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Excellent, interesting theme. I found it, however, rather difficult to think of suitable songs and I'll admit I'm not 100% satisfied with my choices but here goes anyway. 

Tuomari Nurmio (Judge Nurmio) is a Finnish singer/songwriter active since late 1970s. He has done records in various styles, but there's often a bluesy and folksy tone. "Ei kukaan" ("nobody" or "no one") is from his 1988 album "Kuu" ("the moon") and tells about a kind of eternal wanderer who doesn't know where he's going to or coming from nor who he is anymore. 

Tuomari Nurmio - Ei kukaan



Vesa-Matti Loiri is a hugely popular Finnish actor (since 1960s) and singer (since 1970s). He was probably the most popular Finnish comedian in 70s and 80s. This song is from his latest and, according to him, last album "Pyhät tekstit" ("sacred texts"). All the lyrics on the album are from different religious or philosophical books, either direct quotations or adaptations. This one is called "Sielun pohjalla" ("at the bottom of the soul") and it's based on Hindu teachings and writings. 

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And how could I (or anyone) resist posting this....

Tungevaag & Raaban - "Samsara"



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^ You should be ashamed of yourself!  Wink

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Originally posted by Hiram Hiram wrote:


Tuomari Nurmio (Judge Nurmio) is a Finnish singer/songwriter active since late 1970s. He has done records in various styles, but there's often a bluesy and folksy tone. "Ei kukaan" ("nobody" or "no one") is from his 1988 album "Kuu" ("the moon") and tells about a kind of eternal wanderer who doesn't know where he's going to or coming from nor who he is anymore. 


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Hiram, I can't "see" this one, maybe this one is it?  Of course, you may not be able to see it, either.  It's 4:21 in length and the first frame is a guy with a bag on his head, then a Guy Fawkes mask, etc.




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Originally posted by Snicolette Snicolette wrote:

Originally posted by Hiram Hiram wrote:


Tuomari Nurmio (Judge Nurmio) is a Finnish singer/songwriter active since late 1970s. He has done records in various styles, but there's often a bluesy and folksy tone. "Ei kukaan" ("nobody" or "no one") is from his 1988 album "Kuu" ("the moon") and tells about a kind of eternal wanderer who doesn't know where he's going to or coming from nor who he is anymore. 


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Hiram, I can't "see" this one, maybe this one is it?  Of course, you may not be able to see it, either.  It's 4:21 in length and the first frame is a guy with a bag on his head, then a Guy Fawkes mask, etc.


Yes, it's the same song. 

edit: ...almost! The version I posted has a harmonica solo after every chorus, whereas the one you posted has a guitar solo. Damn, I haven't heard that before. Maybe it's an alternative version included on some reissue of the album? The one with the harmonica is the original version on the album. It's exactly the same otherwise.

edit 2: The version with guitar solos instead of harmonica appears on a compilation, it seems.  


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Originally posted by Hiram Hiram wrote:


Yes, it's the same song. 
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Excellent, thank you!
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Snicolette, please see my edited post above. 
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Originally posted by suitkees suitkees wrote:

^ You should be ashamed of yourself!  Wink

I only did what everyone else secretly wanted to do.....LOL

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Sorry for having been absent from my own poll. I had my first covid jab the other day, and the side effects laid me low big time. It wasn’t quite so horrendous as when I actually had covid, but it still wasn’t a pleasant experience. In terms of recent interactive polls, it was certainly more hell than heaven. I’ll be editing this post as I listen to the music from the first page, while I try to catch up.

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Alice Coltrane - Much of Alice Coltrane’s music perfectly captures samsara, and often (probably always) intentionally so. This is one of my favourite Alice Coltrane albums. I really love what she did with the harp in the context of jazz. The harp is such a wonderful instrument that can be used in a variety of musical styles and genres, but rarely is. I enjoy Alice Coltrane’s piano playing, too, but it is on the harp that she really draws me in.


Popul Vuh - My two favourite PV albums are the debut and the album from which this track is taken. I realise most people prefer Hosianna Mantra and beyond, but for me these two albums are far more interesting and enjoyable. I can totally get why you would think of this track for this poll. Two absolutely superb choices, and the only reason I’m unlikely to give a vote for either if one becomes your nomination, is because I am already familiar with both. But I also love both so much, I will be tempted to break that self-imposed “rule”!


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Donovan - Holy crap! I didn’t even know this album existed. Donovan is a hugely overlooked artist, even though he had great success back in the day, he’s largely forgotten about when people speak about the great music of the ‘60s. I love so much of his classic material, that it never occurred to me he might still be making music - and from these three tracks alone, some of the most breathtakingly beautiful music he’s ever made. In terms of samsara, it would be near impossible to deny that Nirvana doesn’t fit, given that (depending on religious belief, and accompanying definition) nirvana and mukti are largely the same concept. Nirvana is my favourite of the three songs here, but The Evernow is snapping at its heels.


Nickie 


Dhafur Youssef - I was introduced to this amazing artist only earlier this year (to be precise in April by Leonardo Pavkovic), and was instantly enamoured. My favourite performances I have watched/listened to are the phenomenally talented quartet of Youssef, Tigran Hamasyan, Chris Jennings, and Mark Guiliana. Les Ondes Orientales is another Dhafur Youssef piece I think fits nicely with the idea of samsara. A great suggestion, Nickie!


Sam Philips - Possibly an odd choice given she began as a Christian music artist, and although moved to the mainstream (or, at least the fringes of it) and away from Christian music, on the surface Christianity would appear to not really have much in common with the idea of samsara. However, I can totally hear why you’ve submitted this song. I’ve always liked any Sam Philips music I’ve heard, but I’ve never listened to an album. This song is new to me, and I really like it. It might be the push for me to finally listen to an album. Apart from the apt description you give to this song, even without listening, the concept of samsara could also easily be described as tripping over gravity. 


Lavinia Meijer - I love this piece, but I’m afraid I didn’t get the samsara vibe. That’s done to me, though - as unless samsara is overtly and explicitly referenced, it is totally down to individual interpretation. So I’m sure you have good reason for this speaking of samsara to you.


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Nigel Stanford - Well, for patriotic reasons, I have to applaud your submitting a Kiwi composer!  I think I would perhaps have gone for something from Timescapes (perhaps The Approaching Light?) over Solar Echoes, but I can still get where you’re coming from.


Occultation - Oh yeah, this track screams samsara. Never heard of this band, but I like them. They remind me a little of Dool, though they don’t have a great deal of sonic similarity, so much as they are seem to similarly inspired conceptually - even if they go in quite different directions. I’m definitely going to check out more by this band.


Alternativ Quarter - Another band that’s new to me, that I think I have to check out! They remind me quite a bit of Indukti (who, of course have a track called Sansara - an alternative spelling of samsara). This definitely fits the feel of samsara, and it feels like you’ve presented them on a scale (to me, I guess it is important to add) of increasing feeling of samsara, which is really near, as it feels like the increasing realisation of being caught in samsara, which is necessary before reaching mukti.


Kees


La Féline - I love this song! The Interactive Polls are such a great way to be introduced to music I’d likely never come across otherwise. I have to admit, without the title, and without you having given the lyrics, I probably wouldn’t have realised this song was as fitting as it is. But it absolutely is, and I will be investigating this band further.


A Winged Victory for the Sullen - I’ll admit, I wasn’t aware of this band until The Undivided Five was released a couple of years back, but I did try and make up for lost time, so this track is familiar to me. And yes, it definitely fits. Nice one!


Arvo Pärt - This is pretty much samsara - our life (/lives) in an infinity of mirrors. It’s one of the best encapsulations of samsara in musical form presented so far, and also one of my favourite pieces presented so far. So it’s a winner on two counts, for me. But as I’m familiar with it, it means I’d be unlikely to vote for it, no matter how much I love it.


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The Godfathers - Haven’t heard this one, but it’s actually exactly what I was thinking of, in a way. A lot of songs and albums that address samsara do not necessarily do so knowingly, so much as express the concept of samsara within the lyrics. This is a perfect representation of that. Not really to my taste, but it is more obviously about samsara (to me) than some other submissions so far.


Talk Talk - Like Sam Philips earlier, this is an interesting one, as Talk Talk music is very often full of Christian imagery, and the name of After the Flood, as well as the lyrics seem to point to to story of Noah and the arc - but it’s also very vague and allegorical. I’ve read people suggest it’s about the Holocaust, or about personal salvation, or, or, or…. And it’s easy to read into it the idea of karma, reincarnation and rebirth, so I can see why it could be considered for this poll. Life’s What You Make, again, might be Christian based, but by title and lyrics it is also very easy to connect to samsara. Great band, and great song choices. But I would guess, as you suggested, that if you put either up for nomination, neither would garner many votes, as most people here tend not to vote for songs they already know.


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Dan Deacon - Showing that the path self-discovery and inner peace need not be quiet! This song works, though so do others from the same album. Become a Mountain, the Arp suite (particularly Arp II and Arp III) and Fell Into the Ocean all feel as much about samsara as Sat by a Tree. Good choice, and I hope some others dig this.


Mike


M. Ward - never heard of M. Ward, but this is a nice wee song, and for sure is a good example of samsara, just as you describe. It’s not really to my taste, and I’m not sure why, as I like quite a bit of folk and singer songwriter sort of stuff. Maybe I just need to hear more. I shall listen further…




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^ That's awkward, those side effects. I had my second jab this week and fortunately no particular side effects.

Wanted to post a third suggestion, the most minimalist of the three (and I know already that Anders will not like this one...).
I discovered the music of Arvo Pärt thanks to the film Gerry (a wonderful - minimalist - film, my preferred one by Gus van Sant), which is completely about wandering (and getting lost), so this music is for me completely associated with this theme. This piece has different versions, either for violin and piano or for violoncello and piano. I choose the latter one because I very much love the violoncello as instrument... The performance here is by Filipe Melo (piano) and Ana Cláudia Serrão (violoncelo).

Arvo Pärt - Spiegel im Spiegel:





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Originally posted by suitkees suitkees wrote:

^ That's awkward, those side effects. I had my second jab this week and fortunately no particular side effects.

Everyone I know who has had both jabs, either had no side effects with either, or side effects only with the first jab. So I’m feeling hopeful that I won’t have to go through this a third time!

I discovered the music of Arvo Pärt thanks to Steven Wilson. This young composer reminds me a bit of Arvo Pärt, which is not to say he sounds alike, of course.

https://jacklogankennedy.bandcamp.com/album/musique-classique-damour

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Snicolette, please see my edited post above. 
  Will see if I can find a harmonica one for comparison, thanks!

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Originally posted by nick_h_nz nick_h_nz wrote:

Originally posted by suitkees suitkees wrote:

^ That's awkward, those side effects. I had my second jab this week and fortunately no particular side effects.

Everyone I know who has had both jabs, either had no side effects with either, or side effects only with the first jab. So I’m feeling hopeful that I won’t have to go through this a third time!

I discovered the music of Arvo Pärt thanks to Steven Wilson. This young composer reminds me a bit of Arvo Pärt, which is not to say he sounds alike, of course.


  Sorry you had that reaction, Nick.  I hope you will find each day is better than the one before it from here on out.

Thank you for your thoughtful replies to my entries.  I had no idea that Sam Phillips had been a Christian artist first, this song was my introduction to her.  I think of Metamorphosis as being closely akin to Samsara, in the sense of something being one thing, yet becoming another, while still also being the same thing, the constancy and inevitability of change (but maybe that's just me).  I have been completely enthralled by Dhafer Youssef since Sean Trane introduced me to him on PA a few weeks ago.  I'd enjoyed some solo releases by Tigran Hamasyan over the last year, and was pleasantly surprised to see him here, as well.  
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Originally posted by Snicolette Snicolette wrote:

Thank you for your thoughtful replies to my entries.  I had no idea that Sam Phillips had been a Christian artist first, this song was my introduction to her.  I think of Metamorphosis as being closely akin to Samsara, in the sense of something being one thing, yet becoming another, while still also being the same thing, the constancy and inevitability of change (but maybe that's just me).

Oh, ok, now I understand. I guess in my head I never considered that way of thinking - and now that you’ve pointed it out to me, metamorphosis IS close to the concept of metempsychosis (which is how samsara is normally “categorised”), for the exact reason you give.

Funnily enough, Sam Phillips could have sung about metamorphosis, as it can be a Christian concept, while metempsychosis is not. I’m not a Christian myself, so I could get this horribly wrong, but from what I understand letting God into your life is he beginning of your metamorphosis, as anyone who belongs to Christ becomes a new person. Or something along those lines.

I have no problem with understanding why you and Lewian made your suggestions for Sam Philips and Talk Talk, as the songs can definitely be understood to represent samsara - but I think it is certainly a case of Barthes’s “Death of the Author”, as I’m fairly sure this won’t have been the meaning intended by the composers, who were both Christian, and often used Christian imagery and allegory in their lyrics.

I have no problem with metamorphosis being used, either, so I apologise if I perhaps brushed off your third suggestion. It simply didn’t occur to me how similar the concepts of metamorphosis and metempsychosis are. I’d like to blame it on covid brain fog, but I think it’s just because I can be quite thick at times….. 🤪

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Originally posted by nick_h_nz nick_h_nz wrote:

Oh, ok, now I understand. I guess in my head I never considered that way of thinking - and now that you’ve pointed it out to me, metamorphosis IS close to the concept of metempsychosis (which is how samsara is normally “categorised”), for the exact reason you give.

Yes, sometimes if you think of some philosophies for a bit and turn them around and upon themselves, you can find a similarity where you didn't think of one at first glance.  

Funnily enough, Sam Phillips could have sung about metamorphosis, as it can be a Christian concept, while metempsychosis is not. I’m not a Christian myself, so I could get this horribly wrong, but from what I understand letting God into your life is he beginning of your metamorphosis, as anyone who belongs to Christ becomes a new person. Or something along those lines.

Sam Phillips starting as a Christian and then eschewing that for her own spirituality, has a complete and opposite example in Moya Brennan, who began, with Clannad, and also solo, as more of an interpreter of more paganistic/Celtic pieces and then becoming a Christian artist.  Her second solo album, as Maire Brennan, "Misty Eyed Adventures," has some stunning paganistic pieces.  

I have no problem with metamorphosis being used, either, so I apologise if I perhaps brushed off your third suggestion. It simply didn’t occur to me how similar the concepts of metamorphosis and metempsychosis are. I’d like to blame it on covid brain fog, but I think it’s just because I can be quite thick at times….. 🤪

I think any time that anyone can blame anything not working properly on technology, illness or fatigue, one should certainly be allowed the indulgence.  Looking forward to hearing what you bring forth here.

  
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Originally posted by TCat TCat wrote:

And how could I (or anyone) resist posting this....

Tungevaag & Raaban - "Samsara"

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  Hi Mike, I can't see that one, either.  Can someone post another?  Or is it this one?


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Originally posted by nick_h_nz nick_h_nz wrote:

Originally posted by suitkees suitkees wrote:

^ That's awkward, those side effects. I had my second jab this week and fortunately no particular side effects.

Everyone I know who has had both jabs, either had no side effects with either, or side effects only with the first jab. So I’m feeling hopeful that I won’t have to go through this a third time!

I discovered the music of Arvo Pärt thanks to Steven Wilson. This young composer reminds me a bit of Arvo Pärt, which is not to say he sounds alike, of course.


  Nick, was there a particular piece from this for this poll, or is it just for enjoyment/discussion?  Either is fine, just wondering if you wanted to enter one of the selections.
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Originally posted by nick_h_nz nick_h_nz wrote:

Originally posted by suitkees suitkees wrote:

^ That's awkward, those side effects. I had my second jab this week and fortunately no particular side effects.

Everyone I know who has had both jabs, either had no side effects with either, or side effects only with the first jab. So I’m feeling hopeful that I won’t have to go through this a third time!

I discovered the music of Arvo Pärt thanks to Steven Wilson. This young composer reminds me a bit of Arvo Pärt, which is not to say he sounds alike, of course.


  Nick, was there a particular piece from this for this poll, or is it just for enjoyment/discussion?  Either is fine, just wondering if you wanted to enter one of the selections.

No, that was purely for enjoyment/discussion, I haven’t decided on my selections yet. I ought to get onto that. I’m still playing catch-up on life after my lost days post-covid jab.

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^ LOL  Nice piece of work, but it maybe lacks a bit of development...

My personal take on the music put up so far:

Logan: Alice Coltrane takes me indeed on a wandering trip in a dreamlike environment - very appeasing, with a nice underlying groove. I actually know Popol Vuh mainly through their film music, but never delved into their album work. Maybe here too, I would like to have a film with it, it's a bit too ambient to my tastes. Not unpleasant, but it makes me longing for a soaring electric guitar now...

jamesbaldwin: Interesting choice! I know only Donovan's 60s music, so discovering here his more recent work. I won't suddenly become a Donovan fan, but it is a good listen, all three of them. From the three, I probably prefer The Evernow.

Snicolette: Dhafer Youssef delivers an incredible duet between clarinet and voice, wonderful, as is the track as a whole, with the electric guitar intro and later the oud together with the clarinet. Beautiful. Tripping Over Gravitiy by Sam Philips has a nice dreamy quality and I like the sonic quality of it, but it doesn't really wake me up. Lavinia Meijer playing Philip Glass on harp. Don't worry Nickie, I can cope with it, but the harp as solo instrument still doesn't convince me. Neither does this work by Glass (I very much like minimalist music but somehow Glass' music hardly ever convinced me, I don't know why - unless he plays something by Reich...).

Cristi: Sea of Tranquility by Nigel Stanford is the kind of electronic music that somehow leaves me completely cold and somehow Occultation sounds a bit too forced with the obligatory tempo changes on Forever Hereafter. But they create an interesting atmosphere. Alternativ Quartet is much more to my liking: For me this piece has much more musicality than your other two suggestions and conveys some emotion. Without hesitation my preferred one of your suggestions.

Lewian: Ah, a welcome change in the samsara pace with the Godfathers. In a similar vein I was thinking of King Crimson's Eat, Sex, Sleep, Drink, Dream... Nice straight rock song! Talk Talk, yes, very known, but a good choice here. Especially After the Flood fits the theme very well here. Great music!

mathman: I remember Dan Deacon and liked some of his work you presented in a previous poll, but not all. This one is much more "poppier" in a way. It's OK, but I'm not as convinced as with some of his other work (and the video fits the theme maybe better than the music...).

TCat: M Ward gives us a very nice uplifting song. Very americana, folky with a country flavor. I like this. The lyrics are indeed wonderful and maybe more "samsara" than the music itself... Never heard of Tungevaag & Raaban before and I hadn't now: shameful pop (but well, that means that it must be "popular" - not with me; aren't you afraid being banned from PA because of this? Wink)

Hiram: Wonderful, this bluesy contribution by Tuomari Nurmio. Maybe rather classic in a way, but I like it very much: a nice groove and good wandering atmosphere. With Vesa-Matti Loiri song I imagine myself wandering along the shore of one of those many Finnish lakes. I don't understand the lyrics, but he sure conveys something special. I really like both of your choices; maybe the latter has more singularity in it.



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