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Topic: Is 'Rumours' by Fleetwood Mac severely overrated?Posted By: A Crimson Mellotron
Subject: Is 'Rumours' by Fleetwood Mac severely overrated?
Date Posted: November 15 2020 at 02:26
Praised by critics and fans alike, this album is, in my humble opinion, overrated and quite polarizing. What do other forum users think of this 1977 'masterpiece'?
Replies: Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: November 15 2020 at 02:31
I don't know if "overrated" is the right word here, but it's overhyped still, it sold well and it's a famous album, if not one the most famous ones, several songs from it are still played everywhere.
edit: it's overrated...
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: November 15 2020 at 02:44
A Crimson Mellotron wrote:
Praised by critics and fans alike, this album is, in my humble opinion, overrated and quite polarizing. What do other forum users think of this 1977 'masterpiece'?
Not at all, but the follow-up album "Tusk" is overrated. It's a double album which should have been a single album, if you discount all of the raw songs recorded in Lindsey Buckingham's garage.
Posted By: dougmcauliffe
Date Posted: November 15 2020 at 02:51
What's polarizing about it? I think 99% of people agree its a classic album with relatively strong pop rock songs front to back.
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Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: November 15 2020 at 03:19
Psychedelic Paul wrote:
A Crimson Mellotron wrote:
Praised by critics and fans alike, this album is, in my humble opinion, overrated and quite polarizing. What do other forum users think of this 1977 'masterpiece'?
Not at all, but the follow-up album "Tusk" is overrated. It's a double album which should have been a single album, if you discount all of the raw songs recorded in Lindsey Buckingham's garage.
It's strange, his songs on that album usually get sl*g.ed off but I love them. My version of Tusk would be his songs with most of the Stevie Nicks ones.
Posted By: A Crimson Mellotron
Date Posted: November 15 2020 at 03:36
dougmcauliffe wrote:
What's polarizing about it? I think 99% of people agree its a classic album with relatively strong pop rock songs front to back.
Not sure if this is the correct percentage
It is a strong pop rock album, some amazing songs, and some which are garbage.
Posted By: Chaser
Date Posted: November 15 2020 at 03:36
I don't think it's overrated. It's a great album. I think the issue is that there are many other great albums that don't get anywhere near the same amount of attention in the "lamestream media" (sorry, couldn't resist). You only have to look at PA's top 100 to work out what I'm talking about
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Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: November 15 2020 at 03:50
I would not call it overrated. Like it or not, it's a rock solid album.
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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: November 15 2020 at 04:43
A Crimson Mellotron wrote:
dougmcauliffe wrote:
What's polarizing about it? I think 99% of people agree its a classic album with relatively strong pop rock songs front to back.
Not sure if this is the correct percentage
It is a strong pop rock album, some amazing songs, and some which are garbage.
I don't know of any songs that are "garbage" on the superb Rumours album, but you're welcome to Go Your Own Way.
Posted By: A Crimson Mellotron
Date Posted: November 15 2020 at 07:15
Psychedelic Paul wrote:
A Crimson Mellotron wrote:
dougmcauliffe wrote:
What's polarizing about it? I think 99% of people agree its a classic album with relatively strong pop rock songs front to back.
Not sure if this is the correct percentage
It is a strong pop rock album, some amazing songs, and some which are garbage.
I don't know of any songs that are "garbage" on the superb Rumours album, but you're welcome to Go Your Own Way.
Okay, okay, garbage might be a bit too extreme but 'Second Hand News', 'Never Going Back Again', 'Oh Daddy', 'Gold Dust Woman' are so edgeless and make me roll my eyes.
This said, 'The Chain' and 'Dreams' are killer tracks.
Posted By: kenethlevine
Date Posted: November 15 2020 at 08:29
not overrated at all
Posted By: dougmcauliffe
Date Posted: November 15 2020 at 09:42
Second Hand News and Never Going Back Again have always been some of my favorites
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Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: November 15 2020 at 09:46
I like Joe Jackson's version of "Oh Well". Beyond that, FM are a pass for me. All of their music is overrated to my ears.
Posted By: The Anders
Date Posted: November 15 2020 at 10:49
Don't know. It's not by any means groundbreaking or anything, but it's still a very good album. Perhaps it sounds a bit too streamlined and commercial, but the songs are very well crafted, and most importantly, it's a very accomplished album. Personal favourites: "Dreams", "The Chain", "You Make Loving Fun" and "Gold Dust Woman".
Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: November 15 2020 at 11:21
It’s an exceptional album, deservedly mega selling. I also love Tusk. The Mac were a great band, and Buckingham is a genius. One of my favourite non-prog albums is Gift Of Screws.
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Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: November 15 2020 at 12:16
So basically you don't like it so therefore it's overrated. Is it overplayed? For sure but it's a classic album for a reason.
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Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: November 15 2020 at 12:23
Maybe a bit overrated..not sure what you mean by polarizing.....I think I still have a vinyl copy...somewhere.
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Posted By: A Crimson Mellotron
Date Posted: November 15 2020 at 12:36
siLLy puPPy wrote:
So basically you don't like it so therefore it's overrated. Is it overplayed? For sure but it's a classic album for a reason.
Never said I don't like it. Perhaps, I love one half and despise the other... don't know where this stands on the like-dislike spectrum.
Posted By: A Crimson Mellotron
Date Posted: November 15 2020 at 12:38
Here's a beautiful cover of one of the songs I adore on this album, I hope it lifts the spirits on this thread a bit.
Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: November 15 2020 at 12:41
No, it is not overrated. It is an excellent example of pop/rock songwriting. The Chain and Gold Dust Woman are the best of these. Not my cup of tea as a whole, but you have to recognize the result.
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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: November 15 2020 at 12:45
It's one of those iconic albums that got played to death on American radio to the point that it's no longer listenable to me.
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: November 15 2020 at 12:48
Yes it's probably overrated, and the songs are simplistic. But it's also a great record, and the reason is because of how it sounds. Like most albums, it's the production, mix, engineering, and studio timbre that makes the difference.
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Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: November 15 2020 at 13:09
Rumours is awesome. It deserves all the accolades it gets and more.
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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: November 15 2020 at 13:42
Top Nine Best-Selling Albums of All Time:-
1. Michael Jackson - Thriller (1982)
2. AC/DC - Back in Black (1980)
3. Meat Loaf - Bat Out of Hell (1977)
4. Pink Floyd - Dark Side of the Moon (1973)
5. Whitney Houston - The Bodyguard (1992)
6. Eagles - Their Greatest Hits 1971-1975 (1976)
7. Bee Gees & Various Artists - Saturday Night Fever (1977)
8. Fleetwood Mac - Rumours (1977)
9. Shania Twain - Come On Over (1997)
Posted By: A Crimson Mellotron
Date Posted: November 15 2020 at 13:52
Psychedelic Paul wrote:
Top Nine Best-Selling Albums of All Time:-
1. Michael Jackson - Thriller (1982)
2. AC/DC - Back in Black (1980)
3. Meat Loaf - Bat Out of Hell (1977)
4. Pink Floyd - Dark Side of the Moon (1973)
5. Whitney Houston - The Bodyguard (1992)
6. Eagles - Their Greatest Hits 1971-1975 (1976)
7. Bee Gees & Various Artists - Saturday Night Fever (1977)
8. Fleetwood Mac - Rumours (1977)
9. Shania Twain - Come On Over (1997)
I wonder what the prog top 9 best-selling albums look like?
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: November 15 2020 at 13:54
^ depends where you're looking, I've just googled top selling albums and it's a different list.
Posted By: The Anders
Date Posted: November 15 2020 at 14:11
Psychedelic Paul wrote:
Top Nine Best-Selling Albums of All Time:-
1. Michael Jackson - Thriller (1982)
2. AC/DC - Back in Black (1980)
3. Meat Loaf - Bat Out of Hell (1977)
4. Pink Floyd - Dark Side of the Moon (1973)
5. Whitney Houston - The Bodyguard (1992)
6. Eagles - Their Greatest Hits 1971-1975 (1976)
7. Bee Gees & Various Artists - Saturday Night Fever (1977)
8. Fleetwood Mac - Rumours (1977)
9. Shania Twain - Come On Over (1997)
So, No. 10 must be Einstürzende Neubauten - Halber Mensch
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: November 15 2020 at 14:54
A Crimson Mellotron wrote:
Psychedelic Paul wrote:
Top Nine Best-Selling Albums of All Time:-
1. Michael Jackson - Thriller (1982)
2. AC/DC - Back in Black (1980)
3. Meat Loaf - Bat Out of Hell (1977)
4. Pink Floyd - Dark Side of the Moon (1973)
5. Whitney Houston - The Bodyguard (1992)
6. Eagles - Their Greatest Hits 1971-1975 (1976)
7. Bee Gees & Various Artists - Saturday Night Fever (1977)
8. Fleetwood Mac - Rumours (1977)
9. Shania Twain - Come On Over (1997)
I wonder what the prog top 9 best-selling albums look like?
The Top 25 Best Progressive Rock Albums (although not necessarily the best-sellers)
1. King Crimson - In the Court of the Crimson King (1969)
2. Genesis - Selling England by the Pound (1973)
3. Yes - Close to the Edge (1972)
4. Pink Floyd - Dark Side of the Moon (1973)
5. Jethro Tull - Thick as a Brick (1972)
6. Rush - Moving Pictures (1981)
7. King Crimson - Red (1974)
8. Pink Floyd - Wish You Were Here (1975)
9. Emerson, Lake & Palmer - Emerson, Lake & Palmer (1970)
10. Jethro Tull - Aqualung (1971)
11. Genesis - The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway (1974)
Prog or later pop, I'm sure that Genesis is in the top three.
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Posted By: dougmcauliffe
Date Posted: November 15 2020 at 16:20
I thought about that ^ but I didn't want to start a flame war
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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: November 15 2020 at 16:22
dougmcauliffe wrote:
I thought about that ^ but I didn't want to start a flame war
It is what is it is.
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Posted By: kenethlevine
Date Posted: November 15 2020 at 18:40
dougmcauliffe wrote:
Second Hand News and Never Going Back Again have always been some of my favorites
me too. Buckingham increasingly carried the group as time went by. "Tango in the NIght" was another album I liked a lot and it was mostly because of Buckingham
Posted By: kenethlevine
Date Posted: November 15 2020 at 18:41
lazland wrote:
It’s an exceptional album, deservedly mega selling. I also love Tusk. The Mac were a great band, and Buckingham is a genius. One of my favourite non-prog albums is Gift Of Screws.
I love Tusk too. It's got some of Buckingham's most quirky pieces as well as great contributions by the other two singer/songwriters
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: November 16 2020 at 01:48
I wouldn't call the Soap Opera Fleetwood over-rated.
If anything I think the Peter Green Fleetwood Mac is over-rated, nowadays. Outside their excellent Then Play On (both US and European version), most of their albums are just average blues-rock albums (don't get me wrong, I love blues rock) with the odd cool hits. Sooo, I can't help but thinking that if FM ever is over-rated in the band's career, it would've been nowadays, when talking of their 68/71 era.
someone_else wrote:
I would not call it overrated. Like it or not, it's a rock solid album.
Yup,probably the best-selling Yacht Rock album of all time.
Their previous one (FM) was not nearly as good, and TBH, I always found Tusk a waste of electricity and decibels.
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: November 16 2020 at 01:57
Sean Trane wrote:
I wouldn't call the Soap Opera Fleetwood over-rated.
If anything I think the Peter Green Fleetwood Mac is over-rated, nowadays. Outside their excellent Then Play On (both US and European version), most of their albums are just average blues-rock albums (don't get me wrong, I love blues rock) with the odd cool hits. Sooo, I can't help but thinking that if FM ever is over-rated in the band's career, it would've been nowadays, when talking of their 68/71 era.
I do not understand.
How is Peter Green era overrated?! The mainstream listener does not even know it exists.
There are FM compilations that only include Steve Nicks era songs.
It's only listeners that are into blues that listen to the Peter Green albums.
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: November 16 2020 at 03:47
Cristi wrote:
Sean Trane wrote:
I wouldn't call the Soap Opera Fleetwood over-rated.
If anything I think the Peter Green Fleetwood Mac is over-rated, nowadays. Outside their excellent Then Play On (both US and European version), most of their albums are just average blues-rock albums (don't get me wrong, I love blues rock) with the odd cool hits. Sooo, I can't help but thinking that if FM ever is over-rated in the band's career, it would've been nowadays, when talking of their 68/71 era.
I do not understand.
How is Peter Green era overrated?! The mainstream listener does not even know it exists.
There are FM compilations that only include Steve Nicks era songs.
It's only listeners that are into blues that listen to the Peter Green albums.
You're right! Before I went online in 2010, the only Fleetwood Mac song I'd heard before the Stevie Nicks era was "Albatross", mainly because that's the only Peter Green era Fleetwood Mac song that gets played regularly on the radio.
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: November 16 2020 at 03:54
Cristi wrote:
Sean Trane wrote:
I wouldn't call the Soap Opera Fleetwood over-rated.
If anything I think the Peter Green Fleetwood Mac is over-rated, nowadays. Outside their excellent Then Play On (both US and European version), most of their albums are just average blues-rock albums (don't get me wrong, I love blues rock) with the odd cool hits. Sooo, I can't help but thinking that if FM ever is over-rated in the band's career, it would've been nowadays, when talking of their 68/71 era.
I do not understand.
How is Peter Green era overrated?! The mainstream listener does not even know it exists.
There are FM compilations that only include Steve Nicks era songs.
It's only listeners that are into blues that listen to the Peter Green albums.
There are many compilation and archives exploitation discs of the Peter Green-only era.... probably more than the Soap opera years.
As for being over-rated, they can be so within a genre niche (blues-related music), and I think you understimate the PGFM popularity in both classic rock and mainstream. They had many hits in their early days, which are still getting airplay today.
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: November 16 2020 at 04:09
Sean Trane wrote:
Cristi wrote:
Sean Trane wrote:
I wouldn't call the Soap Opera Fleetwood over-rated.
If anything I think the Peter Green Fleetwood Mac is over-rated, nowadays. Outside their excellent Then Play On (both US and European version), most of their albums are just average blues-rock albums (don't get me wrong, I love blues rock) with the odd cool hits. Sooo, I can't help but thinking that if FM ever is over-rated in the band's career, it would've been nowadays, when talking of their 68/71 era.
I do not understand.
How is Peter Green era overrated?! The mainstream listener does not even know it exists.
There are FM compilations that only include Steve Nicks era songs.
It's only listeners that are into blues that listen to the Peter Green albums.
There are many comilation and archives exploitation discs of the Peter Green-only era.... probably more than the Soap opera years.
As for being over-rated, they can be so within a genre niche (blues-related music), and I think yoy're understimate the PGFM popularity in both classic rock and mainstream. They had many hits in their early days, which are still getting airplay today.
I don't think I underestimate at all. I've seen a couple of docs about FM, and guess which era of the band was praised the most. The Nicks era obviously.
PGFM are only popular for people who like blues. And Peter Green deserves all the appreciation and fame he's got.
Posted By: Argo2112
Date Posted: November 16 2020 at 08:04
I'm not sure if anyone covered this or not but if Rumors didn't exist we wouldn't have a video of a guy on a skateboard drinking cranberry juice lip syncing Dreams, so there's that.
Posted By: kenethlevine
Date Posted: November 16 2020 at 10:16
they are one of the only hugely successful groups that I love..so I am very protective of them!
Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: November 16 2020 at 11:11
dougmcauliffe wrote:
What's polarizing about it? I think 99% of people agree its a classic album with relatively strong pop rock songs front to back.
I agree, I spin it more than any other album of that era and genre, Eagles Hotel California comes in close 2nd.
Rumours is a brilliant album with amazing song writing by the whole band, and showed how talented they all are especially Stevie Nicks back in '77, what was she like 16yrs old or something .
I have several copies of the album my original version, a Steve Hoffman/Kevin Gray remastered version cut at RTI which is absolutely stunning!! And just picked up a clear LP version pressed at Optimal Media GmbH at Walmart for US$12, such a deal. Sound is not as good as the Hoffman version, but much better than my CD version.
Brilliant album.
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Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: November 16 2020 at 13:26
A Crimson Mellotron wrote:
siLLy puPPy wrote:
So basically you don't like it so therefore it's overrated. Is it overplayed? For sure but it's a classic album for a reason.
Never said I don't like it. Perhaps, I love one half and despise the other... don't know where this stands on the like-dislike spectrum.
Personally I prefer the term over exposed. Tastes may vary regarding how much we all like classic albums but hearing albums too much can help us hate albums that otherwise pretty good. I have to be in the right mood every few years to want to hear this album but still have to admit that it's brilliant pop music
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Posted By: TCat
Date Posted: November 16 2020 at 13:30
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: November 16 2020 at 14:41
overrated in that the Welch era albums like Bare Trees and especially Future Games were probably better albums.. but it was a great album.. albums do not become overexposed without first being a great album. .see Dark Side of the Moon
and it did have Stevie.. and she alone merits classic status...
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Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: November 16 2020 at 16:45
micky wrote:
overrated in that the Welch era albums like Bare Trees and especially Future Games were probably better albums.. but it was a great album.. albums do not become overexposed without first being a great album. .see Dark Side of the Moon
and it did have Stevie.. and she alone merits classic status...
I dunno. Milli Vanilli, Tiffany, New Kids on the Block were all over exposed at one time and I doubt many would call their teeny bopper crap classic :D
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: November 16 2020 at 17:47
really Puppy??... when you show me kiddies starting polls 40 years later about their albums being overrated.. then I'll consider them equivalent to the point i made with Rumours
and dont you dare diss New Kids... not only one of the best concerts I ever saw... probably the best sex i ever had for actually allowing myself to be talked into going to it. An open mind can lead to open legs.. no wonder proggers are such sad souls...
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Posted By: kenethlevine
Date Posted: November 16 2020 at 21:39
nice kitty...I approve
Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: November 16 2020 at 22:10
Ya know...I'm a bit disappointed that the 'proggers' here are discussing Rumours.....does anyone know if Progressive Ears are accepting new members...?
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Posted By: kenethlevine
Date Posted: November 16 2020 at 22:30
dr wu23 wrote:
Ya know...I'm a bit disappointed that the 'proggers' here are discussing Rumours.....does anyone know if Progressive Ears are accepting new members...?
see the snob thread for more details
Posted By: A Crimson Mellotron
Date Posted: November 17 2020 at 00:22
dr wu23 wrote:
Ya know...I'm a bit disappointed that the 'proggers' here are discussing Rumours.....does anyone know if Progressive Ears are accepting new members...?
It ain't disappointing at all, proggers are the ones who should be discussing this.
Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: November 17 2020 at 00:59
"Go your own way" is one of my favorite FM songs!
Lindsay sings the vocals, I used to think it was Stevie Nicks! Buckingham is also a hell of a good guitarist.
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: November 17 2020 at 03:25
Catcher10 wrote:
dougmcauliffe wrote:
What's polarizing about it? I think 99% of people agree its a classic album with relatively strong pop rock songs front to back.
I agree, I spin it more than any other album of that era and genre, Eagles Hotel California comes in close 2nd.
Rumours is a brilliant album with amazing song writing by the whole band, and showed how talented they all are especially Stevie Nicks back in '77, what was she like 16yrs old or something .
Nicks is born in 1948, do the math.
Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: November 17 2020 at 10:38
Cristi wrote:
Catcher10 wrote:
dougmcauliffe wrote:
What's polarizing about it? I think 99% of people agree its a classic album with relatively strong pop rock songs front to back.
I agree, I spin it more than any other album of that era and genre, Eagles Hotel California comes in close 2nd.
Rumours is a brilliant album with amazing song writing by the whole band, and showed how talented they all are especially Stevie Nicks back in '77, what was she like 16yrs old or something .
Nicks is born in 1948, do the math.
In 1977, I could careless when she was born, I was 12.......Friggin smokin HOT!!
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: November 17 2020 at 10:41
Catcher10 wrote:
Cristi wrote:
Catcher10 wrote:
dougmcauliffe wrote:
What's polarizing about it? I think 99% of people agree its a classic album with relatively strong pop rock songs front to back.
I agree, I spin it more than any other album of that era and genre, Eagles Hotel California comes in close 2nd.
Rumours is a brilliant album with amazing song writing by the whole band, and showed how talented they all are especially Stevie Nicks back in '77, what was she like 16yrs old or something .
Nicks is born in 1948, do the math.
In 1977, I could careless when she was born, I was 12.......Friggin smokin HOT!!
well, she was not 16.
Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: November 17 2020 at 11:22
Cristi wrote:
Catcher10 wrote:
Cristi wrote:
Catcher10 wrote:
dougmcauliffe wrote:
What's polarizing about it? I think 99% of people agree its a classic album with relatively strong pop rock songs front to back.
I agree, I spin it more than any other album of that era and genre, Eagles Hotel California comes in close 2nd.
Rumours is a brilliant album with amazing song writing by the whole band, and showed how talented they all are especially Stevie Nicks back in '77, what was she like 16yrs old or something .
Nicks is born in 1948, do the math.
In 1977, I could careless when she was born, I was 12.......Friggin smokin HOT!!
well, she was not 16.
But she was, indeed, friggin smoking hot!
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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: November 17 2020 at 11:34
A Crimson Mellotron wrote:
dr wu23 wrote:
Ya know...I'm a bit disappointed that the 'proggers' here are discussing Rumours.....does anyone know if Progressive Ears are accepting new members...?
It ain't disappointing at all, proggers are the ones who should be discussing this.
In that case, maybe I'll include Fleetwood Mac on my Prog Britannia YT channel.
Besides which, I'm already running out of prog artists beginning with the letter "F"
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: November 17 2020 at 11:37
Psychedelic Paul wrote:
A Crimson Mellotron wrote:
dr wu23 wrote:
Ya know...I'm a bit disappointed that the 'proggers' here are discussing Rumours.....does anyone know if Progressive Ears are accepting new members...?
It ain't disappointing at all, proggers are the ones who should be discussing this.
In that case, maybe I'll include Fleetwood Mac on my Prog Britannia YT channel.
Besides which, I'm already running out of prog artists beginning with the letter "F"
are you promoting your youtube channel? Not cool man, not cool.
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: November 17 2020 at 11:39
^ I think it would be cool to have Fleetwood Mac on my prog channel though, even though they're not prog.
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: November 17 2020 at 11:41
Psychedelic Paul wrote:
^ I think it would be cool to have Fleetwood Mac on my prog channel though, even though they're not prog.
are you promoting your youtube channel? Not cool man, not cool.
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: November 17 2020 at 13:04
Cristi wrote:
Psychedelic Paul wrote:
^ I think it would be cool to have Fleetwood Mac on my prog channel though, even though they're not prog.
are you promoting your youtube channel? Not cool man, not cool.
Deja Vu? Call me uncool then for shamelessly promoting my prog channel with your help.
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: November 17 2020 at 13:10
Psychedelic Paul wrote:
Cristi wrote:
Psychedelic Paul wrote:
^ I think it would be cool to have Fleetwood Mac on my prog channel though, even though they're not prog.
are you promoting your youtube channel? Not cool man, not cool.
Deja Vu? Call me uncool then for shamelessly promoting my prog channel with your help.
UNCOOL!
my help? at least you admit you are shamelessly promoting your youtube channel.
A shame i am the only one to object here.
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: November 17 2020 at 13:40
Cristi wrote:
Psychedelic Paul wrote:
Cristi wrote:
Psychedelic Paul wrote:
^ I think it would be cool to have Fleetwood Mac on my prog channel though, even though they're not prog.
are you promoting your youtube channel? Not cool man, not cool.
Deja Vu? Call me uncool then for shamelessly promoting my prog channel with your help.
UNCOOL!
my help? at least you admit you are shamelessly promoting your youtube channel.
A shame i am the only one to object here.
So What's New!?
Posted By: Heart of the Matter
Date Posted: November 17 2020 at 13:43
How can a gem possibly be overrated?
We're talking about this!
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: November 21 2020 at 04:50
I just read this interesting article about Fleetwood Mac on KOOL.FM today.....
"If you go back to their beginnings, they were a blues band, with the legendary Peter Green on guitar and vocals. But there's a middle period of time when Fleetwood Mac sounded more like a 'progressive rock' band."
"You may have seen some press in the past week or so about the death of Fleetwood Mac guitarist Bob Weston at the age of 64. And you probably thought, WHO? Weston is the inventive guitarist who replaced Peter Green. His licks are definitely spacey and progressive in sound."
On that basis, I've decided to add Fleetwood Mac to my Prog Britannia YouTube channel.
Posted By: The Anders
Date Posted: November 21 2020 at 14:20
I have tried, but I can't really get into the in-between period with Bob Welch. It remains a mystery to me.
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: November 21 2020 at 15:04
The Anders wrote:
I have tried, but I can't really get into the in-between period with Bob Welch. It remains a mystery to me.
It also remains a Mystery to Me how they came up with that bizarre album cover for Bob Weston's last album with Fleetwood Mac.
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: November 22 2020 at 08:08
Psychedelic Paul wrote:
I just read this interesting article about Fleetwood Mac on KOOL.FM today.....
"If you go back to their beginnings, they were a blues band, with the legendary Peter Green on guitar and vocals. But there's a middle period of time when Fleetwood Mac sounded more like a 'progressive rock' band."
"You may have seen some press in the past week or so about the death of Fleetwood Mac guitarist Bob Weston at the age of 64. And you probably thought, WHO? Weston is the inventive guitarist who replaced Peter Green. His licks are definitely spacey and progressive in sound."
On that basis, I've decided to add Fleetwood Mac to my Prog Britannia YouTube channel.
dear God man...
Weston did not replace Green... he replaced if can you call it that Danny Kirwan.. and Weston was more noted for the sordid (it was Fleetwood Mac after all) details of his firing that any musical contributions he made for the one album he played with them on.
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Posted By: kenethlevine
Date Posted: November 22 2020 at 09:11
I barely even recognized the Name Bob Weston, and had to look up his history with the Mac. Apparently he was only on 2 albums - "Penguin" and "Mystery to Me". I had forgotten that "Penguin" even existed, and don't think I have ever heard more than a song or two from it, back in the 1970s
Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: November 22 2020 at 11:26
Yes...Weston was really nothing to rave about...a mediocre replacement imho.
I recall first hearing someone play Penguin in a billiards hall/pinball arcade in college in late 73 and it was pretty boring for the most part...I bought Mytsery and Heroes later but never got Penguin and still don;t have a copy on vinyl.
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: November 22 2020 at 16:07
Penguin did have probably the single most prog song they ever did, even with the kick ass 'tron, so that makes it a bit of a semi-essential prog curio..
and a great song it was.
but yeah.. it was a strange album.. a real transition .. from Kirwan being a primary songwriter and THE primary musical focus to going to Welch's more jazzy inclinations on those last few albums he was with them.
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Posted By: Steve Wyzard
Date Posted: November 24 2020 at 10:58
After hearing songs from the album played relentlessly on the radio during the first summer of its release, I can say today that Rumours would be a much better record if "Go Your Own Way" and "Don't Stop" were replaced with "Silver Springs", the Stevie Nicks song that was relegated to a B-side. (And I say this as someone who tolerates Nicks and considers Lindsey Buckingham a true songwriting genius.)
Also, count me among those people who consider the Tusk album to be an immaculate masterpiece, and the best thing the band has ever done. I would not change one note.
Posted By: The Anders
Date Posted: November 24 2020 at 17:52
I personally think Stevie Nicks' songs are the most interesting ones on Rumours. Especially "Dreams" where the music fits the mood of the lyrics perfectly. Especially with its tonal unstability, or "uncertainty". You can hear it as switching forth and bach between the subdominant and dominant (except in the instrumental break) without reaching the tonic, and that's quite a daring thing to do. Or as the relatively rare mode of lydian. Or as aeolian with the tonic only appearing in the instrumental break.
Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: September 08 2021 at 21:21
It's not overrated in that I haven't seen too many people say it compares to the most influential albums of that decade. Yes, it sold really, really well which was a combination of its accessibility, consistency and production. The least good songs on Rumours are still just insubstantial, not BAD. And it has at least four great tracks - Dreams, Chain, Oh Daddy and Gold Dust Woman. I prefer the live cut of Go Your Own Way which is more rocking.
Personally, I prefer Future Dreams. But Rumours was clearly about a band trying to score a hit without really going THAT commercial (compared to say ABBA or disco). And it achieved that goal splendidly. While it is not a patch on the classic Pink Floyd albums, what it does have in common with them is an edge, a mystery that comes through on tracks like Chains. It's not all sweet candy. It rocks and has a soul.
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: September 09 2021 at 02:11
It's a very good album. It was their DSOTM, I guess in terms of commercial breakthrough and importance in their catalogue, and in defining their sound with Buckingham/Nicks.
I think Tusk is somewhat over praised, usually by people who think Rumours is very overrated, but I've always found it lacking in quality songs.
There's some gems on later albums; Mirage and Tango in the Night. Gypsy is probably my favourite Nicks song. Her performance gives me goosebumps on that track.
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Posted By: MortSahlFan
Date Posted: September 09 2021 at 04:44
Yeah, I think "Tusk" is the more overrated one.. I like "Rumours", and I think it gets a lot of praise because there's no junk on it, but outside of "The Chain" there's nothing GREAT like "Dark Side of the Moon" which is all GREAT.
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: September 09 2021 at 05:11
MortSahlFan wrote:
Yeah, I think "Tusk" is the more overrated one.. I like "Rumours", and I think it gets a lot of praise because there's no junk on it, but outside of "The Chain" there's nothing GREAT like "Dark Side of the Moon" which is all GREAT.
I totally agree on the overly-long "Tusk" double-album, which would have been much better released as a single album without Lindsey Buckingham's demos recorded in his garage.
As for "Rumours", it's my favourite Fleetwood Mac album and I love all the songs on there, so I don't think it's overrated at all.
Peter Green's Fleetwood Mac (1968)
Mr. Wonderful (1968)
The Pious Bird of Good Omen (1969)
Then Play On (1969)
Kiln House (1970)
Future Games (1971)
Bare Trees (1972)
Penguin (1973)
Mystery to Me (1973)
Heroes Are Hard to Find (1974)
Fleetwood Mac (1975)
Rumours (1977)
Tusk (1979)
Mirage (1982)
Tango in the Night (1987)
Behind the Mask (1990)
Time (1995)
Say You Will (2003)
Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: September 09 2021 at 06:34
Psychedelic Paul wrote:
I totally agree on the overly-long "Tusk" double-album, which would have been much better released as a single album without Lindsey Buckingham's demos recorded in his garage.
Well I love the Buckingham songs on Tusk, personally I would have kept them and the Stevie Nicks songs and gotten rid of the McVie ones.
Posted By: Hrychu
Date Posted: September 09 2021 at 06:35
no, it's not overrated
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Posted By: Progishness
Date Posted: September 09 2021 at 06:52
Hrychu wrote:
no, it's not overrated
I agree, though I just prefer it's eponymous predecessor, but would rate both albums 5/5 stars.
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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: September 09 2021 at 09:23
I think behind DSOtM it is the most repressed album of the past 30yrs. You speak to any record store owner and the two records they cite as most regular sellers and consistently top sellers are DSOtM and Rumours.
Listeners, especially the young, are discovering how brilliant both of these albums are every year.
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Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: September 09 2021 at 10:42
Psychedelic Paul wrote:
Then Play On (1969)
Mystery to Me (1973)
Fleetwood Mac (1975)
Rumours (1977)
Those are my four favorites, and I'd actually remove one star from Rumours and give it to Mystery to Me. (admittedly it's a weakish four for the latter and a strong one for the former)
If the much superior Silver Springs were on it instead of either of those dime a dozen songs Don't Stop or I Don't Want to Know - I'd rate it a five.
Posted By: Progishness
Date Posted: September 09 2021 at 11:42
Catcher10 wrote:
I think behind DSOtM it is the most repressed album of the past 30yrs. You speak to any record store owner and the two records they cite as most regular sellers and consistently top sellers are DSOtM and Rumours.
Listeners, especially the young, are discovering how brilliant both of these albums are every year.
As with the songs 'Bohemian Rhapsody' and 'Stairway to Heaven' those albums tend to suffer from over familiarity, as excellent as they all are.
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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: September 09 2021 at 11:57
Saperlipopette! wrote:
Psychedelic Paul wrote:
Then Play On (1969)
Mystery to Me (1973)
Fleetwood Mac (1975)
Rumours (1977)
Those are my four favorites, and I'd actually remove one star from Rumours and give it to Mystery to Me. (admittedly it's a weakish four for the latter and a strong one for the former)
If the much superior Silver Springs were on it instead of either of those dime a dozen songs Don't Stop or I Don't Want to Know - I'd rate it a five.
It's a Mystery to Me why anyone would think the Rumours album is overrated.
Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: September 09 2021 at 12:55
Psychedelic Paul wrote:
Saperlipopette! wrote:
Psychedelic Paul wrote:
Then Play On (1969)
Mystery to Me (1973)
Fleetwood Mac (1975)
Rumours (1977)
Those are my four favorites, and I'd actually remove one star from Rumours and give it to Mystery to Me. (admittedly it's a weakish four for the latter and a strong one for the former)
If the much superior Silver Springs were on it instead of either of those dime a dozen songs Don't Stop or I Don't Want to Know - I'd rate it a five.
It's a Mystery to Me why anyone would think the Rumours album is overrated.
Is it really such a mystery I find those two mentioned songs pretty dull and mediocre (they obviously are), and that the album would be better had they chosen the gorgeous Silver Springs over any of them? Stevie Nicks certainly agrees with me, as she eventually quit the band (years later) because her song was dropped.
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: September 09 2021 at 13:32
I've never purchased it mainly because I've heard many of the songs so many times so don't see the point. I doubt it's overrated but it's comfortable mainstream rock/pop for people that don't want too much in the way of challenging music. It's not boring though as the songs are unique and different.
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: September 09 2021 at 13:46
Surprisingly, "Then Play On" was voted the top album in a recent PA poll.....
1. Then Play On (50 points)
2. Rumours (34 points)
3. Bare Trees (21 points)
4. Peter Green's Fleetwood Mac (20 points)
5. Tango in the Night (14 points)
6. Fleetwood Mac 1975 (12 points)
7. Tusk (11 points)
7. Kiln House (11 points)
9. Future Games (10 points)
10. Heroes Are Hard to Find (9 points)
11. English Rose (8 points)
12. Mirage (7 points)
Posted By: suitkees
Date Posted: September 09 2021 at 14:15
Please, Paul, don't pretend your polls are PA polls. They are your polls, with your points system and with a very limited number of participants, so with no statistical value whatsoever. Don't confound yourself with PA, your polls are Psychedelic Paul polls.
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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: September 09 2021 at 15:49
Progishness wrote:
Catcher10 wrote:
I think behind DSOtM it is the most repressed album of the past 30yrs. You speak to any record store owner and the two records they cite as most regular sellers and consistently top sellers are DSOtM and Rumours.
Listeners, especially the young, are discovering how brilliant both of these albums are every year.
As with the songs 'Bohemian Rhapsody' and 'Stairway to Heaven' those albums tend to suffer from over familiarity, as excellent as they all are.
Both these albums have proven to be timeless....
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Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: September 10 2021 at 02:18
Saperlipopette! wrote:
Psychedelic Paul wrote:
Saperlipopette! wrote:
Psychedelic Paul wrote:
Then Play On (1969)
Mystery to Me (1973)
Fleetwood Mac (1975)
Rumours (1977)
Those are my four favorites, and I'd actually remove one star from Rumours and give it to Mystery to Me. (admittedly it's a weakish four for the latter and a strong one for the former)
If the much superior Silver Springs were on it instead of either of those dime a dozen songs Don't Stop or I Don't Want to Know - I'd rate it a five.
It's a Mystery to Me why anyone would think the Rumours album is overrated.
Is it really such a mystery I find those two mentioned songs pretty dull and mediocre (they obviously are), and that the album would be better had they chosen the gorgeous Silver Springs over any of them? Stevie Nicks certainly agrees with me, as she eventually quit the band (years later) because her song was dropped.
I don't want to know is comfortably the most dispensable, disposable song on that album. I am not very much fond of Don't Stop but it was undeniably a hit. And again, nothing wrong as such with the song. That's the thing with Rumours overall. The touches of then contemporary pop/rock sensibilities in songs like Dreams or You Make Loving Fun is very tasteful while songs like Second Hand News just hew towards more traditional genres. It's like a gateway folk-rock album with pop-rock touches.
Posted By: Frenetic Zetetic
Date Posted: September 10 2021 at 02:37
Catcher10 wrote:
Progishness wrote:
Catcher10 wrote:
I think behind DSOtM it is the most repressed album of the past 30yrs. You speak to any record store owner and the two records they cite as most regular sellers and consistently top sellers are DSOtM and Rumours.
Listeners, especially the young, are discovering how brilliant both of these albums are every year.
As with the songs 'Bohemian Rhapsody' and 'Stairway to Heaven' those albums tend to suffer from over familiarity, as excellent as they all are.
Both these albums have proven to be timeless....
I couldn't respectfully disagree more with the above if I tried - so I won't lol .
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Posted By: omphaloskepsis
Date Posted: September 10 2021 at 02:45
Psychedelic Paul wrote:
Surprisingly, "Then Play On" was voted the top album in a recent PA poll.....
1. Then Play On (50 points)
2. Rumours (34 points)
3. Bare Trees (21 points)
4. Peter Green's Fleetwood Mac (20 points)
5. Tango in the Night (14 points)
6. Fleetwood Mac 1975 (12 points)
7. Tusk (11 points)
7. Kiln House (11 points)
9. Future Games (10 points)
10. Heroes Are Hard to Find (9 points)
11. English Rose (8 points)
12. Mirage (7 points)
PA has spoken and they deem Then Play On worthy. I'll check it out. I've never listened to that one.
Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: September 10 2021 at 02:51
rogerthat wrote:
Saperlipopette! wrote:
Psychedelic Paul wrote:
Saperlipopette! wrote:
Psychedelic Paul wrote:
Then Play On (1969)
Mystery to Me (1973)
Fleetwood Mac (1975)
Rumours (1977)
Those are my four favorites, and I'd actually remove one star from Rumours and give it to Mystery to Me. (admittedly it's a weakish four for the latter and a strong one for the former)
If the much superior Silver Springs were on it instead of either of those dime a dozen songs Don't Stop or I Don't Want to Know - I'd rate it a five.
It's a Mystery to Me why anyone would think the Rumours album is overrated.
Is it really such a mystery I find those two mentioned songs pretty dull and mediocre (they obviously are), and that the album would be better had they chosen the gorgeous Silver Springs over any of them? Stevie Nicks certainly agrees with me, as she eventually quit the band (years later) because her song was dropped.
I don't want to know is comfortably the most dispensable, disposable song on that album. I am not very much fond of Don't Stop but it was undeniably a hot. And again, nothing wrong as such with the song. That's the thing with Rumours overall. The touches of then contemporary pop/rock sensibilities in songs like Dreams or You Make Loving Fun is very tasteful while songs like Second Hand News just hew towards more traditional genres. It's like a gateway folk-rock album with pop-rock touches.
Yes, and I still love the album (and never actually wrote that I considered it to be overrated), but the last three minutes of this are among my favorite three minutes of Fleetwood Mac.
I think all of their albums are quite patchy really. But at their best their best - they are the best (in popular music).
Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: September 10 2021 at 04:13
Saperlipopette! wrote:
rogerthat wrote:
Saperlipopette! wrote:
Psychedelic Paul wrote:
Saperlipopette! wrote:
Psychedelic Paul wrote:
Then Play On (1969)
Mystery to Me (1973)
Fleetwood Mac (1975)
Rumours (1977)
Those are my four favorites, and I'd actually remove one star from Rumours and give it to Mystery to Me. (admittedly it's a weakish four for the latter and a strong one for the former)
If the much superior Silver Springs were on it instead of either of those dime a dozen songs Don't Stop or I Don't Want to Know - I'd rate it a five.
It's a Mystery to Me why anyone would think the Rumours album is overrated.
Is it really such a mystery I find those two mentioned songs pretty dull and mediocre (they obviously are), and that the album would be better had they chosen the gorgeous Silver Springs over any of them? Stevie Nicks certainly agrees with me, as she eventually quit the band (years later) because her song was dropped.
I don't want to know is comfortably the most dispensable, disposable song on that album. I am not very much fond of Don't Stop but it was undeniably a hot. And again, nothing wrong as such with the song. That's the thing with Rumours overall. The touches of then contemporary pop/rock sensibilities in songs like Dreams or You Make Loving Fun is very tasteful while songs like Second Hand News just hew towards more traditional genres. It's like a gateway folk-rock album with pop-rock touches.
Yes, and I still love the album (and never actually wrote that I considered it to be overrated), but the last three minutes of this are among my favorite three minutes of Fleetwood Mac.
I think all of their albums are quite patchy really. But at their best their best - they are the best (in popular music).
Yes, I do agree that it would have been a much better track to have than either Don't Stop or I don't want to know. I think it was a bit of a Genesis like situation - too many good songwriters and not enough songs to accommodate everyone and with Lindsey somewhat hogging up the credits.