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Posted: October 05 2020 at 15:25
SteveG wrote:
verslibre wrote:
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Queensryche sound like a straight up hard rock band to me with obvious Floyd influences and a few concepts. Nothing they did makes me inthink of Rush. Same for Fates Warning but with more complex songs. Again, I'm asking if is influence or inspiration which are not the same thing.
I hate their big hit "Silent Lucidity." That's the song responsible for the Floyd comparison. Nothing else in their catalog sounds like that.
Silent Lucity also made them prog metal darlings. Before that they were heavy metal with a concept on Operation Mind Crime. I do like Silent Lucity btw.
Empire isn't the slightest bit prog-metal. I love most of it, but it's straight-up heavy metal with symphonic leanings on a couple songs. "Silent Lucidity" is a glossy number that expanded their audience, along with the syrup of "Jet City Woman," but that's about it. There's much better material on that album, like the title track, "Best I Can," "Resistance" and the overlooked "One and Only."
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Posted: October 05 2020 at 15:27
AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:
verslibre wrote:
SteveG wrote:
Queensryche sound like a straight up hard rock band to me with obvious Floyd influences and a few concepts. Nothing they did makes me think of Rush. Same for Fates Warning but with more complex songs. Again, I'm asking if is influence or inspiration which are not the same thing.
I hate their big hit "Silent Lucidity." That's the song responsible for the Floyd comparison. Nothing else in their catalog sounds like that.
Interesting because that's the song that got me into Queensryche. I bought that album(cd) "Empire" just because of that song. I still think it's one of the best songs of the 90's. Guilty pleasure? Maybe but I don't care. We like what we like right? It always did remind me a bit of PF so maybe that's part of it. But regardless I always thought it was a very powerful song.
If you guys like it, that's cool. FM radio played that and "Jet City Woman" non-stop. More power to the band. The concerts were amazing. Till them, I hadn't seen a band put on a show as good as Rush.
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Posted: October 05 2020 at 15:29
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I don't know "Silent Lucidity", but Operation: Mindcrime reminds me of The Wall.
Ok, I just listened to "Silent Lucidity", and yes, it was almost like I was listening to Pink Floyd.
No, I know how to behave in the restaurant now, I don't tear at the meat with my hands. If I've become a man of the world somehow, that's not necessarily to say I'm a worldly man.
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Posted: October 05 2020 at 15:50
verslibre wrote:
I prophesy disaster wrote:
I prophesy disaster wrote:
I don't know "Silent Lucidity", but Operation: Mindcrime reminds me of The Wall.
Ok, I just listened to "Silent Lucidity", and yes, it was almost like I was listening to Pink Floyd.
Except for the "one string guitar solo," right?
There were places where I was expecting to hear "I have become... comfortably numb".
No, I know how to behave in the restaurant now, I don't tear at the meat with my hands. If I've become a man of the world somehow, that's not necessarily to say I'm a worldly man.
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Posted: October 05 2020 at 15:53
SteveG wrote:
Queensryche sound like a straight up hard rock band to me with obvious Floyd influences and a few concepts. Nothing they did makes me think of Rush. Same for Fates Warning but with more complex songs. Again, I'm asking if is influence or inspiration which are not the same thing.
I hear Rush influences in Queensryche Rage for Order and Operation:Mindcrime.
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Posted: October 05 2020 at 16:07
verslibre wrote:
I prophesy disaster wrote:
I prophesy disaster wrote:
I don't know "Silent Lucidity", but Operation: Mindcrime reminds me of The Wall.
Ok, I just listened to "Silent Lucidity", and yes, it was almost like I was listening to Pink Floyd.
Except for the "one string guitar solo," right?
Well you better start naming me some of their songs with prog influences. I've actually tried to help you up to this point. Btw the guitar chord progressions on Silent Lucity are a slight variant from those on Comfortably Numb. Same tuning too.
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Posted: October 05 2020 at 16:22
SteveG wrote:
verslibre wrote:
I prophesy disaster wrote:
I prophesy disaster wrote:
I don't know "Silent Lucidity", but Operation: Mindcrime reminds me of The Wall.
Ok, I just listened to "Silent Lucidity", and yes, it was almost like I was listening to Pink Floyd.
Except for the "one string guitar solo," right?
Well you better start naming me some of their songs with prog influences. I've actually tried to help you up to this point. Btw the guitar chords progressions on Silent Lucity are a slight variant from those on Comfortably Numb. Same tuning too.
Not sure what you mean. I was really into them before Geoff ruined them. I saw them in concert several times. Great shows. Favorite album with Geoff is The Warning.
Their recent albums with current vocalist Todd La Torre are their best efforts since Empire. Check them out.
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Posted: October 05 2020 at 16:35
verslibre wrote:
SteveG wrote:
verslibre wrote:
I prophesy disaster wrote:
I prophesy disaster wrote:
I don't know "Silent Lucidity", but Operation: Mindcrime reminds me of The Wall.
Ok, I just listened to "Silent Lucidity", and yes, it was almost like I was listening to Pink Floyd.
Except for the "one string guitar solo," right?
Well you better start naming me some of their songs with prog influences. I've actually tried to help you up to this point. Btw the guitar chords progressions on Silent Lucity are a slight variant from those on Comfortably Numb. Same tuning too.
Not sure what you mean. I was really into them before Geoff ruined them. I saw them in concert several times. Great shows. Favorite album with Geoff is The Warning.
Their recent albums with current vocalist Todd La Torre are their best efforts since Empire. Check them out.
"NM 156" from The Warning. Enjoy.
Duh. Why do people think that only they have an intimate knowledge of the artists they like? Physical albums that I own of Queensryche include The Warning, Rage For Order, Mind Crime, Empire ad well as a sh*t load of downloads. No Rush influences here. Sorry Charlie.
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Posted: October 05 2020 at 16:41
Reread my post from the first page:
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Caress of Steel and 2112 are early totems on the highway to progressive metal.
Rush has influenced and inspired many musicians and bands.
In a late 1980s issue of Guitar for the Practicing Musician, in the introduction to an interview with Geddy, Rush was cited as "father to bands such as Queensryche and Dream Theater."
Dream Theater? Absolutely. All you have to do is play their debut When Dream and Day Unite and it's apparent. Rush was one of the bands those guys clearly worshipped, along with Iron Maiden, Led Zeppelin and Deep Purple.
At the time, I didn't agree with the Queensr˙che part, and I still don't. They liked Rush, no doubt, but their early sound is firmly of the Iron Maiden template. I do hear some Rush in Rage for Order, where they spread their wings a bit.
Tiles was brought up. They wanted to be "Rush Part Deux," but that's a lot harder to actually do than put on paper.
Mastermind's debut Volume One — minus the vocals, IMO, was a more successful attempt to emulate Rush and ELP...simultaneously! Derivative as hell, but I love it.
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Posted: October 05 2020 at 16:42
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If the influence means that Rush gives a Prog Metal band an idea of what to create, then I would call that inspiration. Influence and inspiration are related terms. From what I've read, Rush was an influence and an inspiration to various prog metal bands. Yes and Pink Floyd (Pink Floyd as mentioned already) were also inspirations.
It might help if you define the terms as you are using them.
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Posted: October 05 2020 at 16:49
He's right. They're related terms. Maybe you should start a poll. That may yield the answer you seek. The rest of us agree that "Rush influenced progressive metal."
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Posted: October 05 2020 at 16:54
Try looking up the definitions in an on line dictionary and see if they are related. They are not. I asked you to provide an example of Queensryche's music that was influenced by Rush. You did not. I do not post polls for people to state what they believe and don't understand.
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Posted: October 05 2020 at 17:13
SteveG wrote:
Try looking up the definitions in an on line dictionary and see if they are related. They are not. I asked you to provide an example of Queensryche's music that was influenced by Rush. You did not. I do not post polls for people to state what they believe and don't understand.
If you had read my post thoroughly, you'd know why.
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