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Two Anti-System Movies from 1999
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    Posted: February 22 2021 at 13:50
OK, I recently did 1980s, 2000s and 2010s movie polls, now it's time to provide the missing link and conclude.

I'll go with "Both", by the way.
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I prefer Fight Club 
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The Matrix
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Neither. Not my kind of movies. And "The Matrix" is a lot worse than "Welt am Draht" ("World on a Wire") by Rainer Werner Fassbinder that dealt with the same themes 26 years earlier.


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Fight Club, easily. 
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The Matrix.

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The Matrix
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The Matrix certainly had some unique film making devices utilized, but as films go...
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I never understood why anybody would watch movies like these Confused


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Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

I never understood why anybody would watch movies like these Confused

 
  Did you see Fight Club? It's not what you may think it is.
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Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

I never understood why anybody would watch movies like these Confused
What specifically is the aversion? Maybe we can help clarify.
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Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

I never understood why anybody would watch movies like these Confused

 
  Did you see Fight Club? It's not what you may think it is.

I saw excerpts and read a synopsis of the movie. not interested


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Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

I never understood why anybody would watch movies like these Confused


The Wachowskis are smart, like George Bernard Shaw was. In Shaw's time, most of the audience in the theatre was composed of adolescent girls, so GBS added melodramatic elements in his plays. Likewisely, most of today's mainstream "movie goers" are interested in action scenes, I think that's why The Wachowskis used all those action and fighting scenes.

I call it "smartness", whilst some might call it having a mindset devoid of the "art for art's sake" principle. I guess in both cases, the creators had very good intentions about making the "societies" better, by disillusioning them. Also, hey... They got lots of money thanks to their smartness, too!

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I watch these movies because they wear pants, sometimes two or more at the same time. Oh, and how can we forget socks?
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Originally posted by progaardvark progaardvark wrote:

I watch these movies because they wear pants, sometimes two or more at the same time. Oh, and how can we forget socks?

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The Matrix. The sequels were big deceptions, though.

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The Matrix trivia: Keanu Reeves was The Wachowskis' 3rd pick for the Neo role. The first was Brad Pitt whom rejected it. (I read it long ago somewhere, hope that is true information.)

I think Brad Pitt is a stellar actor, but Keanu Reeves was much better for a character who expects to "wake up". Brad Pitt looks too smart and already "awakened". 

P.S. I would never accept any of those pills. I get taking the red pill, it is a plausible/viable choice. But I'd take neither, and go home with the information I gathered.

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Originally posted by suitkees suitkees wrote:

The Matrix. The sequels were big deceptions, though.



Ditto. The sequels were horrible, at least the 3rd. Reloaded was so-so, and if compared to the first movie, it is horrible; but Revolutions was utterly terrible...

What I didn't like most is, they make Neo so dumb to fight Agent Smith all the time... He can fly like Superman, and Smith is not injured or wounded by any physical hits. So, why fighting him all the time? For the sake of the "action" scenes, baby. I know! LOL

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Yeah, but great choreographies, most of the time. Well, much over the top, sometimes (or all of the times, maybe), but it worked for me in the first one; and then it became a gimmick...

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^ I agree, in the first movie, that is understandable as Neo was certain of neither the limits of his capabilities nor the strength of Agent Smith. BUT, he should have long understood thereafter that Agent Smith is "invincible", when it comes to physical attacks!

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