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Is 'Rumours' by Fleetwood Mac severely overrated? |
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Psychedelic Paul 
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Deja Vu? Call me uncool then for shamelessly promoting my prog channel with your help.
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Cristi
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UNCOOL! my help? at least you admit you are shamelessly promoting your youtube channel. A shame i am the only one to object here.
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Psychedelic Paul
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Posted: November 17 2020 at 13:40 |
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Heart of the Matter
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Posted: November 17 2020 at 13:43 |
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How can a gem possibly be overrated?
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Psychedelic Paul
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Posted: November 21 2020 at 04:50 |
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I just read this interesting article about Fleetwood Mac on KOOL.FM today..... "If you go back to their beginnings, they were a blues band, with the legendary Peter Green on guitar and vocals. But there's a middle period of time when Fleetwood Mac sounded more like a 'progressive rock' band." "You may have seen some press in the past week or so about the death of Fleetwood Mac guitarist Bob Weston at the age of 64. And you probably thought, WHO? Weston is the inventive guitarist who replaced Peter Green. His licks are definitely spacey and progressive in sound." On that basis, I've decided to add Fleetwood Mac to my Prog Britannia YouTube channel.
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The Anders
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Posted: November 21 2020 at 14:20 |
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I have tried, but I can't really get into the in-between period with Bob Welch. It remains a mystery to me.
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Psychedelic Paul
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Posted: November 21 2020 at 15:04 |
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It also remains a Mystery to Me how they came up with that bizarre album cover for Bob Weston's last album with Fleetwood Mac.
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Posted: November 22 2020 at 08:08 |
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dear God man... Weston did not replace Green... he replaced if can you call it that Danny Kirwan.. and Weston was more noted for the sordid (it was Fleetwood Mac after all) details of his firing that any musical contributions he made for the one album he played with them on.
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Posted: November 22 2020 at 09:11 |
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I barely even recognized the Name Bob Weston, and had to look up his history with the Mac. Apparently he was only on 2 albums - "Penguin" and "Mystery to Me". I had forgotten that "Penguin" even existed, and don't think I have ever heard more than a song or two from it, back in the 1970s
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Posted: November 22 2020 at 11:26 |
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Yes...Weston was really nothing to rave about...a mediocre replacement imho.
I recall first hearing someone play Penguin in a billiards hall/pinball arcade in college in late 73 and it was pretty boring for the most part...I bought Mytsery and Heroes later but never got Penguin and still don;t have a copy on vinyl.
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Posted: November 22 2020 at 16:07 |
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Penguin did have probably the single most prog song they ever did, even with the kick ass 'tron, so that makes it a bit of a semi-essential prog curio..
and a great song it was. but yeah.. it was a strange album.. a real transition .. from Kirwan being a primary songwriter and THE primary musical focus to going to Welch's more jazzy inclinations on those last few albums he was with them.
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After hearing songs from the album played relentlessly on the radio during the first summer of its release, I can say today that Rumours would be a much better record if "Go Your Own Way" and "Don't Stop" were replaced with "Silver Springs", the Stevie Nicks song that was relegated to a B-side. (And I say this as someone who tolerates Nicks and considers Lindsey Buckingham a true songwriting genius.)
Also, count me among those people who consider the Tusk album to be an immaculate masterpiece, and the best thing the band has ever done. I would not change one note.
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Posted: November 24 2020 at 17:52 |
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I personally think Stevie Nicks' songs are the most interesting ones on Rumours. Especially "Dreams" where the music fits the mood of the lyrics perfectly. Especially with its tonal unstability, or "uncertainty". You can hear it as switching forth and bach between the subdominant and dominant (except in the instrumental break) without reaching the tonic, and that's quite a daring thing to do. Or as the relatively rare mode of lydian. Or as aeolian with the tonic only appearing in the instrumental break.
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It's not overrated in that I haven't seen too many people say it compares to the most influential albums of that decade. Yes, it sold really, really well which was a combination of its accessibility, consistency and production. The least good songs on Rumours are still just insubstantial, not BAD. And it has at least four great tracks - Dreams, Chain, Oh Daddy and Gold Dust Woman. I prefer the live cut of Go Your Own Way which is more rocking.
Personally, I prefer Future Dreams. But Rumours was clearly about a band trying to score a hit without really going THAT commercial (compared to say ABBA or disco). And it achieved that goal splendidly. While it is not a patch on the classic Pink Floyd albums, what it does have in common with them is an edge, a mystery that comes through on tracks like Chains. It's not all sweet candy. It rocks and has a soul. |
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It's a very good album. It was their DSOTM, I guess in terms of commercial breakthrough and importance in their catalogue, and in defining their sound with Buckingham/Nicks.
I think Tusk is somewhat over praised, usually by people who think Rumours is very overrated, but I've always found it lacking in quality songs. There's some gems on later albums; Mirage and Tango in the Night. Gypsy is probably my favourite Nicks song. Her performance gives me goosebumps on that track. |
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Yeah, I think "Tusk" is the more overrated one.. I like "Rumours", and I think it gets a lot of praise because there's no junk on it, but outside of "The Chain" there's nothing GREAT like "Dark Side of the Moon" which is all GREAT.
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Psychedelic Paul
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I totally agree on the overly-long "Tusk" double-album, which would have been much better released as a single album without Lindsey Buckingham's demos recorded in his garage.  As for "Rumours", it's my favourite Fleetwood Mac album and I love all the songs on there, so I don't think it's overrated at all.   Peter Green's Fleetwood Mac (1968) Mr. Wonderful (1968) The Pious Bird of Good Omen (1969) Then Play On (1969) Kiln House (1970) Future Games (1971) Bare Trees (1972) Penguin (1973) Mystery to Me (1973) Heroes Are Hard to Find (1974) Fleetwood Mac (1975) Rumours (1977) Tusk (1979) Mirage (1982) Tango in the Night (1987) Behind the Mask (1990) Time (1995) Say You Will (2003)Edited by Psychedelic Paul - September 09 2021 at 05:18 |
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Well I love the Buckingham songs on Tusk, personally I would have kept them and the Stevie Nicks songs and gotten rid of the McVie ones.
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Posted: September 09 2021 at 06:35 |
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no, it's not overrated
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I agree, though I just prefer it's eponymous predecessor, but would rate both albums 5/5 stars.
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