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Poll Question: Vote for three options (three duos) and mention those in a post,
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Snicolette Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 18 2021 at 18:15
Originally posted by Shadowyzard Shadowyzard wrote:

^ Nickie, the video you put is severely cut and cropped. The full song is of about twice length. The one I put in this post is not the same performance, even if it says "winning performance". Probably the semi-final performance. (Edit: it is the post-victory performance, apparently.) There are dramatic diferences, but I couldn't find a better solution. I hope this will work for you, in the first place.
  Video removed for space.  
It's the country limitations of YT, apparently, as I can't view this one, either.  How long is the full song?  That might help in finding it or a closer approximation.  I will take the other video out of my post to you after this, as it's not the correct one.  Cry
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^ Its duration is 3.16. I hope the Americans are/were able to watch Eurovision. Otherwise, it would be so much for the freedom you're always boasting with. LOL 

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Snicolette Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 18 2021 at 18:49
Will try and find it, based on that, it should help!  
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote TCat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 18 2021 at 19:06
Two amazing vocalists that contrast yet enhance each other.

It's heavy rock/blues of Powerhouse Brittany Howard.....

Alabama Shakes - "You Ain't Alone"



.....Vs. Avant-World-Jazz of Dynamic Jane Siberry......

Arcane - "My Mother is Not the White Dove"






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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Snicolette Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 18 2021 at 23:20
I struggled with this all day and finally, knowing if I just gave up, it would come my way.  Oddly, through Jeopardy!  And not even related to the category, other than it being music, but somehow, it made me think of this.  So here we are.
Michael Penn "No Myth."  What if he were Romeo in black jeans? 

paired with Owain Phyfe's "Hearts Ease," from Shakespeare himself, from the play, Romeo and Juliet.  


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For my pairing, I have two different solo performances. First up is fingerstyle acoustic bass guitar playing.

Dmitry Lisenko - Prometheus


Following that up with DIY one-man band of industrial/electronic doom metal.

Author & Punisher - Nihil Strength


Author & Punisher is also a mechanical engineer who designs and builds much of his own equipment.
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And now for something completely different...
...well, as is the case for everything put up here, so far.
Nice poll idea! And the teaming up of two pieces is or can be a kind of a challenge. The saying "apples and oranges" comes by quite frequently on these forums, but for me it is always possible to compare apples with oranges as long as we find the common denominator to base the comparison on (taste, form, vitamins, colour, throwability, hammer-resistance...).

Hildur Guðnadóttir would probably never have imagined to be teamed up with Iannis Xenakis, one day, but here we go... The common denominator is the solo/main instrument: the cello. The contrast is in the playing (or the treatment/mistreatment) of the instrument: rage vs. appeasement...

The first piece by Iannis Xenakis is called Kottos and I quote from the CD-booklet: Kottos "is the name of the three-hundred-armed giant that Zeus fought and vanquished, an "allusion to all the rage and virtuosity required to perform this piece." For the playing of this piece Xenakis recommended to "abstain from 'beautiful' sounds." It's maybe a bit long to some because of this, so don't hesitate to skip to the next one if this one offends you...
The second piece is by Hildur Guðnadóttir, which, after the violence of Xenakis, brings us a much more ethereal approach of the instrument.

Iannis Xenakis - Kottos (1977, from the CD Iannis Xenakis - Chamber Music 1955-1990 - Disques Montaigne/WDR):



Hildur Guðnadóttir - Elevation (2009, from the album Without Sinking - Deutsche Grammophon):





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Originally posted by suitkees suitkees wrote:

Nice poll idea! And the teaming up of two pieces is or can be a kind of a challenge. The saying "apples and oranges" comes by quite frequently on these forums, but for me it is always possible to compare apples with oranges as long as we find the common denominator to base the comparison on (taste, form, vitamins, colour, throwability, hammer-resistance...).


I think that believing that apples and oranges can't be compared shows a failure of imagination and conceptualisation. Common denominators in types of fruit, for instance, are easy to come by, but even in contrasting more disparate things such as apples and motorcycles, one can find commonalities. Furthermore, a part of making comparisons is contrasting, so by illustrating or thinking about the differences between the things one is also comparing the things.

On another note, if one's choices are not available on youtube, while I wouldn't call it ideal as it complicates things a bit and some might not wish that added step due to a little less convenience, I'm okay with using bandcamp and including those links with a link to the youtube playlist.

I had wanted to go with a different two, but one of my ideal choices was not on youtube -- my other choice was. I changed both of my choices just as I was about to post this topic quite impulsively.

Thanks for all of the responses.
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As per usual, here are my notes on first listen of the Page 1 submissions:

Logan:  Mica Levi “Lipstick to Void:”  Begins with some of what I think of as “deep space,” sounds, along with male sound of vocals or breathing at regular intervals.  Some slidy, high sounds come along and shimmery (lipstick?) sounds commence, gradually increasing in intensity, then fall back.  Different slidy sounds emerge, almost like tape recordings played very quickly and some jibbery jaggedy string effects join in.  Low, low bass strings and a footstep or staff (cane) enters, providing another regular cadence.  The strings become almost screechy before the piece abruptly ends.  The music at times sounded almost like a horror film soundtrack to my ears.  Mono “Disney Town”  Another piece that feels dark, initially, it has much more obvious structure to it, with reedy keys and percussion that is more conventional.  A breathy female vocal adds to the moody sensuousness of the piece.  It does also seem to complement the other choice, it’s very cinematic feeling, though very different. 

Shadowyzard:  Chiara “What If We”  Lovely, obviously trained voice, as you said, with a positive message, backed with soft orchestra.  A crowd-pleasing sort of adult contemporary song, if there is such a category anymore.  Flawless performance.  Netta “Toy”  Very modern sort of rap/hip-hop-ish song (if that’s what you call this style that pretty much everyone does these days) with a Latin rhythm.  Definitely fits the opposite yin/yang theme, even though neither are “my” kind of music, I prefer the first to this one, as lyrically it’s pretty much one note.  I’d be a bit scared of her, lol. 

Lorenzo:  I LOVED the Dream Syndicate!  But haven’t heard these, so very intrigued before I even get started.  Steve Wynn “Carolyn”  Americana-styled band sound, a bit upbeat with Steve Wynn’s very pointed vocals and poppy/catchy chorus. String section break in the middle. Surprised this wasn’t a bigger hit at the time.  Second by Steve Wynn “Strange New World”  Much rockier in feel (more like the Dream Syndicate), this time, as you said a more punk-ish attitude.  Still a well-crafted song, he’s got a real feel for that.  These definitely are two sides to Steve Wynn’s coin.  Well done!

I prophesy disaster: Kula Shaker “Grateful When You’re Dead / Jerry Was There”  More rocky than I was expecting from the photo.  Straight ahead with a driving beat, solid band and convincing vocals.  Lots of interesting breaks with the return to the basic song, provided by choral accents and driving lead guitar.  It drifts off into a pseudo-psychedelic ramble, which is also well done, even if the lyrics seem a bit sarcastic, love the guitar work here.  Red Hot Chili Peppers “Sir Psycho Sexy,”  This one I know, but when we are voting on the two here.  This is truly very different than the other choice, that sort of funky rock rap thang that RHCP pretty much invented.  

The Anders:  Kashmir “The Cynic”  Has a definite pop appeal from the get-go, with shimmery vocals, a catchy chorus and washes of guitar underpinning it all.  Definitely a cold feel to the music, it is somewhat detached, emotionally.  Second from Kashmir “The Push”  This one begins with an organ (or concertina), a simple voice and guitar strumming, certainly very warm, I prefer it much to the first offering, even in it’s simplicity. 

Lewian:  Langham Research Center  “Algebra of the Sky”  Some spacy sounds here, with what sounds like astronaut/computer voice recordings and blippity blips.  Really interesting to watch the guys at work.  Some screechy sounds from time to time and wavy swirls.  A creaky door opening sound and scurches.  Ends with an arcing sound.  Eliane Radigue “Adnos I-III”  The feeling at the beginning is very ominous to me, we’ll see what happens as it progresses.  The feeling shifts as the waaaaa waaaa waaaa sound ends and it turns shimmery with occasional deep bell sounds way way way underneath.  There is not much shift from this for the duration, but it is an excellent meditative piece and certainly polar opposite of the first one. 




Edited by Snicolette - January 19 2021 at 10:57
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Originally posted by Snocolette Snocolette wrote:

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Logan: Mica Levi “Lipstick to Void:” Begins with some of what I think of as “deep space,” sounds, along with male sound of vocals or breathing at regular intervals. Some slidy, high sounds come along and shimmery (lipstick?) sounds commence, gradually increasing in intensity, then fall back. Different slidy sounds emerge, almost like tape recordings played very quickly and some jibbery jaggedy string effects join in. Low, low bass strings and a footstep or staff (cane) enters, providing another regular cadence. The strings become almost screechy before the piece abruptly ends. The music at times sounded almost like a horror film soundtrack to my ears. Mono “Disney Town” Another piece that feels dark, initially, it has much more obvious structure to it, with reedy keys and percussion that is more conventional. A breathy female vocal adds to the moody sensuousness of the piece. It does also seem to complement the other choice, it’s very cinematic feeling, though very different....


Thanks, well described. "Lipstick to Void" from Under the Skin is off a horror film soundtrack (sometimes described as sci-fi and is quite Art Housey). It's a very marmite film. I loved it, was touched by it, and found the imagery very memorable. It's not one that I would recommend to most and know various people who found it a chore to watch. I also considered using some music from the horror soundtrack for Hereditary (a great horror film that I wouldn't recommend to most -- quite harrowing). I have many soundtracks in my collection (my first purchases being the Midnight Express and Das Boot soundtracks). I realised that choosing that very atmospheric piece that does work best in the context of the film might well mean that my choices will get no votes, but that's okay. It does in part complement the "Disney Town" track for me -- could work as a kind of intro or coda to it as both are rather cinematic and have some similar ambient electronic qualities while the moods and expression also contrast with each other.

By the way, originally, I was going to contrast a languorous, atmospheric jazzy piece with a punkish Zolo piece (with Zolo think Zappa, Cardiacs, Miriodor, Fred Frith, Albert Marcœur, Samla Mannas Manna...). I won't post them here cause I decided to save one of those for a later time (one of my favourite pieces of music).

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Thanks, well described. "Lipstick to Void" from Under the Skin is off a horror film soundtrack (sometimes described as sci-fi and is quite Art Housey). It's a very marmite film. I loved it, was touched by it, and found the imagery very memorable. It's not one that I would recommend to most and know various people who found it a chore to watch. I also considered using some music from the horror soundtrack for Hereditary (a great horror film that I wouldn't recommend to most -- quite harrowing). I have many soundtracks in my collection (my first purchases being the Midnight Express and Das Boot soundtracks). I realised that choosing that very atmospheric piece that does work best in the context of the film might well mean that my choices will get no votes, but that's okay. It does in part complement the "Disney Town" track for me -- could work as a kind of intro or coda to it as both are rather cinematic and have some similar ambient electronic qualities while the moods and expression also contrast with each other.

By the way, originally, I was going to contrast a languorous, atmospheric jazzy piece with a punkish Zolo piece (with Zolo think Zappa, Cardiacs, Miriodor, Fred Frith, Albert Marcœur, Samla Mannas Manna...). I won't post them here cause I decided to save one of those for a later time (one of my favourite pieces of music).

  I loved both The Midnight Express and Das Boot films and do quite enjoy soundtracks, although sometimes I find myself listening to the music more than watching the film, which is not quite what they're going for, I suppose.  Looking forward to eventually hearing the Zolo piece.  And I love the way you created this poll, another fine twist.  Smile
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Originally posted by Snicolette Snicolette wrote:

The Anders:  Kashmir “The Cynic”  Has a definite pop appeal from the get-go, with shimmery vocals, a catchy chorus and washes of guitar underpinning it all.  Definitely a cold feel to the music, it is somewhat detached, emotionally.  Second from Kashmir “The Push”  This one begins with an organ (or concertina), a simple voice and guitar strumming, certainly very warm, I prefer it much to the first offering, even in it’s simplicity.


I believe it is a harmonium in "The Push". I think you can hear the sound of the pedals.
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Originally posted by The Anders The Anders wrote:

Originally posted by Snicolette Snicolette wrote:

The Anders:  Kashmir “The Cynic”  Has a definite pop appeal from the get-go, with shimmery vocals, a catchy chorus and washes of guitar underpinning it all.  Definitely a cold feel to the music, it is somewhat detached, emotionally.  Second from Kashmir “The Push”  This one begins with an organ (or concertina), a simple voice and guitar strumming, certainly very warm, I prefer it much to the first offering, even in it’s simplicity.


I believe it is a harmonium in "The Push". I think you can hear the sound of the pedals.
  Thank you for the clarification!Smile
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First thoughts through to this point of Page 2:

Mike:  Alabama Shakes “You Ain’t Alone”  Slow blues-type tune with one powerful woman vocalist.  Standard blues/rock ensemble backing her in a laid-back, yet dynamic live performance.  They would certainly go down well at any blues festival.  Arcane  “My Mother is Not the White Dove”  A much more ethereal piece, with violins and Jane Siberry’s very artistic vocals.  Flute and watery guitars provide the support, with fluttery horns as the song progresses.  This feels almost like a companion piece to some of “Astral Weeks,” to me. 

George:  Dmitry Lisenko “Prometheus”  Just fantastic acoustic bass playing here, with finger-snaps punctuating the piece.  Amazing how much he gets out of four strings (and utilizing the body as well), it almost sounds like more than one person playing.  John Renbourn has that same effect as a soloist, but in a very different way.  Quite enjoyed that one.  Author & Punisher “Nihil Strength”  Sonic blast with lots of distortion and growly vocals.  Siren-like sounds to a definitely punishing, relentless beat, with an abrupt ending.  Certainly a yang to Dmitry’s more yin style.

suitkees:  Iannis Xenakis “Kottos”   Grangs and burps, angry bees begin the piece, I quite enjoy the drony bits.  More swoops and deep swirls and hard attack with bow, the bees are not very happy, I tell you.  I like that they have the actual music accompanying the piece in the video, fun to watch along with it.  This would be excellent as a film score for a bomber attack, so far).  Back to rapidity about 4 minutes in, with some swoop sounds interspersed.  Lots of dynamics from highs to lows, then back to rapid bowing, sometimes on multiple strings. Ends with some slippy-slidies on the strings.  My old dog, Beau, would not have approved of this piece, however, I find it rather fascinating. Hildur Guðnadóttir “Elevation”  At under a minute, I already love this piece.  Deep, tranquil bowing, rising and falling in intensity throughout, no need to rush or display fireworks.  Lovely. 


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I have some ideas for this round but I am overthinking this definitely LOL, only way I'll be able to participate is by posting spontaneously LOL and then just go..."whatever"... LOL

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Originally posted by Snicolette Snicolette wrote:

George:  Dmitry Lisenko “Prometheus”  Just fantastic acoustic bass playing here, with finger-snaps punctuating the piece.  Amazing how much he gets out of four strings (and utilizing the body as well), it almost sounds like more than one person playing.  John Renbourn has that same effect as a soloist, but in a very different way.  Quite enjoyed that one.  Author & Punisher “Nihil Strength”  Sonic blast with lots of distortion and growly vocals.  Siren-like sounds to a definitely punishing, relentless beat, with an abrupt ending.  Certainly a yang to Dmitry’s more yin style.

Dmitry Lisenko is impressive. The track is from his solo album, which features his acoustic bass guitar playing. He is also bassist for his wife's death metal band. I almost used a track from that band, but wanted the contrast of two different solo performances. (I had also put together a story in my head of Prometheus bringing fire to humankind, resulting in the human race burning itself into nothingness, so ending in nihil strength.)  Though I am not knowledgeable on death growls, Dmitry's wife Mara is quite impressive at it.

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Originally posted by Snicolette Snicolette wrote:

George:  Dmitry Lisenko “Prometheus”  Just fantastic acoustic bass playing here, with finger-snaps punctuating the piece.  Amazing how much he gets out of four strings (and utilizing the body as well), it almost sounds like more than one person playing.  John Renbourn has that same effect as a soloist, but in a very different way.  Quite enjoyed that one.  Author & Punisher “Nihil Strength”  Sonic blast with lots of distortion and growly vocals.  Siren-like sounds to a definitely punishing, relentless beat, with an abrupt ending.  Certainly a yang to Dmitry’s more yin style.

Dmitry Lisenko is impressive. The track is from his solo album, which features his acoustic bass guitar playing. He is also bassist for his wife's death metal band. I almost used a track from that band, but wanted the contrast of two different solo performances. (I had also put together a story in my head of Prometheus bringing fire to humankind, resulting in the human race burning itself into nothingness, so ending in nihil strength.)  Though I am not knowledgeable on death growls, Dmitry's wife Mara is quite impressive at it.

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Well, that was completely different from the solo Lisenko piece, lol.  LOL
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Playlist started.



@Özgür: I am unable to find a US playable video of Netta "Toy" from the Eurovision final.

The closest I found is this comparison video of her semi-final and grand-final performances.

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Great, thanks! As always this improves the poll experience big time!
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Originally posted by Snicolette Snicolette wrote:

suitkees:  Iannis Xenakis “Kottos”   Grangs and burps, angry bees begin the piece, I quite enjoy the drony bits.  More swoops and deep swirls and hard attack with bow, the bees are not very happy, I tell you.  I like that they have the actual music accompanying the piece in the video, fun to watch along with it.  This would be excellent as a film score for a bomber attack, so far).  Back to rapidity about 4 minutes in, with some swoop sounds interspersed.  Lots of dynamics from highs to lows, then back to rapid bowing, sometimes on multiple strings. Ends with some slippy-slidies on the strings.  My old dog, Beau, would not have approved of this piece, however, I find it rather fascinating. Hildur Guðnadóttir “Elevation”  At under a minute, I already love this piece.  Deep, tranquil bowing, rising and falling in intensity throughout, no need to rush or display fireworks.  Lovely.

Nice reading your assessment (as always!). I think "fascinating" or "intriguing" are indeed the words for this Xenakis piece. My cat seems to like it, but she has a very eclectic taste regarding music. She likes Pink Floyd, Yes, Hawkwind, Eisler, Saga.... That is, when I asked her if she liked Xenakis she said "meow", and when I asked "you don't like it?" she said "meow" too... (it is all a matter of interpretation...). Anyway, she didn't seem to appreciate Xenakis less than Guðnadóttir, so that's a good thing... Smile

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