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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote someone_else Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 03 2021 at 09:02
Originally posted by dougmcauliffe dougmcauliffe wrote:

^ well to be fair, implementing half stars would effectively be the same as implementing a 10 star system. I'm curious what people think of the weighting system:

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I am satisfied with it. That said, the only minor improvement I can think of is lowering the weight factor for rating-only from 1 to 0.

Half stars: I should be fine with it, but I still can live without it.
Subgenres by album: Would be fine indeed.

But the dream option I think most of is: a vote-once mechanism for polls in which multiple voting is allowed, using checkboxes instead of radio buttons for multiple voting. I suggested this a few years ago, but apparently it was addressed to deaf man's ears.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote nick_h_nz Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 03 2021 at 09:05
Originally posted by Hrychu Hrychu wrote:

Implement the option to write a review without having to give a numeric star rating. B)
Oh yeah! Damnit! I should have chosen the “other” option - because this would definitely be my dream feature! Stuff the half stars! Give me the option to have no stars. 👍🏻

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Pretty much implement all the features that Rate Your Music has.

That site has just totally upgraded itself so there's no valid reason that ANY site can't do the same.



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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote SolNiger Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 03 2021 at 09:19
That would be the ideal scenario indeed, however unfeasible it may be in practice.

On a different note, I must say I stand by my opinion that that particular scene from The Good, The Bad and the Ugly, as well as the whole movie the entire Western genre, can only be taken as a joke.


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Originally posted by SolNiger SolNiger wrote:

On a different note, I must say I stand by my opinion that that particular scene from The Good, The Bad and the Ugly, as well as the whole movie the entire Western genre, can only be taken as a joke.


Sure, I really meant no offense. Laughing is great, whatever grants that muscle move to one, it should be treasured!

BTW, here's (see the image/poem below) a good take on the "Truth" concept, if you're interested. I like this a lot. Slightly related to "the obvious" and how it can be a fallacy due to personal differences in comprehension.

All the best!

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Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

Pretty much implement all the features that Rate Your Music has.

That site has just totally upgraded itself so there's no valid reason that ANY site can't do the same.


I admire the way RYM has developed. It's a really well thought out system and I love using it just to catalog my own collection. The major difference between RYM and here is that they have a team (maybe a community?) of developers. Without having something like that here and a more active owner, I just don't see this happening at this time. There may also be costs involved.
 


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Originally posted by Shadowyzard Shadowyzard wrote:

Sure, I really meant no offense. Laughing is great, whatever grants that muscle move to one, it should be treasured!

Oh, no offense taken at all! Hug
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote AFlowerKingCrimson Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 03 2021 at 11:46
Both of these. However, I chose the second one(genre by album). 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Atavachron Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 03 2021 at 13:08
The 'subgenres apply to albums rather than artists' thing is as hairbrained now as it was then.   That's a good way to make things even more complex, daunting and confusing for the average PA user than they already are.   Regular members love the idea of album tagging, but what's more important:  our obsessive sensibilities, or the service this site provides?   I say it's the latter.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote dougmcauliffe Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 03 2021 at 13:36
Originally posted by someone_else someone_else wrote:

Originally posted by dougmcauliffe dougmcauliffe wrote:

^ well to be fair, implementing half stars would effectively be the same as implementing a 10 star system. I'm curious what people think of the weighting system:

Rating=1
Review=10
Collaborator Review=20


I am satisfied with it. That said, the only minor improvement I can think of is lowering the weight factor for rating-only from 1 to 0.


Yeah but then we're gonna be flooded with terrible low effort 3 sentence reviews likely with broken english and little to no actual meaningful input.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Tapfret Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 03 2021 at 13:44
Originally posted by dougmcauliffe dougmcauliffe wrote:

Originally posted by someone_else someone_else wrote:

Originally posted by dougmcauliffe dougmcauliffe wrote:

^ well to be fair, implementing half stars would effectively be the same as implementing a 10 star system. I'm curious what people think of the weighting system:

Rating=1
Review=10
Collaborator Review=20


I am satisfied with it. That said, the only minor improvement I can think of is lowering the weight factor for rating-only from 1 to 0.



Yeah but then we're gonna be flooded with terrible low effort 3 sentence reviews likely with broken english and little to no actual meaningful input.


Which is why the minimum word count to qualify should be something more in the neighborhood of 400.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote dougmcauliffe Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 03 2021 at 13:47
^ another good use for a comment box sort of thing
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote AFlowerKingCrimson Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 03 2021 at 14:24
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

The 'subgenres apply to albums rather than artists' thing is as hairbrained now as it was then.   That's a good way to make things even more complex, daunting and confusing for the average PA user than they already are.   Regular members love the idea of album tagging, but what's more important:  our obsessive sensibilities, or the service this site provides?   I say it's the latter.



It seems to work fine over on metalmusicarchives and jazzmusicarchives. So it's good enough for metal and jazz but not prog?  There's no confusion. You look up a band or you look up an album. I don't see how it would confuse anyone. It would work the same way it does on those sites I just mentioned. I doubt anyone on those two would be any more confused looking up stuff than they would be on here. 


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Rateyourmusic does well with album tagging, and if that confuses some people, well I would rather not particularly cater to the most easily confused and least intelligent. This site's architecture does not support it, and it would have to be rebuilt at great time and expense. Practicality of that aside, as a music Archive, I am confident that this site would work better as research tool if we had album tagging and being able to tag albums with multiple labels (provided we had a great many good people to collaborate on the project). I think Progfreak was working well. It may not be practical for this site, but I still think it would be more ideal than what we have.

I don't use PA much to search for albums or for research generally and that's partially due to its limitations. RYM's filters are helpful for me and doesn't require that steep a learning curve to get used to.

I would quite like to see ratings only given 0 weighting. Long reviews are not always preferable to me (I wish I was better at being concise).   I would like the ratings descriptions to be phrased in a purely subjective manner. Five stars -= adore etc. I would like the option to review an album without rating it. My favourite film sites had no star ratings to go with the reviews. I'm most interested in ratings as it gives me some quick insight into an individual's tastes, but actually I am interested in what the general consensus is and I have found that that can be a useful guide when it comes to where to start with an artist.

By the way, my favourite reviews often mention their favourite tracks (if applicable), describe the music well, might give some history, and mention similar albums. That last bit is very useful for me to help me in discovering similar music, and to see if an album is likely to appeal.

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A latte machine in the breakroom would be nice and multi-ply toilet paper in the bathrooms....Christ all mighty!!!

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Originally posted by progaardvark progaardvark wrote:

Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

Pretty much implement all the features that Rate Your Music has.

That site has just totally upgraded itself so there's no valid reason that ANY site can't do the same.


I admire the way RYM has developed. It's a really well thought out system and I love using it just to catalog my own collection. The major difference between RYM and here is that they have a team (maybe a community?) of developers. Without having something like that here and a more active owner, I just don't see this happening at this time. There may also be costs involved.
 





Yep, but where there's a will there's a way. The lack of will by the owner is the only reason this site is not modern and relevant in a technical sense. As far as i'm concerned the only thing that keeps me coming back is the people who hang out here otherwise RYM is better in every possibly way. It is true however that we do add bands that aren't on RYM.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote dougmcauliffe Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 03 2021 at 16:29
I really believe putting ratings down to 0 weight would be a slippery slope, it might be hard for obscure or niche albums to get any semblance of momentum. Especially if there's also a word limit put in place where people will be discouraged from rating an album because they have to put in a decent amount of time to write about said album that they may have just found "ok" or just "decent." Like it or not, most progarchives users fall into the category of just rating albums and most people are good with just listening and leaving that rating before moving onto the next thing.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Logan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 03 2021 at 16:50
I had meant to say that I'm thinking of weighting as it affects album "ranking" specifically but that doesn't help much with the obscurity issue.
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Originally posted by Tapfret Tapfret wrote:

Originally posted by dougmcauliffe dougmcauliffe wrote:

Originally posted by someone_else someone_else wrote:

Originally posted by dougmcauliffe dougmcauliffe wrote:

^ well to be fair, implementing half stars would effectively be the same as implementing a 10 star system. I'm curious what people think of the weighting system:

Rating=1
Review=10
Collaborator Review=20


I am satisfied with it. That said, the only minor improvement I can think of is lowering the weight factor for rating-only from 1 to 0.



Yeah but then we're gonna be flooded with terrible low effort 3 sentence reviews likely with broken english and little to no actual meaningful input.


Which is why the minimum word count to qualify should be something more in the neighborhood of 400.

As far as I can remember, a review should count at least 100 words, which is a good quotum. Some reviewers can write a good review using rather few words, others may write a vast tonnage of crap in almost as many words as a CLOB can contain... and others write great and elaborate ones, almost bookworks in which much thought and effort has been put (at this point I cannot help but thinking of those often enjoyable longreads by AtomicCrimsonRush).
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Other: ability to add partial prog discographies from otherwise non-prog artists. It's not rare to stumble with unthinkable pearls from outside the club.
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