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Since dr wu didn't say anything, I just picked his first submission. All the contestants are in, you can start voting Thumbs Up
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Forgot one:

Originally posted by Easy Money Easy Money wrote:

John Cale and Terry Riley   "Church of Anthrax"




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Playlist. I will update if needed.



https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL-zzvl_w6Fx7gQH2adbdgeVCe9KRTlqyn
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Originally posted by Easy Money Easy Money wrote:

Forgot one:
Sorry about that, I had the impression I was missing someone.

Originally posted by mathman0806 mathman0806 wrote:

Playlist. I will update if needed.
Cool, thanks George!
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OK, I am going to start the voting....As always, and I think it's actually increasing this factor, it was really hard to pin it down, everyone's contributions were great listening!  Samuel, you do need a special award for the idea of using a song to illustrate the poll itself, sheer brilliance!  Lorenzo, you get thanks for the original idea, as always, as does George for being so kind to wrap it all up in one place for us to listen to again.

Top 3 this time, for me:

1. Lorenzo:  Fabrizio De André “Khorakhané (A Forza di essere vento)”  Beautiful, soaring keys with an electric guitar begin the mournful piece.  Vocalist with much emotion tells the sad story.  A bell tolls with swelling orchestral touches.  Most of the production is very spare.  A woman sings at the very end of the piece, this one gave me chills....every single time I heard it, both versions.  

2.  Cristi:  Bruce Soord & Jonas Renkse “Pleasure”  Restrained production here to start, with drums and chorded guitar.  Keys make some mucky sounds underneath as the vocalist begins.  This is a pretty dark piece, I like the vocalist’s tone and the effected chorus-y echoes of his voice as well.  Keyboards underscore his voice, then a washy guitar lead after.  It’s a piece that has a sort of traditional rock structure, yet the music is not traditional.  Some strings near the end (maybe on keys) finish out the tune. My favourite of yours here.   This one stayed with me, too, it really battled with Lorenzo fiercely for first place.

3.  Logan:  Haco & Sakamoto Hiromichi “Zero Hills”  I very much like the beginning right away, with cello and violin duetting.  Mournful female singer then joins the cello played pizzicato and bowed saw (the theremin before the theremin was invented, lol), I think?  Very pretty and haunting piece, the interplay between her clear vocals and the deep, deep sounds of the plucked cello with the occasional resurgence of the higher pitched violin is just lovely.  A very quiet almost childlike chorus way back in the mix is added near the end of the piece, with the violin sliding into some dissonance as the piece quietly concludes, in a fade-out.  This one battled fiercely with Cristi for 2nd place.

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Mike:  Monsters of Folk “Dear God”  Light, almost poppy music with some nice harp glisses at the start 😊 Belies the sound at the beginning of a pop sort of song, as the song asks some serious questions.  I like the combination of a really modern production feel here, the chorus is sung in a very soulful way.  The guitar lead is tastefully done, as it comes in near the conclusion.  This one might come back to haunt me, I think

Easy Money:  John Cale & Terry Riley “Church of Anthrax”  Love love love the name!  :D  Organ and bass and some electronic keys and percussion set the scene.  Very back of front production, I enjoy the various layers as they enter the room and sit down in the pews, if you will.  This is very spacey in a good way.  It is fairly avant feeling, yet with a purpose, which the Yanni cover by Beck et al seemed to be trying too hard to me to achieve.  Violin comes along and joins the worshippers in the church, then saxophone, I think, perhaps tenor?  Or that could be done with keys, I don’t know.  But I very much enjoy the groove.  Are they accepting new members at the church?

George:  The Faces Staring Trio of Album Covers.  Jonas Hellborg, Buckethead & Michael Shrieve “Kidogo”  This has an almost jazzy feel to me, at least at first.   Very jittery guitars and keys with almost-ghostly vocals, back in the mix.  I really like the part(s) when they’re not singing and the bass, drums and guitars are just sort of jamming along.  The percussion is very sonically restrained, though very intense. They drop down about halfway in to very quiet guitar and some wonderful chorus-y sounds, like they’re coming from an underground labyrinth.  Very pretty punctuation on guitar drops in for a moment and then right back into the main tempo and sound of the whole band. The vocal chorus comes back right before the end.   This one could really grow on me

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suitkees:  Bozzio, Levin & Stevens “Lost”  Loved your choice, also, but this one would have been fighting for my 3 honourable mention spots.

dr Wu23:  Loved hearing that Plant/Krauss duet again, thank you!

Lewian:  Holger Czukay & Dr. Walker - Backup DreamThis one almost made it to the honourable mentions, but the problem for me, was too many things to like with everyone's entries!  I think I do have the most fun of all interpreting what you bring into some kind of verbiage, each time.

Hrychu:  The Recover Collective “Back at the Finja Shack” Wonderful for someone to put some of their own work in here!  Plus, this was so different from everything else.  Creative and fun. 

Tancos:  I think you must have entered too late to be counted, but wanted to thank you for the Philip Pickett & Richard Thompson & Fairport Folks  “Lo Ballo Dell-intorcia," hadn't heard that one before and it was pretty striking.
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my 3 choices
Philip Pickett with Richard Thompson - Forze D'hercole 
Monsters of Folk - Dear God
Jonas Hellborg, Buckethead, Michael Shrieve - Kidogo
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Tough one. Very good mix of songs and instrumentals. I settled into my top two, but it was a battle for the third.

1. Mr. Phillip Pickett with Mr. Richard Thompson & the Fairport Rhythm Section "Forze D'hercole/Lo Ballo Dell'intorcia

2. John Cale & Terry Riley "Church of Anthrax"

3. Bill Ward with Jack Bruce "Light Up the Candles"

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Bruce Soord With Jonas Renkse "Pleasure"

Fabrizio De André "Khorakhané"

Holger Czukay & Dr. Walker "Backup Dream"



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I don't know what to do.  There are just too many great tracks and excellent surprises and I can't decide.  

I'll come up with a top 3 sometime today or tomorrow.

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Thank you for the Bill vote, George!  And I'm so with you, Mike...you see I mentioned every single person in my final considerations.  Clap
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-Bill Ward with Bruce- Light Up The Candles....didn't even know he did anything outside of Sabbath...and quite a departure in style. Interesting track and I'm a big fan of Mr Bruce

-Pickett with Thompson-Forze Dechole....I like old style folk tunes and the like...very relaxing for me

-Cale and Riley- Church of Anthrax....I heard this lp many many years ago...had forgotten about it...very atmospheric and mind altering.


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@Nickie
As always, you hit the mark, Nickie. 

I've known this song for over 20 years and even now when I listen to that final minute I get chills. 

There are few musical moments that move me so much.

This is the reason why I've selected this piece.
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Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

-Bill Ward with Bruce- Light Up The Candles....didn't even know he did anything outside of Sabbath...and quite a departure in style. Interesting track and I'm a big fan of Mr Bruce

-Pickett with Thompson-Forze Dechole....I like old style folk tunes and the like...very relaxing for me

-Cale and Riley- Church of Anthrax....I heard this lp many many years ago...had forgotten about it...very atmospheric and mind altering.

Glad you liked Bill, there's a lot of pretty good stuff on that record, in my opinion.  It should have gotten a lot more attention than it did, I've always felt.  
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Originally posted by jamesbaldwin jamesbaldwin wrote:

@Nickie
As always, you hit the mark, Nickie. 

I've known this song for over 20 years and even now when I listen to that final minute I get chills. 

There are few musical moments that move me so much.

This is the reason why I've selected this piece.

It really is quite stunning, Lorenzo.  I am very thankful for your posting it, I would likely never have heard it otherwise.
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1. Jonas Hellborg, Buckethead, Michael Shrieve - "Kidogo" - This is excellent.  This was so good that I've added it to my list of albums to find and buy.

2. Fabrizio De André - "Khorakhané" - Lorenzo, you keep reminding me why I love Italian music so much!  Beautiful!

3. Bruce Soord With Jonas Renkse - "Pleasure" - This track is one of those dream team-ups.  Bruce Soord from The Pineapple Thief and Jonas Renkse from Katatonia, what an excellent combination they make.  

Like I said, this was a difficult one as I like all of the tracks.  

Nickie, I had no idea Bill Ward sounded like this since all I've known him for was being Black Sabbath's drummer.  This is something I'll be looking into for sure.  

Bruford and Borstlap is another amazing collaboration, one that I'm more familiar with.  I love the albums they did together.  This is the kind of music I would compose back when I was majoring in composition, percussion and piano, before I really listened to these two artists.  I did a four-section suite just using percussion and piano that earned me an A grade and high praise from the professor that I was really proud of and it followed the same idea that has intrigued me for a long time, paring the piano back into its own classification of instruments, percussion.  I'm too familiar with their collaborations to vote for this one.  

Czukay and Dr. Walker is another dream paring and was also a high candidate for this vote.  Love the dive into Krautrock.

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1. Haco + Sakamoto Hiromichi - Zero Hills — The world needs more musical saws.

2. Jonas Hellborg, Buckethead, Michael Shrieve - Kidogo

3. Anaquim ft. Viviane - Onde Acaba o Oeste? — For the kazoo.

Runners-up: John Cale and Terry Riley, Bruford & Borstlap, The Recover Collective.
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Originally posted by TCat TCat wrote:


Nickie, I had no idea Bill Ward sounded like this since all I've known him for was being Black Sabbath's drummer.  This is something I'll be looking into for sure.  

  Most of the record is a bit louder, but there is another very quiet piece, "Pink Clouds, An Island," which is very spacy (as one might imagine from the title).  I do like the heavier pieces as well, will be fun to hear what you think, if you do give more a listen. The original four Sabbath members truly did collaborate equally, even though Bill doesn't play other instruments than percussive ones, he did write the material here an on his later solo works, with space for improvisation by the various players.  He would sing his ideas to them and then let them take off with it.  He also once beatboxed what he heard as percussion on a demo for my friend, Jano Brindisi, who I shared with you folks a long while back, on a song called "All My Heroes."  We were all surprised when he walked into the studio with no kit and then he explained what he was going to do, it of course worked perfectly as his drumming style would have overpowered the song.  
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I regret a bit that I didn't have time to follow up with a next batch of comments - there's some great music put up here that didn't make the nominations... So, when everybody is proposing the best of the best, we can only get the best of playlists! Once again a great listen and so difficult to single out just three, but here we go:

A whole bunch is sharing the 4th place; they'll have to figure out themselves if they indeed want to share it or bump their colleagues down to n° 5 or 6 or 7 or so...:
- Bill Ward & Jack Bruce - Light Up The Candles
- Bruce Soord & Jonas Renkse - Pleasure
- Holger Czukay & Dr. Walker - Backup Dream (the other Czukay piece with Jah Wobble & The Edge would have been on the podium!)
- Haco & Sakamoto Hiromichi - Zero Hills (and I very much like your other Japanese suggestion too!)

The three tracks that stood out for me are the following:
1. Fabrizio De André with Dori Ghezzi - Khorakhané; the sheer beauty of the music, the lyrics, the vocals and the arrangements of the song!
2. John Cale and Terry Riley - Church of Anthrax; never heard this collaboration before, and it is completely up to the reputation of both - have to find that album!
3. Jonas Hellborg, Buckethead, Michael Shrieve - Kidogo; some fantastic playing going on here!

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Oh, and why not a poll outro-song ?

John Cale, Kevin Ayers, Brian Eno, Nico - The End:

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@Nickie: I remember reading a review of the Bill Ward album back when it came out thinking that I should look into as it piqued my interest. But did not follow through. My initial listen of "Light Up the the Candles" didn't strike me, but inthe following listens in particular with headphones. Bruce's vocals is what really carried it for me.

@Mike: The entire Hellborg, Buckethead, Shrieve album is excellent. Like the track I posted, it's mostly acoustic. Buckethead was relatively unknown at the time. Hellborg was many interesting and different collaborations. Another I highly recommend is his album The Word. It's him on acoustic bass guitar, jazz drumming legend Tony Williams, and the Soldier String Quartet. My only complaint is it's only 36 minutes long.
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It is one of the more quiet pieces on the recording, I also toyed with the idea of doing the other Jack Bruce vocal on it, "Tall Stories," (which is not so quiet at all) because I am just a huge fan of his, but liked the surprise of this one being so not what you'd expect.  Hope you enjoy the rest of it, if you have a chance to listen.
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