Just to break up the party I'm going with Paul Ferguson.

nick_h_nz wrote: Man With Hat wrote: I was hoping there would be jazz drummers here.  Copeland is the easy choice.  The OP makes it clear that this is not about jazz drummers. That is why there are no jazz drummers there.

nick_h_nz wrote: Grumpyprogfan wrote: siLLy puPPy wrote: When it comes to best drummers outside of metal / rock / prog, you must head straight to jazz of course. Art Blakey,  Buddy Rich, Max Roach, Gene Krupa, Billy Cobham, Billy Higgins, ELvin Jones and too many more to list. Great drummers. But why do so many ignore the OP? Blacksword wrote: Ok, so prog rock, hard rock and metal are synonamous with excellent drummers, but in the world of pop and punk, who stands out?? I think the problem, as is often the case in polls, is that not enough care is put into the title of the poll. I have seen many polls where the question asked is not answered as intended, but that is because the question is asked in the OP, and the title is ambiguous or misleading. If the heading said “Pop and Punk Drummers”, rather than “Non prog/metal/hard rock drummers”, then you likely wouldn’t have people going on about jazz drummers. You’d still get some, just because some people here never pay any attention to anything except the poll options, and if they don’t see who or what they want to see, they will post it. Chances are most of the people who vote other in this poll aren’t voting for an other pop or punk drummer, but an other drummer that isn’t actually an appropriate answer to the question posed. It is what it is.

Point taken, but if I were to include jazz drummers, they would romp home in the poll, and the pop/punk drummers wouldn't stand a chance. It's hard enough with the inclusion of Copeland

Why not start a separate thread for jazz drummers.

verslibre wrote: Blacksword wrote: Yes, true. I probably should have left him off the list. He's probably the mst technically skilled musician out of that lot too. It may be a landslide. It's a landslide, but Steve Jansen's awesome, too. Check this out.

Indeed. Great drummer, involved in a number of great projects. Jansen/Barberi' Stone to Flesh is a great album too.

Love Bestial Cluster.

I would never call Killing Joke pop/punk, the are industrial metal, punk, new wave, post punk, alternative metal

Edited by Icarium - March 26 2021 at 04:49

Blacksword wrote: Icarium wrote: I would never call Killing Joke pop/punk, the are industrial metal, punk, new wave, post punk, alternative metal Same could be said for The Cure and Souxsie I guess, but please don't start!

i wont.

i Voted Paul Ferguson btw, but the most underrated and most influentual member of Killing Joke whom is not mentioned enough is Martin 'Gordie' Walker, the most underrated and influentual rythem guitar player of the 80s equal with the Edge, highly identifiable and unique guitar sound and style, he have never played a guitar solo on any of their 26th or more releases, he keeps it to the chugging

Edited by Icarium - March 26 2021 at 05:10

I will also vote for Warran Can of Ultravox and i will lett wikipedia to sa it for me why.

" 1978 when Ultravox released the Systems of Romance album, Cann's style of drumming turned away from its rock roots and toward what was becoming the New Wave sound. He endeavoured to have extremely precise timing; this would make the songs with live drums match songs driven by electronic, programmed percussion. For an example of this, compare the song "Sleepwalk", where Cann plays live drums, to "Mr. X", where the drums are sequenced. Both of these tracks can be found on Vienna. Despite his machine-like timing, Cann would often do things that neither drum machines nor electronically sequenced percussion could do at the time. Specifically, he would often play very precise triplet fills and crescendos, especially on the snare drum. While these two techniques are easily accomplished by electronic instruments today, around 1979–1982 they were virtually impossible. In essence, it could fool the listeners to believe they were hearing a drum machine, only to prove them wrong through out-performing the rather rudimentary sequencing possibilities of the time". 000000

Edited by Icarium - March 26 2021 at 05:20

Terry Chambers, his drumming on Black Sea and English Settlement is superb and he formed one of the great rhythm sections with Colin Moulding. XTC lost something when he left.

Topper Headon, one of my biggest influences as a drummer and (I suppose) very underrated.

siLLy puPPy wrote: nick_h_nz wrote: siLLy puPPy wrote: nick_h_nz wrote: Man With Hat wrote: I was hoping there would be jazz drummers here.  Copeland is the easy choice.  The OP makes it clear that this is not about jazz drummers. That is why there are no jazz drummers there. No it doesn't. The OP is Non prog/metal/hard rock drummers To the best of my knowledge jazz is neither prog, metal or hard rock Jazz-fusion is not pure jazz OP means Opening Post. If you actually read the OP, you will see it is clear that this is not about jazz drummers. It specifically talks about pop and punk drummers. I’m not even sure why you put the “jazz-fusion is not pure jazz” part! 😄 Now that someone has changed the title it's clear but it wasn't when i first posted