw

http://porcupinetree.lnk.to/signup" rel="nofollow - https://porcupinetree.lnk.to/signup

Porcupine Tree Official and Gavin Harrison have tweeted...although nothing from Richard Barbieri or Colin Edwin.



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Posted By: progaardvark
Date Posted: October 28 2021 at 10:10
Someone claims to have reversed the snippet and sped it up. Claims it is Wilson singing "who do you think you are?" and thinks Gavin Harrison is on the drums.

I listened to it and can't make those same conclusions. I hear a drum roll and somebody singing something, but I don't what they're singing.

https://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/a-mysterious-tweet-from-the-porcupine-tree-twitter-account.1115250/#post-28107861" rel="nofollow - https://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/a-mysterious-tweet-from-the-porcupine-tree-twitter-account.1115250/#post-28107861

I suppose it's either a new album or hyping up some reissue of PT. Not sure what the CC stands for.


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Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: October 28 2021 at 10:21
I hope not. As a PT fan, i want the canon to stand on its own instead of releasing substandard mediocrity.

If Wilson's latest solo albums are any indication i doubt that they could ever top their classic era which was pretty much their entire run.

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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: October 28 2021 at 10:51
Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

I hope not. As a PT fan, i want the canon to stand on its own instead of releasing substandard mediocrity.

If Wilson's latest solo albums are any indication i doubt that they could ever top their classic era which was pretty much their entire run.
I agree. Leave us this legacy in peace.

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Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: October 28 2021 at 10:59
^ i wish more classic bands would get the memo and move on instead of tarnishing their legacy.

Do you hear me Yes, Deep Purple, PFM, Caravan etc?

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Posted By: Cboi Sandlin
Date Posted: October 28 2021 at 11:10
Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

^ i wish more classic bands would get the memo and move on instead of tarnishing their legacy.

Do you hear me Yes, Deep Purple, PFM, Caravan etc?

I don’t see what the problem is with great bands making new music. I mean, sure, it isn’t the same as their classic stuff but it’s still the same band and they enjoy doing it, so why shouldn’t they.


Posted By: Deadwing
Date Posted: October 28 2021 at 11:17
Let them do whatever they want, I think they are going to release new material, can't wait to get more news!


Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: October 28 2021 at 11:29
Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

I hope not. As a PT fan, i want the canon to stand on its own instead of releasing substandard mediocrity.

If Wilson's latest solo albums are any indication i doubt that they could ever top their classic era which was pretty much their entire run.

But then Wilson has shown some shapeshifting ability over time. I don't think he'd use PT to just smoothly continue what he did on his latest solo albums. I expect quite a bit better from PT at this point than from  Yes or Caravan. But even if not - in my world it's not worse if PT produce a mediocre album than any band that I don't know and will never listen to. They should do whatever they like, and if I don't like it I may put half an hour of my time into checking it out and then leave it alone, hardly any damage done. 




Posted By: TCat
Date Posted: October 28 2021 at 14:00
Steven Wilson continues to release Bass Communion albums and doing remixes (See the latest Fovea Hex: The Salt Garden (Landscaped)).  He has done this while releasing his latest two solo albums and he hasn't changed or compromised the sound, style or quality of his Bass Communion project.  And it is anything but commercial.  If he is continuing on with PT, then I don't think he is going to veer away from progressive music with that project, and maybe that will be his outlet for prog.  That's speculation, of course, but from listening to his other continuing projects and such, those haven't been compromised.

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Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: October 28 2021 at 14:33
Originally posted by Cboi Sandlin Cboi Sandlin wrote:

Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

^ i wish more classic bands would get the memo and move on instead of tarnishing their legacy.

Do you hear me Yes, Deep Purple, PFM, Caravan etc?

I don’t see what the problem is with great bands making new music. I mean, sure, it isn’t the same as their classic stuff but it’s still the same band and they enjoy doing it, so why shouldn’t they.


Problem? Not really. Chances are it won't be the same band. It will be one or two members with new session musicians trying to recycle old material and rearrange it all into new material.

Is this a foregone conclusion? Of course not. However when classic bands peak and then retread i find it disingenuous and boring for the most part.

Of course they are free to do whatever they want, i'm just stating as a fan i hope they choose to NOT.


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Posted By: rushaholic
Date Posted: October 28 2021 at 17:40
Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

I hope not. As a PT fan, i want the canon to stand on its own instead of releasing substandard mediocrity.

If Wilson's latest solo albums are any indication i doubt that they could ever top their classic era which was pretty much their entire run.


Agreed.  Love Porcupine Tree and most everything Steven Wilson.  That last album though was a complete pile of sh*t.


Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: October 28 2021 at 19:24
It is totally in SW wheelhouse to change direction from his solo albums of late. I highly doubt he gets PT band to record music like To the Bone or the last one.....It will be the traditional PT flavor.

Gavin is knee deep in with Pineapple Thief, and they are touring now and coming to the US next year, I already have tickets for the June Seattle show....so not sure when he has time to compose music for PT, maybe 2023.
I assume SW has relaxed from his position that PT can restart again but he had no interest in being the main writer like before, one of the others would have to take those reins.....Maybe he is writing music now for PT, have not heard a peep from Richard and Edwin.

I'm up for anything they do.


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Posted By: Kotro
Date Posted: October 29 2021 at 03:57
I bet the "CC" will stand for "Complete Catalogue". Ie, boxset coming our way. LOL

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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: October 29 2021 at 04:00
Originally posted by mcdonaa mcdonaa wrote:

Cryptic stuff posted on social media, with a reversed/slowed down audio clip posted on Yutube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLy42_oe8Cw" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLy42_oe8Cw

http://porcupinetree.lnk.to/signup" rel="nofollow - https://porcupinetree.lnk.to/signup

Porcupine Tree Official and Gavin Harrison have tweeted...although nothing from Richard Barbieri or Colin Edwin.

so based on those two links, you think PT are preparing a comeback?! ConfusedLOL


Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: October 29 2021 at 08:06
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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: October 29 2021 at 17:48


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Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: October 29 2021 at 19:44
Steven Wilson has done some excellent stuff solo. The Raven must be my favourite album from him, including PT, actually (except perhaps for the live Coma Divine), and Grace for Drowning is just about as good, so I didn't really wished for him to reform Porcupine Tree... however, since his last efforts have been missing it for me, it might be just the right time for it to happen.


Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: October 31 2021 at 02:00
There was a company registered in the UK at Companies House named Porcupine 3 Ltd in May.

The directors? Wilson, Harrison, and Barbieri.


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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: October 31 2021 at 04:00
It was a phenomenally talented band for sure. John Wesley hardly gets a mention on this thread yet he's a brilliant guitarist.
The problem is simple , can they better or at least equal what they did on In Absentia , Deadwing and Fear Of A Blank Planet? No chance whatsoever. It happened, it was great and it's done. I even go to seem them a couple of times live so that's done and dusted. I don't need Steven Wilson sneering at me from the stage again lol.


Posted By: Manuel
Date Posted: October 31 2021 at 07:43
Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

I hope not. As a PT fan, i want the canon to stand on its own instead of releasing substandard mediocrity.

If Wilson's latest solo albums are any indication i doubt that they could ever top their classic era which was pretty much their entire run.
I agree. Leave us this legacy in peace.

I also agree. Better to leave the legacy as it stands, and not try to do some watered down stuff that would ruin it.


Posted By: mcdonaa
Date Posted: November 01 2021 at 04:06
Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by mcdonaa mcdonaa wrote:

Cryptic stuff posted on social media, with a reversed/slowed down audio clip posted on Yutube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLy42_oe8Cw" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLy42_oe8Cw

http://porcupinetree.lnk.to/signup" rel="nofollow - https://porcupinetree.lnk.to/signup

Porcupine Tree Official and Gavin Harrison have tweeted...although nothing from Richard Barbieri or Colin Edwin.

so based on those two links, you think PT are preparing a comeback?! ConfusedLOL

Well....it seems my speculation was correct:

CLOSURE / CONTINUATION
Porcupine Tree are proud to finally present an album 12 years in the making – CLOSURE / CONTINUATION. Today we share the first single Harridan, available now across all streaming services.
We are also very pleased to share news of our return to live stages in the UK and Europe in October/November 2022.

Get exclusive pre-sale access for tour tickets by pre-ordering the album, or registering via the official Porcupine Tree store. Tour dates in the Americas and Canada will be announced early next year, stay tuned!


Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: November 01 2021 at 04:29
Indeed, I just got an email from Burning Shed about this.


Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: November 01 2021 at 04:40
the album is scheduled for release 24 June 2022 so hopefully I'll still be alive by then Wink


Posted By: mathman0806
Date Posted: November 01 2021 at 04:52


Posted By: Jeffro
Date Posted: November 01 2021 at 05:04
Originally posted by Cboi Sandlin Cboi Sandlin wrote:

Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

^ i wish more classic bands would get the memo and move on instead of tarnishing their legacy.

Do you hear me Yes, Deep Purple, PFM, Caravan etc?

I don’t see what the problem is with great bands making new music. I mean, sure, it isn’t the same as their classic stuff but it’s still the same band and they enjoy doing it, so why shouldn’t they.

Frequently though, it isn't really the same band. Some of these bands only have one or two original members and in some cases, no original members. They are the band in name only. Does that matter? For some it doesn't and that's fine. It does to me. Watching a band where most or all the original members aren't there just doesn't cut it for me.





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Posted By: Ronstein
Date Posted: November 01 2021 at 06:25
Steven Wilson was on the Rockontuers podcast (Gary Kemp and Guy Pratt) on 3rd September. He was saying that basically every band he's been involved with is still going. The material for the various projects depends on whether he's written with others or not. essentially, if he writes a song by himself, it'll go on a solo project.


Posted By: Zeph
Date Posted: November 01 2021 at 08:36
There was something to the rumors then. I have listened a lot to PT, but not much these days. I don’t have much expectations and the single didn’t blow any mind. It sounded like PT with some later TFB inspiration from SW on the vocals. It was apparently written during The Incident era, but probably been worked on since then.

I would’ve maybe been interested in a show, but no date for Norway, at least so far.

I’m sure they could revitalize the band, but more of the PT sound is frankly not on the top of my wishlist for Christmas. I can still listen to PT and have a good time, but in my head it fits in the late 90’s, early 20’s more than 2022. But I won’t write them off before the album is out.


Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: November 01 2021 at 08:41
Harridan is excellent!! I already listened couple times. Pre-ordered the 45RPM vinyl version as well the black LP/CD set. Was not planning on this but when I logged in to Burning Shed it showed me all versions sold out except the vinyl/CD bought that. Then PT website showed me the 45RPM set which is what I wanted anyhow, ordered that one.
I may just sell the other one, this album will sell out in a day or two, and on release date next year these will be uber expensive on Discogs and the bay.

Buy now or cry later people!


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Posted By: TCat
Date Posted: November 01 2021 at 09:41
Okay, the first single is quite impressive.  I'm going to order that same 45 RPM 3-disc vinyl boxset.

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Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: November 01 2021 at 09:44
Harridan sounds pretty damn good.

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Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: November 01 2021 at 09:47
Pretty stoked for this record and the tour that goes with it! The song sounds better than anything on the Incident, minus a few songs!


Posted By: rushaholic
Date Posted: November 01 2021 at 10:56
very pleasantly surprised given his last solo effort.

snagged the deluxe cd set this AM before selling out.


Posted By: yogev
Date Posted: November 01 2021 at 10:57
Incredble news!!! I still cant belive this is true, and the new single is fire. Im really suprized that Steven wanted to do a reunion, he's did'nt relese a prog album in the last like five years and I did'nt thought he was going to, so I wonder if he's doing it for the fans or the money or for himself...

(also I am wondering who is gonna be the bassist on the tour)


Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: November 01 2021 at 12:45
Well, that preview track on YouTube is a blinder.

CD preordered from Burning Shed.


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Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: November 01 2021 at 12:53
Hopefully this will be better than The Incident

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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: November 01 2021 at 13:53
Originally posted by yogev yogev wrote:

Incredble news!!! I still cant belive this is true, and the new single is fire. Im really suprized that Steven wanted to do a reunion, he's did'nt relese a prog album in the last like five years and I did'nt thought he's going to. So I wonder if he's doing it for the fans or the money or for himself...

(also I am wondering who is gonna be the bassist on the tour)
Initially guessing it will be Nick Beggs, he's played with SW for several years now and been playing a lot of PT material on the SW solo tours. I love his playing, wondering what's up with Colin Edwin??


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Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: November 01 2021 at 13:54
Sounds pretty good but I'm not going to fork out for it 8 months in advance of the release date, even if there are limited editions.


Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: November 01 2021 at 15:02
Yes, apparently they are. New song is up on youtube now.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AW5v4Ohxk5k&list=RDAW5v4Ohxk5k&start_radio=1" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AW5v4Ohxk5k&list=RDAW5v4Ohxk5k&start_radio=1


Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: November 01 2021 at 15:03
Originally posted by Man With Hat Man With Hat wrote:

Hopefully this will be better than The Incident

I still never heard that one. I could listen to it on youtube I suppose but it's been out of print for a while it seems. I can't find a decent copy for a decent price anywhere. 


Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: November 01 2021 at 15:42
Decent tune. Didn't Steven frown on guitar playing for his last solo album? Glad he changed his mind. 

Not an auto buy, but will check it out when it's released. I'm guessing this thread will reach page 79 by June 2022. Smile


Posted By: progaardvark
Date Posted: November 01 2021 at 15:48
It's a nice teaser song. Now if that turns out to be the best song on the album, I'll be bummed. I'll order the standard CD in June; not really interested in the bonus material.

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Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: November 01 2021 at 16:08
Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by Man With Hat Man With Hat wrote:

Hopefully this will be better than The Incident

I still never heard that one. I could listen to it on youtube I suppose but it's been out of print for a while it seems. I can't find a decent copy for a decent price anywhere. 

I wouldn’t bother too much. It really was a poor album, extremely disappointing.


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Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: November 01 2021 at 19:35
Here's an article about the rumours which are true! I hope it's good. PT better not let us down like.....
http://metalinjection.net/av/new-music/porcupine-tree-reunites-streams-new-song-harridan?fbclid=IwAR3xaGFSVfjOGBZ77tOgBkf0qIt3cLqJN8K1h6CqQSCJ4ohAqA0oiBzOY0Q" rel="nofollow -
http://metalinjection.net/av/new-music/porcupine-tree-reunites-streams-new-song-harridan?fbclid=IwAR3xaGFSVfjOGBZ77tOgBkf0qIt3cLqJN8K1h6CqQSCJ4ohAqA0oiBzOY0Q" rel="nofollow - https://metalinjection.net/av/new-music/porcupine-tree-reunites-streams-new-song-harridan?fbclid=IwAR3xaGFSVfjOGBZ77tOgBkf0qIt3cLqJN8K1h6CqQSCJ4ohAqA0oiBzOY0Q


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Posted By: Jeffro
Date Posted: November 02 2021 at 05:21
Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by Man With Hat Man With Hat wrote:

Hopefully this will be better than The Incident

I still never heard that one. I could listen to it on youtube I suppose but it's been out of print for a while it seems. I can't find a decent copy for a decent price anywhere. 

I wouldn’t bother too much. It really was a poor album, extremely disappointing.

Disappointing sums it up very well. Other than Time Flies (which is great) the album isn't all that good.











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Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: November 02 2021 at 09:47
Originally posted by progaardvark progaardvark wrote:

It's a nice teaser song. Now if that turns out to be the best song on the album, I'll be bummed. I'll order the standard CD in June; not really interested in the bonus material.

I agree with progaardvark,  I thought the track was mediocre and I hope the LP is better than that.
I'll also wait for the reg cd....



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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: November 02 2021 at 09:52
Originally posted by mathman0806 mathman0806 wrote:

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ, etc., etc.


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Posted By: dougmcauliffe
Date Posted: November 02 2021 at 11:02
I actually think that's a pretty strong song, I've gotten a lot of replay value out of it so far

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Posted By: mcdonaa
Date Posted: November 02 2021 at 14:18
Originally posted by dougmcauliffe dougmcauliffe wrote:

I actually think that's a pretty strong song, I've gotten a lot of replay value out of it so far


I agree. This is often the case with Steven Wilson songs. They don't necessarily grab you at first, but on repeated plays and familiarity you end up liking them.


Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: November 02 2021 at 19:15
Pretty good I'd say. I can imagine it working very well live. If I have any issue it's that it shouts "I'm complex prog" a bit too loudly at me.


Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: November 02 2021 at 20:13
Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

Pretty good I'd say. I can imagine it working very well live. If I have any issue it's that it shouts "I'm complex prog" a bit too loudly at me.


Wow! That far surpassed my expectations. I'm so happy my fears were totally wrong. If the album sounds anything like this excellent track then i'm definitely on board!

Actually i'm STOKED that it's screaming COMPLEX PROG as loud as it can! My kinda sheeeeeeeet!


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Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: November 02 2021 at 21:50
Yes! Definitely better than the Future Bites!


Posted By: Zeph
Date Posted: November 03 2021 at 02:13
It was nice to hear Harrison again in a PT song. His style is perfect for the band.


Posted By: Ronstein
Date Posted: November 03 2021 at 03:05
Playing Wembley Arena on 11th November 2022!


Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: November 03 2021 at 05:33
Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by mathman0806 mathman0806 wrote:

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ, etc., etc.
I was just listening through dr wu's ears. Wink This is not really a bad song. It's prog, so that's what's important. So, there's hope.

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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: November 03 2021 at 08:54
Originally posted by Jeffro Jeffro wrote:

Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by Man With Hat Man With Hat wrote:

Hopefully this will be better than The Incident

I still never heard that one. I could listen to it on youtube I suppose but it's been out of print for a while it seems. I can't find a decent copy for a decent price anywhere. 

I wouldn’t bother too much. It really was a poor album, extremely disappointing.

Disappointing sums it up very well. Other than Time Flies (which is great) the album isn't all that good.

Hi,

I do not think it was that bad, as folks think, although I sure did miss the tripping part of the music which was gone in favor of songs. Were it a single album with one or two things taken out, I think it would have been way better, but it wasn't to be.

Not sure what to expect on a new PT album, and I will listen to it, but (in general) these kinds of rehashes don't go far with me, and I have never found one that was better than the original. I don't know, btw, if it is my imagination or not, but this particular song sounds like it was mailed in, not played together in a studio at all. While I do not dislike Gavin at all, I think he is way too mechanical to be a good trippy drummer, and in my book the stuff he does in this piece is not worth the mention and in fact, even in slower stuff, he is just keeping up time, instead of adding to the moment! Just poor drumming design!

I think my money is going for the newer bands and material out there ... there is too much GREAT stuff out there to be spending it on someone that is over-fed and has enough money!


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Posted By: Deadwing
Date Posted: November 03 2021 at 08:56
A like The Incident more than FoaBP, it's just a matter of tastes, IMO


Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: November 03 2021 at 08:57
Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Originally posted by yogev yogev wrote:

Incredble news!!! I still cant belive this is true, and the new single is fire. Im really suprized that Steven wanted to do a reunion, he's did'nt relese a prog album in the last like five years and I did'nt thought he's going to. So I wonder if he's doing it for the fans or the money or for himself...

(also I am wondering who is gonna be the bassist on the tour)
Initially guessing it will be Nick Beggs, he's played with SW for several years now and been playing a lot of PT material on the SW solo tours. I love his playing, wondering what's up with Colin Edwin??

Hi,

Nick, I think, will be a much more interesting and better player for the new PT. I think that Nick works on "the sound" a lot more than Colin did, which I imagine that his main focus was always the continuity of the piece and not the flash. But sometimes, a little more than just notes is needed, and Nick can provide that often enough, and might have more flexibility than Colin did.


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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: November 03 2021 at 22:35
Originally posted by Deadwing Deadwing wrote:

A like The Incident more than FoaBP, it's just a matter of tastes, IMO
I am someone who really likes The Incident, but not more than Fear Of A Blank Planet. The bonus material on The Incident is very good, especially Bonnie the Cat.


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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: November 04 2021 at 01:35
Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

It was a phenomenally talented band for sure. John Wesley hardly gets a mention on this thread yet he's a brilliant guitarist.
The problem is simple , can they better or at least equal what they did on In Absentia , Deadwing and Fear Of A Blank Planet? No chance whatsoever. It happened, it was great and it's done. I even go to seem them a couple of times live so that's done and dusted. I don't need Steven Wilson sneering at me from the stage again lol.


If The Incident was anything to go by, then yes they had expended all their fuel after FOABP. The Incident was a yawn fest for me. I was kind of done with them really. I came to PT very late, around the time of Deadwing, although FOABP was the first album I heard end to end, and they completely blew my mind, for a relatively short time.

I would still rank In Absentia somewhere in my top 20 prog albums of all time.

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Posted By: nick_h_nz
Date Posted: November 04 2021 at 02:09
I love The Incident, and it’s easily top five PT for me. I tend to prefer their earlier material, and I’ve always felt that The Incident had more in common with, say Down the Upstair or Signify, than Fear of a Blank Planet or Deadwing. Generally speaking, those who are most disappointed with The Incident seem to be big fans of the three heavier albums that preceded it, and those who like it, are often those who like the earlier psychedelic style.

I also tend to agree with Pedro, in terms of drumming. Even if Gavin Harrison is the technically superior drummer, I far prefer Chris Maitland’s drumming for PT. For sure, I can understand why SW made the switch, when he moved to a heavier sound. But the best PT drumming for me is Chris on the Coma Divine live album (which remains my favourite PT release of all time).

I’ve not yet listened to Harridan, as I don’t like to listen to singles ahead of an album anymore. But I did listen to the short seconds long snippet that was the first promo, and I really liked that it sounded like a mix of The Future Bites and The Incident. Even when SW was telling the world he would never go back to PT he was saying that had the band carried on, the music they made wouldn’t have been so dissimilar to what he was making as SW. That short snippet bears it out, being a natural follow-on from both The Incident and TFB.



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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: November 10 2021 at 17:37
Originally posted by nick_h_nz nick_h_nz wrote:

I love The Incident, and it’s easily top five PT for me. I tend to prefer their earlier material, and I’ve always felt that The Incident had more in common with, say Down the Upstair or Signify, than Fear of a Blank Planet or Deadwing. Generally speaking, those who are most disappointed with The Incident seem to be big fans of the three heavier albums that preceded it, and those who like it, are often those who like the earlier psychedelic style.

I also tend to agree with Pedro, in terms of drumming. Even if Gavin Harrison is the technically superior drummer, I far prefer Chris Maitland’s drumming for PT. For sure, I can understand why SW made the switch, when he moved to a heavier sound. But the best PT drumming for me is Chris on the Coma Divine live album (which remains my favourite PT release of all time).

I’ve not yet listened to Harridan, as I don’t like to listen to singles ahead of an album anymore. But I did listen to the short seconds long snippet that was the first promo, and I really liked that it sounded like a mix of The Future Bites and The Incident. Even when SW was telling the world he would never go back to PT he was saying that had the band carried on, the music they made wouldn’t have been so dissimilar to what he was making as SW. That short snippet bears it out, being a natural follow-on from both The Incident and TFB.


According to the documentary Making of In Absentia, that was released on YT a week ago SW released Chris due to Chris having some issues (personal sounded like) as well struggling with some of the new music. I did not get the sense SW wanted to do this but he was more forced into doing it based on how Chris was acting. PT had just signed on with Lava and were given carte blanche in NY to create In Absentia and he was scared the record company was gonna flip...."You just fired your drummer!!!!"
Richard called Gavin and convinced him to come play and record this album as a session player, SW was blown away at his playing, as well Gavin proving he could play a more harder/metal type drumming as needed. It was not till after the album was finished and they all were back in UK that they invited Gavin to become a band member.
It's a long watch like 1.5 hours but highly informative and SW declares In Absentia his fav PT record, the best songs they have written and recorded.


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Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: November 10 2021 at 19:43
Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by mathman0806 mathman0806 wrote:

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ, etc., etc.
I was just listening through dr wu's ears. Wink This is not really a bad song. It's prog, so that's what's important. So, there's hope.

Heh...who said you could borrow my ears...?    Wink
It's not a 'bad' song but it's not a great song either.....and it is prog. I still hope there are better songs on the album.


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Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: November 10 2021 at 19:57
Originally posted by nick_h_nz nick_h_nz wrote:

I love The Incident, and it’s easily top five PT for me. I tend to prefer their earlier material, and I’ve always felt that The Incident had more in common with, say Down the Upstair or Signify, than Fear of a Blank Planet or Deadwing. Generally speaking, those who are most disappointed with The Incident seem to be big fans of the three heavier albums that preceded it, and those who like it, are often those who like the earlier psychedelic style.

I also tend to agree with Pedro, in terms of drumming. Even if Gavin Harrison is the technically superior drummer, I far prefer Chris Maitland’s drumming for PT. For sure, I can understand why SW made the switch, when he moved to a heavier sound. But the best PT drumming for me is Chris on the Coma Divine live album (which remains my favourite PT release of all time).

I’ve not yet listened to Harridan, as I don’t like to listen to singles ahead of an album anymore. But I did listen to the short seconds long snippet that was the first promo, and I really liked that it sounded like a mix of The Future Bites and The Incident. Even when SW was telling the world he would never go back to PT he was saying that had the band carried on, the music they made wouldn’t have been so dissimilar to what he was making as SW. That short snippet bears it out, being a natural follow-on from both The Incident and TFB.



My favorite drumming in PT is also on Coma Divine, which also is my favourite album from the band. However, I still got to get some of the studio albums with Maitland. The Warszawa album is a good companion to Coma Divine, though.


Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: November 12 2021 at 06:45
Hi,

Honestly, I hope the band does not come around. I am not enthused with the drumming in that song, and find it "cheap" and not quite well defined (probably a time thing if Gavin was on the road!), and maybe, just maybe ... I need a break from SW and his hand everywhere. And rehashes are getting tiresome!

You would think that after doing something like "Routine" (outstanding specially the live version with Ninet) that he would realize that he can do something more interesting than just a song with his over __________ view of things that he thinks are important.

I would prefer that PT buried the hatchet and let it go at that, although I imagine that a couple of the folks might like the extra money they can make with it, but a new PT won't be a band effort ... it will be a SW effort, and I'm not sure that it will get off the ground! This song shown here is a SW effort, not a 
PT song!


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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: November 12 2021 at 06:52
Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Hi,

Honestly, I hope the band does not come around. I am not enthused with the drumming in that song, and find it "cheap" and not quite well defined (probably a time thing if Gavin was on the road!), and maybe, just maybe ... I need a break from SW and his hand everywhere. And rehashes are getting tiresome!

You would think that after doing something like "Routine" (outstanding specially the live version with Nina) that he would realize that he can do something more interesting than just a song with his over __________ view of things that he thinks are important.

I would prefer that PT buried the hatchet and let it go at that, although I imagine that a couple of the folks might like the extra money they can make with it, but a new PT won't be a band effort ... it will be a SW effort, and I'm not sure that it will get off the ground! This song shown here is a SW effort, not a 
PT song!

so because you did not like the song much, the band should just quit making music altogether, right? Wacko


Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: November 20 2021 at 07:30
Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

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so because you did not like the song much, the band should just quit making music altogether, right? Wacko

Hi,

Not at all ... I liked the song, but it is not a PT piece, but a SW song in my book.

I (honestly) think that it is time for new music and there is a lot of it out there that deserves the attention that it is not getting ... and that when you hear this piece, it seems empty and just not "on it", in my book.

Lately I have been listening to AGUSA and when you hear their latest album it makes what SW did on this song just sound so poor and so uninspired, and (like I said) just mailed in ... but I have always been about NEW MUSIC and will continue to be so, and I have been with PT for almost 25 years, and then SW ... and it is time for something new ... and it has nothing to do with whether it is good or bad ... I don't look at music as SONGS that we like or don't like ... it's all music, and SW is fine, as is PT ... but I found better and more valuable materials for these days, than SW and PT. 

I wish, that some more folks had this attitude about "progressive" and new music, but somehow we keep going back to the same song and the same thing. I have not figured out why, except that we all need make up for our faces because we don't like what we see? And a lot of our tastes seem to reflect the idea that we had before ... not anything else, I don't think!


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Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: November 20 2021 at 23:26
^ So, don't listen to new Porcupine Tree, and listen to Agusa, and problem solved. That doesn't mean they should not make new music, only that you should not listen to it... or buy it... or whatever.


Posted By: Necrotica
Date Posted: November 20 2021 at 23:28
Originally posted by Dellinger Dellinger wrote:

^ So, don't listen to new Porcupine Tree, and listen to Agusa, and problem solved. That doesn't mean they should not make new music, only that you should not listen to it... or buy it... or whatever.

Seconded


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Won't you take me down, to the underground
Why oh why, there is no light
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Posted By: nick_h_nz
Date Posted: November 21 2021 at 02:35
Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

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so because you did not like the song much, the band should just quit making music altogether, right? Wacko

Hi,

Not at all ... I liked the song, but it is not a PT piece, but a SW song in my book.

I think it’s a little disingenuous to suggest that a song is not PT, but rather SW, as I’m not sure there really has ever been a difference between the two. The often brought-up idea that PT “went as far they could” is a little ridiculous to me, as it implies that they were incapable of changing their sound and taking it in a different direction. They were clearly capable of that, so I don’t think at all that they took it as far as they could. You could, however, say that they ran out of steam, or at least, motivation to take it further.

I think the biggest thing is that SW had always been a bit of a control freak, and PT had begun with him having complete control, and by the end the group dynamic was something he was tiring of. I think people read too much, or perhaps simply read the wrong thing, into the statements that PT had gone as far as they could, in interviews after the breakup of the band. People assumed and inferred this meant the music, but I think it was more the personnel. Over time, interviews with SW certainly seemed to imply to me (or, yes, I inferred) that it was more down to SW wanting to perform with different musicians, and not need to share the writing of the music with them, than anything else.

Im fact, SW has said in several interviews now that if PT had continued, they would have continued, more or less, in the direction of his solo albums - so theoretical PT albums wouldn’t have been much different from the SW albums we know, except for the fact that the individual musicians involved would have put their stamp and personality into the music.

Recent interviews have also made much of the fact that SW is more willing to take a back seat than he ever was. He’s a family man now, and he’s happy to let others do more. Reading between the lines, one of the major reasons for breaking up PT (tiring of the band dynamic and wanting to be 100% in control again) was no longer an issue. The reunion was almost inevitable, I feel.

As for why Colin is not involved, it has long been reported that one individual had less interest in a reunion, and/or there were issues between one member and the others. All we know now is who that is (though Colin had always been the prime suspect). I don’t know why that is, and I don’t know why it always seemed to be Colin that people assumed was the odd man out. As harsh as it might seem, it doesn’t really bother me. PT has always been SW and whatever musicians he chooses to play with, whether under the PT or SW name.

When PT changed from a solo venture into a band, Gavin wasn’t part of the band, but Colin was. Now Gavin is part of the band, but Colin isn’t. It’s all SW, and as much as the various musicians provide to the music of PT, they are all disposable. I actually wish SW had kept the PT name for all his solo releases - but perhaps he didn’t want to be compared to Robert Fripp, as he has never been comfortable with the prog label (despite being very obviously prog).



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Posted By: rushaholic
Date Posted: November 21 2021 at 11:32
Originally posted by Necrotica Necrotica wrote:

Originally posted by Dellinger Dellinger wrote:

^ So, don't listen to new Porcupine Tree, and listen to Agusa, and problem solved. That doesn't mean they should not make new music, only that you should not listen to it... or buy it... or whatever.

Seconded


thought same.  i think it is great that steven wilson is making something new with PT.  love it.  maybe it helps SW get over his pop kick and move on to better things.


Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: November 21 2021 at 19:23
Originally posted by rushaholic rushaholic wrote:

Originally posted by Necrotica Necrotica wrote:

Originally posted by Dellinger Dellinger wrote:

^ So, don't listen to new Porcupine Tree, and listen to Agusa, and problem solved. That doesn't mean they should not make new music, only that you should not listen to it... or buy it... or whatever.


Seconded


thought same.  i think it is great that steven wilson is making something new with PT.  love it.  maybe it helps SW get over his pop kick and move on to better things.


I didn't really desire so much that PT might return, since I was enjoying well enough Wilson's solo albums (The Raven would be my favourite album from him, including PT)... up until the last two, I guess (I haven't really even gotten a chance to buy the new one yet). Yet, if they release a new album, I'll just check it out and make up my mind wether I like it or not.


Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: November 21 2021 at 19:41
This guy says "Chill out and listen to the album!"

http://justfunfacts.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/porcupine-3.jpg" rel="nofollow">porcupine-3



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Posted By: Gentle and Giant
Date Posted: November 22 2021 at 08:01
^ Clever, I see what you did there a Porcupine in a Tree - therefore Rodent Branch Wink

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Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: November 22 2021 at 08:19
Originally posted by Gentle and Giant Gentle and Giant wrote:

^ Clever, I see what you did there a Porcupine in a Tree - therefore Rodent Branch Wink


That's SPIKY RODENT BRANCH. We don't want to mistake it for a rat with a bad hair day LOL


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