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Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

I've been watching his videos for quite sometime now, and what I have thought about based on many of his comments on his "lists" is that he does not have intimate experience with all of it.
Especially the albums in his list that are less than popular, those are the ones he has not much to say about in detail. 
We all own "krappy" albums but because we own them we know why they are krappy, rather than going to the WWW to find out, which is what I think he might be doing in some cases. Now buying all these albums in CD format is super cheap....It would make sense if he goes ahead and spends $10 and buys 6-8 CDs of a band to legitimize his claims. I don't have a problem with him reading notes, for him to review a band like Yes with so many albums you would need notes. It's the content I have question on, it seems too basic and no details with his critique of certain albums.

But I guess in this age of the internet......it must all be true. LOL
To be fair, I'm sure that SoT is a good site for someone just getting into prog rock as it's not very detailed and the videos would be a plus. But for old hands like us, I don't think so.

Yeah, didn't mean to come down on Pardo or SoT. They're defending the cause, no matter at what level.


Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

It's a bit of fun, he's not setting the world on fire, but he's promoting prog whether it's the music, his youtube channel, or SOT. To my mind we should be supporting him rather than dissing him. There's few enough of us out there and we can all use all the support we can get. And really going after his hair? God I wish I still had some.


Yeah (again), but it's just that he should maybe get a peak at the ratings on dedicated sites, instezad or purely relying on his (sometimes insufficent) knowledge ... and tastes

I just looked at Pardo's list posted by PP, and TBH, outside Renaissance (the MKI dissing) and some odd choices in Floyd's discography, I generally +/- agree with his preferences order in his list.


Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

For the record, I'm only joking about his hair. Some of my best friends look like they just came out of 1975. It's a musicians curse.


hey, some of us remain eternal teenagers and simply age more gracefully than others LOL
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Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

I've been watching his videos for quite sometime now, and what I have thought about based on many of his comments on his "lists" is that he does not have intimate experience with all of it.
Especially the albums in his list that are less than popular, those are the ones he has not much to say about in detail. 
We all own "krappy" albums but because we own them we know why they are krappy, rather than going to the WWW to find out, which is what I think he might be doing in some cases. Now buying all these albums in CD format is super cheap....It would make sense if he goes ahead and spends $10 and buys 6-8 CDs of a band to legitimize his claims. I don't have a problem with him reading notes, for him to review a band like Yes with so many albums you would need notes. It's the content I have question on, it seems too basic and no details with his critique of certain albums.

But I guess in this age of the internet......it must all be true. LOL
To be fair, I'm sure that SoT is a good site for someone just getting into prog rock as it's not very detailed and the videos would be a plus. But for old hands like us, I don't think so.

Yeah, didn't mean to come down on Pardo or SoT. They're defending the cause, no matter at what level.


Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

It's a bit of fun, he's not setting the world on fire, but he's promoting prog whether it's the music, his youtube channel, or SOT. To my mind we should be supporting him rather than dissing him. There's few enough of us out there and we can all use all the support we can get. And really going after his hair? God I wish I still had some.


Yeah (again), but it's just that he should maybe get a peak at the ratings on dedicated sites, instezad or purely relying on his (sometimes insufficent) knowledge ... and tastes

I just looked at Pardo's list posted by PP, and TBH, outside Renaissance (the MKI dissing) and some odd choices in Floyd's discography, I generally +/- agree with his preferences order in his list.


Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

For the record, I'm only joking about his hair. Some of my best friends look like they just came out of 1975. It's a musicians curse.


hey, some of us remain eternal teenagers and simply age more gracefully than others LOL
I agree with you and I didn't mean to come down that badly on the man, but I still feel that SoT is a bit too light weight for most here. But Psych Paul was the one who posted all this, so there you go. LOL
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Pete Pardo's Van der Graaf Generator album rankings - My VDGG album rankings and PA ratings
 
1. Pawn Hearts                                                         1. The Least We Can Do... 5 stars
2. Godbluff                                                               2. H to He, Who Am the Only One 5 stars
3. H to He, Who Am the Only One                              3. The Aerosol Grey Machine 4 stars
4. The Least We Can Do is Wave to Each Other            4. Godbluff 3 stars
5. Still Life                                                                5. Still Life 3 stars
6. World Record                                                        6. World Record 3 stars
7. Do Not Disturb                                                      7. The Quiet Zone/The Pleasure Dome 3 stars
8. The Quiet Zone/The Pleasure Dome                        8. Pawn Hearts 2 stars
9. Trisector                                                              9. Trisector 2 stars
10. A Grounding in Numbers                                     10. Do Not Disturb 2 stars
11. The Aerosol Grey Machine                                   11. A Grounding in Numbers 2 stars
12. Present                                                             12. ALT 2 stars
13. ALT                                                                  13. Present 2 stars
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Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

The music doesn't help. I could never get along with someone with no sense of style. And Pardo's hair is from the 70s. Yuck.   

picking on someone's looks is lame to be honest. 
Pick on his opinions if you will, not his looks. LOL
Shallow narcissism is in. You gotta get with the times. Tongue


Well, for a guy above 40, (I'd give him between 55 & 60), he's still got hairs (and plenty), which is a lot more than many can say.Evil Smile 
He should fix that tooth, though. LOL

This said, I just quickly ffwd through his Renaissance appraisal and find him indeed fairly shallow: not only is he not sure about what he's saying, he's reading the tracks or participants (he's even mentionning drummer Slade - instead of Sullivan)  and almost totally disregarding the ex-Yardbirds line-up (does he even own them at all?) not even showing the albums, as opposed to those crappy 80's and 00's albums, which he obviously owns.

How can someone knowing so little about a band's embryonic days can be assessing them correctly? Dead


It's not just a question of tastes (and publishing them), but a question of credibility: 
- I mean the Yardbirds "were still looking around and trying to find the Renaissance style"?? Shocked Looks like the Dunford-Haslam duo never tried any further in that case, because they owe everything to the MkI line-up.
- Tout one of the best bassist? Weeeelllllllllllllllll, he owes eveything to Cennamo.
- AFAIK,Tatcher wasn't involved in the band in the early days.

I'd hate to hear his appraisal of other bands.
I've been watching his videos for quite sometime now, and what I have thought about based on many of his comments on his "lists" is that he does not have intimate experience with all of it.
Especially the albums in his list that are less than popular, those are the ones he has not much to say about in detail. 
We all own "krappy" albums but because we own them we know why they are krappy, rather than going to the WWW to find out, which is what I think he might be doing in some cases. Now buying all these albums in CD format is super cheap....It would make sense if he goes ahead and spends $10 and buys 6-8 CDs of a band to legitimize his claims. I don't have a problem with him reading notes, for him to review a band like Yes with so many albums you would need notes. It's the content I have question on, it seems too basic and no details with his critique of certain albums.

But I guess in this age of the internet......it must all be true. LOL
To be fair, I'm sure that SoT is a good site for someone just getting into prog rock as it's not very detailed and the videos would be a plus. But for old hands like us, I don't think so.
I agree, and I still watch him regularly. I'm not insinuating he is lying, just that a small % of the time seems like he is not too well versed like he really has not listened to the album in question or it may have been a long time ago or just going off memory. 
I like Pete, he's pretty genuine to me and I like he has guest interviews......To me his new reviews are more in-depth, not a big fan of Top Album lists.
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Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

I've been watching his videos for quite sometime now, and what I have thought about based on many of his comments on his "lists" is that he does not have intimate experience with all of it.
Especially the albums in his list that are less than popular, those are the ones he has not much to say about in detail. 
We all own "krappy" albums but because we own them we know why they are krappy, rather than going to the WWW to find out, which is what I think he might be doing in some cases. Now buying all these albums in CD format is super cheap....It would make sense if he goes ahead and spends $10 and buys 6-8 CDs of a band to legitimize his claims. I don't have a problem with him reading notes, for him to review a band like Yes with so many albums you would need notes. It's the content I have question on, it seems too basic and no details with his critique of certain albums.

But I guess in this age of the internet......it must all be true. LOL
To be fair, I'm sure that SoT is a good site for someone just getting into prog rock as it's not very detailed and the videos would be a plus. But for old hands like us, I don't think so.

Yeah, didn't mean to come down on Pardo or SoT. They're defending the cause, no matter at what level.


Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

It's a bit of fun, he's not setting the world on fire, but he's promoting prog whether it's the music, his youtube channel, or SOT. To my mind we should be supporting him rather than dissing him. There's few enough of us out there and we can all use all the support we can get. And really going after his hair? God I wish I still had some.


Yeah (again), but it's just that he should maybe get a peak at the ratings on dedicated sites, instezad or purely relying on his (sometimes insufficent) knowledge ... and tastes

I just looked at Pardo's list posted by PP, and TBH, outside Renaissance (the MKI dissing) and some odd choices in Floyd's discography, I generally +/- agree with his preferences order in his list.


Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

For the record, I'm only joking about his hair. Some of my best friends look like they just came out of 1975. It's a musicians curse.


hey, some of us remain eternal teenagers and simply age more gracefully than others LOL
I agree with you and I didn't mean to come down that badly on the man, but I still feel that SoT is a bit too light weight for most here. But Psych Paul was the one who posted all this, so there you go. LOL
I don't think anybody is bashing the guy, at least I don't read any posts like that. Some of us just made a comment about his content in Top Album lists. Regardless, you put yourself on the internet like that and you open yourself up for critique, positive and negative. He does a lot of reviews on progressive/prog music, which is great.
But for me I prefer his new album reviews because then I know he is well versed and listened to the album probably several times. When he does a Top Album list with 10 albums, that's about 100 hours of music to review.
If I wait another 2 months I suspect my hair will look like his except mine is still pretty much black...... Clap
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1.dark side of the moon
2.the wall
3.meddle
4.the division bell
5.more
6.obsured by clouds
7.atom heart mother
8.animals
9.the final cut
10.wish you were here
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Too many genres on pardo,s shows i find,
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Originally posted by grantman grantman wrote:

1.dark side of the moon
2.the wall
3.meddle
4.the division bell
5.more
6.obsured by clouds
7.atom heart mother
8.animals
9.the final cut
10.wish you were here
11.umma gumma
12.piper at the gates of dawn
 
Ummagumma and Piper at the Gates of Dawn are at the bottom of my Pink Floyd listings too, although I'm surprised to see Wish You Were Here near the bottom of your list.
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Psycho your VDGG rankings look deliberately ridiculous, Least and H to He as 5 star but Pawn Heart as a 2 star is barking.
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Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

Psycho your VDGG rankings look deliberately ridiculous, Least and H to He as 5 star but Pawn Heart as a 2 star is barking.
 
My VDGG album rankings are absolutely genuine, and with the exception of Pawn Hearts (which I've never liked) and The Aerosol Grey Machine, they're very close to Pete Pardo's rankings. Smile
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Ian,

I can understand someone not liking Pawn Hearts.
Plague is easy enough, but Man-Erg and Lemmings really require that extra-clic to get it.
I doubt PP will one day "get" those two tracks, though, but can only tell him to keep trying.


Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

I agree, and I still watch him regularly. I'm not insinuating he is lying, just that a small % of the time seems like he is not too well versed like he really has not listened to the album in question or it may have been a long time ago or just going off memory. 
I like Pete, he's pretty genuine to me and I like he has guest interviews......To me his new reviews are more in-depth, not a big fan of Top Album lists.


Yeah (once again), but indeed, one has to wonder if he's not spreading himself  a little thin, so he should prepare more in thowse top lists.

I also think that he should go a litttle deeper by presenting the albums in a chronological order first, than secondly give us his order of preference afterwards.

Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

I don't think anybody is bashing the guy, at least I don't read any posts like that. Some of us just made a comment about his content in Top Album lists. Regardless, you put yourself on the internet like that and you open yourself up for critique, positive and negative. He does a lot of reviews on progressive/prog music, which is great.
But for me I prefer his new album reviews because then I know he is well versed and listened to the album probably several times. When he does a Top Album list with 10 albums, that's about 100 hours of music to review.
If I wait another 2 months I suspect my hair will look like his except mine is still pretty much black...... Clap


Indeed the critique is more about the substance of his top list for XYZ.

His hairdo reminds me much of UZ's Daniel Denis, actually Sleepy


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Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

I can understand someone not liking Pawn Hearts.
Plague is easy enough, but Man-Erg and Lemmings really require that extra-clic to get it.
I doubt PP will one day "get" those two tracks, though, but can only tell him to keep trying.
I've listened to Pawn Hearts three times now, so I doubt if I'll ever "get" that album if I listen to it for a fourth time. The only positive thing I can say about Pawn Hearts, is it's my favourite out of the six VDGG albums I've rated with two stars. Smile
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Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

I can understand someone not liking Pawn Hearts.
Plague is easy enough, but Man-Erg and Lemmings really require that extra-clic to get it.
I doubt PP will one day "get" those two tracks, though, but can only tell him to keep trying.
I've listened to Pawn Hearts three times now, so I doubt if I'll ever "get" that album if I listen to it for a fourth time. The only positive thing I can say about Pawn Hearts, is it's my favourite out of the six VDGG albums I've rated with two stars. Smile

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^ I bought the two 1970 VDGG albums last Christmas without even hearing them first, after reading some of the rave reviews on ProgArchives, but from my point of view, it's a good thing I didn't buy the Pawn Hearts album instead, or that might have put me off Van der Graaf Generator for life. Smile
 
King Crimson are another band I have a hard time getting into, and I'll have Pete Pardo's King Crimson album rankings coming up next. Smile
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Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Ian,

I can understand someone not liking Pawn Hearts.
Plague is easy enough, but Man-Erg and Lemmings really require that extra-clic to get it.
I doubt PP will one day "get" those two tracks, though, but can only tell him to keep trying.


Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

I agree, and I still watch him regularly. I'm not insinuating he is lying, just that a small % of the time seems like he is not too well versed like he really has not listened to the album in question or it may have been a long time ago or just going off memory. 
I like Pete, he's pretty genuine to me and I like he has guest interviews......To me his new reviews are more in-depth, not a big fan of Top Album lists.


Yeah (once again), but indeed, one has to wonder if he's not spreading himself  a little thin, so he should prepare more in thowse top lists.

I also think that he should go a litttle deeper by presenting the albums in a chronological order first, than secondly give us his order of preference afterwards.

Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

I don't think anybody is bashing the guy, at least I don't read any posts like that. Some of us just made a comment about his content in Top Album lists. Regardless, you put yourself on the internet like that and you open yourself up for critique, positive and negative. He does a lot of reviews on progressive/prog music, which is great.
But for me I prefer his new album reviews because then I know he is well versed and listened to the album probably several times. When he does a Top Album list with 10 albums, that's about 100 hours of music to review.
If I wait another 2 months I suspect my hair will look like his except mine is still pretty much black...... Clap


Indeed the critique is more about the substance of his top list for XYZ.

His hairdo reminds me much of UZ's Daniel Denis, actually Sleepy
Or this dude.....LOL
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I would be lying if I said was not interested in Don Pardo's KC rankings.

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The Least We Can Do is listen to what Pete Pardo has to say about Van der Graaf Generator, which will be coming up next, while there's Still Life in this thread. Smile

I'll have about as much interest in what he has to say as a plague of lighthouses.
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Pete Pardo's King Crimson album rankings           My King Crimson album rankings & PA ratings

1. Red                                                             1. In the Court of the Crimson King 5 stars
2. In the Court of the Crimson King                    2. In the Wake of Poseidon 4 stars
3. Larks' Tongues in Aspic                                 3. Red  3 stars
4. Starless and Bible Black                                 4. Islands 3 stars
5. In the Wake of Poseidon                                5. Lizard 3 stars
6. Discipline                                                     6. Larks' Tongues in Aspic 2 stars
7.Lizard                                                           7. Starless and Bible Black 2 stars
8. Islands                                                        8. The Power to Believe 2 stars
9. Beat                                                            9. THRAK 2 stars
10. THRAK                                                      10. The ConstruKction of Light 2 stars
11. Three of a Perfect Pair                                11. Three of a Perfect Pair 2 stars
12. The Power to Believe                                  12. Beat 2 stars
13. The ConstruKction of Light                          13. Discipline 2 stars
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