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Logan
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^ Mila, yep, and I personally would not be opposed to you doing it your way. I rather then would like the idea of the second choices being bonus ones to vote for (three votes for the primary nominations, and one vote for a bonus choice) but that's me, and this is your poll and your turn, not mine. I think these are flexible (I would hope so), although if making changes part way in, I would want to ask for opinions like you did if it was my turn. It's part of a series but each person can bring their own twists to it as I see it (certainly not against the forum rules). I think it was a good idea to bring it up as you did even if the consensus is of the "keep it the same" variety. In my Heaven and Hell poll I was going to just do one track per participant even though I didn't want to (I just felt like two duos in a row from me might seem a bit much), and then I was encouraged to do it as the duos soon after starting the poll.
Personally, I (excuse the tautology) would like to see these polls be free to try different and unexpected things and have new ideas coming into play within the same general framework. I'm a liberal-minded guy. I do understand that for some time constraints are a real issue, so some likely would prefer shorter polls and I felt concerned about nominating a 21 minute track this round, but then I did it anyway. I was encouraging in the last poll for a long track to be selected, and it did well in the votes. I like your idea. Edited by Logan - August 31 2021 at 23:34 |
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suitkees
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That doesn't seem like a good idea to me... I share your
enthusiasm for these polls, they're a great and fun way to share music,
but it takes time to listen and eventually to comment. So, packing all
the 25 slots just because we have them will not add much to these polls
but will possibly estrange some of our valuable contributors. I mean,
some already only listen to the final nominations (which, with say 15
participants, takes up between 1h30/2h listening time). When one listens
to all suggestions put up this easily doubles or triples the time
spent. Some just don't have or want to spend so much time on it. I
generally try to listen to all suggestions and comment on them all - I
do not always have the time and sometimes I don't get to the end of it.
In ten days the teaching season will start again and I will probably
have less time available than these last months. I
would actually prefer to encourage people to listen to all suggestions
(and comment on them), than to pack the final nominations list, but
again: it is time consuming. We have had some time consuming
polls (the duo polls, the album side poll) and they were extremely
interesting, but had less participants... I think it should be possible
to do these kind of polls every once in a while, but knowing that not
everybody who is generally participating will do so in these time
consuming ones. We also had a discussion
earlier to keep the number of suggestions down to two or maximum three.
This would possibly stimulate participants to listen to all music and
not just the nominations, but probably not for everyone. On the other
hand, it is fun to see sometimes a fourth suggestion (or even fifth)
coming up, as a result of the comments/discussions and it would be a
pity to exclude this kind of spontaneity and exchange. But still, it
takes time to listen to all of them and not everybody want/can invest
that in these wonderful polls. So, to cut a
long story short: I think that about 15 final nominations is a nice
average for these polls to keep everybody on board. We once had 25
nominations (I think it was your first participation, Mila?) and I
noticed that some were a bit overwhelmed by it... So was I actually, and
a next time I might be more reticent to comment on all of those
suggestions, despite the fact that I think that the comments add much
value to these polls (sometimes mine were very short, or just absent,
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Mila-13
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Thank you Nickie, I'm glad that you liked the videos! It was not so easy to find something appropriate about the entire continent. The first video is from National Geographic Kids, but they had the most beautiful pictures. Edited by Mila-13 - September 01 2021 at 04:56 |
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Lewian
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Of course some suggest four things totalling 18 minutes and sometimes a single proposal takes 23.
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Mila-13
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Now I can understand your concern, Kees. I did mention in the rules that 3 songs per participant would be reasonable but I can't ask people to delete their videos that they have already posted, can I? If we had less of those long pieces things would be a bit easier, too. I have not much experience with these polls here. I participate in a few online song contests but they work differently. There you have more people and shorter songs, 4-5 min at the max. Also people do comment on the music but much less than here and it is more competitive, you see? Edited by Mila-13 - September 01 2021 at 05:06 |
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^ No, no, Mila, you don't have to change anything. Things are going as they were going before, so all's fine. Your new suggestion is a valid one, but I'm just not in for it. @Lewian: you know, my three suggestions in your talk talk poll totalled up to 73 minutes... So I'm guilty as hell! (did I put up a fourth one...?)
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Mila-13
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@ Kees I think, compromise is the best solution in such a situation. Maybe the total length of the suggested songs should be decisive rather than the number of songs. But of course that would also affect the number of songs to some extent, indirectly. I mean, people could still share those long pieces if they wish, but out of competition, maybe or in a separate category as Greg has suggested earlier (bonus tracks). ;) Edited by Mila-13 - September 01 2021 at 06:41 |
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First thought on the rest of Page One:
Christian: Anoushka Shankar “Land of Gold” As expected, sitar music, but a British (I think)
vocalist, cello and toned metal drums set the stage. Understated mixture of East
and West, with two girls from oviously other cultures than each other walk with
each other in the video, illustrating the essence of the song. The music picks up in intensity. Another gorgeous piece in this poll. Cornelius “Audio Architecture” Live
performance this time. Ah,
whangles and curving keys and guitar notes start this one out. Very jazz feeling to me, but the vocals are
not really a jazz type vocal, kind of more spoken than sung. Some electronic wriggles and keyboard runs
provide punctuation throughout. Discordant sort of keyed horns and jumbled
vocal effects, then back to the main theme, than an abrupt ending. Talvin Singh “Seven Notes”
Sounds of great interest before even hearing it, from your
description. Almost keyboard tapping sounds
with soft keyboard tones, an eerie and plaintive voice enters, with lots of
echo and such. Some guitar notes play
here and there, then pick up again for a longer stretch in a repetitive
pattern. There is some scatting type of singing, again, I think he is uttering
drumbeats. Keyboards enter and play a
horn sort of sound, mizmar-ish, yet slightly deeper in tone. Haunting and mesmerizing. Shadowyzard: Quite looking forward to hearing some of the music of your homeland! Fatih Erkoc “Emmoglu” Live performance with a male vocalist doing what I think of as very classic Turkish vocal. Electric band is behind him, there is the sound of a ney, very quietly (may be being one on a keyboard). Band comes in, really modern song, sung in English. He does a good imitation of Louis Armstrong for a moment. Singer plays trumpet in a solo, then back to Turkish (Habibi means beloved, does it not?) classic type singing. Then sound of a santur (?) (again on keys?). Then sort of a Tom Jones performance, with microphone flourishes and such. Haktan Canevi “Beddua” Here we have Oriental orchestra setting, just beautiful music. Another classic Turkish type vocal, wondering how/if it will get switched up. This almost gets operatic in style, yet retaining obviously Turkish rather than Italian language, showcasing his range. Love the way everyone is clapping along and enjoying so much. Stunning, really quite enjoyed this one. Erkan Gümüşsuyu “Yıllar” Another Oriental Orchestra type setting with dumbek heard a bit more than in the two previous. Very smooth singing style, thinking this may be a much-loved song that he is covering? Very passionate performance, really hits those high notes. The orchestral melody is also very beautiful. The judges are very appreciative. I prefer the middle of the 3, however. Mike: Kahimi Karie “Lolitapop Dollhouse” This is much more rocky than many of the previous entrants. Makes me think a lot of punk, she talk/sings in a very little girl type voice over very raucous instrumentation. Compelling to listen to, even though I have no idea what she is singing. They way they layer it is much more sophisticated than punk. There is a break a bit over mid-way, to add interest. Jaminai “Prelude/Onda” I almost brought this myself, but like Mila, noticed that you’d reviewed them, so left them for you. I hope some here haven’t heard them yet, they are in for a wonderful surprise! Sales “Off and On” Definitely get the alt-rock vibe right from the start. There is a repeating guitar, bass and drums riffing under the female vocalist’s soft delivery. Lead guitar is sort surf-y, nice tone to it. Feels very much like a summer beach sort of tune, or driving on the coast. Edited by Snicolette - September 02 2021 at 07:45 |
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^ Thanks Nickie. In Fatih Erkoç's performance, the part with "habibi" is sung in Arabic actually. In the middle, he apologetically asks people, like "I hope no one here epeaks Arabic?" We borrowed (and adapted to our phonetic style) lots of words from Arabic, but we did the same from some Western languages too, mostly from French.
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Fareed Haque. Is father is Pakistani, mother is Chilean, and he fuses those influences and many more into some amazing guitar-based jazz-rock fusion.
His stage act includes traditional Pakistani and Indian instrumentation (Fareed plays the amazing fretless oud). |
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Nicky: Thanks, as always a great read! I was wondering whether the vocals might be a problem for Cornelius, they're rather, let's say, "functional", but the spectacular live show didn't leave me the option to pick something else.
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Hey, welcome on board! This is great stuff, indeed. Do you have an individual song that you want to share or could you please select one from this concert instead and tell me where it starts? Edited by Mila-13 - September 02 2021 at 04:24 |
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^ FYI, I don't deem my country as Middle-Eastern. Not that I get disturbed when someone does, but that is just a Westernized categorisation. Lots of Turks -generally the ones who see our public as inferior, immoral ignorants- agree with you, lots don't (including myself). A note here: I don't intend to insult the Middle-Easterners here. But, unfortunately, lots of Turks use the condition of being Middle-Eastern, with their wording as a slur. Bitter truth...
Ah, I also don't think that most of the Americans are stupid. That is also a common view in here. But, if I have to be honest, I think that there are LOTS of ignorants in Turkey and the USA. Perhaps we had better try to be like the Europeans in this regard. Edited by Shadowyzard - September 02 2021 at 08:18 |
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Oh, I certainly don't see any particular nation as "inferior," I'm fascinated with how other people live around the world and respect them their right to be different from my country. It also cuts both ways, usually ultra-extremism of any sort starts to lose my respect, as it tends to disallow other ways of being and often resorts to violence. And that goes for any in my own country as well, we've sadly seen a sharp uptick of extremism and bigotry here, over the last few years in particular. And sadly, there seems to be more ignorance of late here than ever before. But that's another topic altogether. Edited to add also that I wish my country would adopt policies, attitudes, and mores that I find to be more humane and inclusive from other countries. Edited by Snicolette - September 02 2021 at 08:23 |
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^ Well said, Nicky. I also edited my post and made a clarification. You may want to read it again.
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I also was inspired to edit my original response, for my country would do well to adopt much from other countries as well, at least in my opinion.
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First thoughts on Page Two entries, plus one addition.
Shadowyzard: Finn
Zierler “Beyond Twilight – Shadow Self” A
short, rapid piece on keyboarded organ sound, very dramatic. There is also a steady percussive sound and
the keys move into orchestral sounds as well, along with some clonking kinds of
sounds. Stops kind of abruptly.
Kees: Sounds
very interesting to me! Here we go. Altin Gün “Tatlı Dile Güler Yüze” Electric band with a Farfisa sounding organ, female
vocalist. Nice electric oud and saz,
maybe? Very 60’s/70’s as you said, I
really like what I’m hearing here. Very
plinky on the Farisa thingie. Great beat
for dancing, felt a wee bit short. Altin Gün “Şad Olup Gülmedim” Begins with some atmospheric whirring, quickly
goes into an inspired saz feature. Male
vocalist this time. Just gorgeous,
contemplative music. Altin Gün “Süpürgesi Yoncadan” This one has a very pointed electronic feel,
as you stated, sorta disco-y. I prefer
the first two to this, but it is always fun to hear that combination of ancient
and modern. Altin Gün ”Yüce Dağ Başında” Another electronic one, fun to see the band
here. Female singer again. A bit of an 80’s feel with the shimmery keys
and electronic drums, with handclaps. The
first two are strongest for me, here. Definitely
checking them out on bandcamp, thanks! I prophesy disaster: Baraka “Balinese Monkey Chant” Love the start with the bell-percussion instruments. Here again are a bunch of vocalizations, that sound like drum beats to my ear, but as I don’t know the language, it could be my ignorance. Reminds me of a Balinese “Meetings With Remarkable Men,” as far as the video goes. Chanting in unison and making more of the vocalizations, in a large choreographed scene. Fascinating! Kinda makes one want some of what they’re having, lol! Edited by Snicolette - September 02 2021 at 18:16 |
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That part is from Beyond Twilight's sophomore album Section X's song entitled Shadow Self. I think that "steady percussive sound" serves as a metronome click. Finn Zierler must have used it for perfect precision in playing. I think he succeeded. I guess he was practicing for the recording there. Thanks for your take. Edited by Shadowyzard - September 03 2021 at 01:22 |
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