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It took me a while to really get into Caravanserai. I had to get into Jazz first, before I could fully appreciate the album, because it's such a departure from Santana's usual style of music.
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Most people probably know this, but Neal Schon and Greg Rolie from Journey were in the early incantations of Santana, and Journey's first couple of albums were kind of a continuation of that sound before Steve Perry joined and they became the AOR hit machine that followed.
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Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

Most people probably know this, but Neal Schon and Greg Rolie from Journey were in the early incantations of Santana, and Journey's first couple of albums were kind of a continuation of that sound before Steve Perry joined and they became the AOR hit machine that followed.

Journey was already on the way to AOR before that, with previous vocalist Robert Fleischman, who was with them for about a year but didn't get to record an album.

Here's something many people don't know: Journey and Kansas toured together in '75. Every night, Journey played "I'm Gonna Leave You" (the last song on Look Into the Future). Listen to the opening and tell me where you've heard that before! Wink






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Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

Most people probably know this, but Neal Schon and Greg Rolie from Journey were in the early incantations of Santana, and Journey's first couple of albums were kind of a continuation of that sound before Steve Perry joined and they became the AOR hit machine that followed.
 
No, I didn't know that, even though I have the both the first Journey album and the first Santana album. Smile
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Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

Most people probably know this, but Neal Schon and Greg Rolie from Journey were in the early incantations of Santana

P.S. Gregg Rolie's an original member. He's on the first four albums. You can see the original line-up performing at Woodstock in the Viva Santana! video.

Neal Schon didn't show up till Caravanserai — as a high school dropout! Rolie and Schon left after that to form Journey.
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Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

Most people probably know this, but Neal Schon and Greg Rolie from Journey were in the early incantations of Santana

P.S. Gregg Rolie's an original member. He's on the first four albums. You can see the original line-up performing at Woodstock in the Viva Santana! video.

Neal Schon didn't show up till Caravanserai — as a high school dropout! Rolie and Schon left after that to form Journey.

Neal Schon joined the band on Santana III, not Caravanserai.


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Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

Neil Schon joined for Santana III, not Caravanserai.

Correct. Doing eight things at once over here. LOL
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Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

Most people probably know this, but Neal Schon and Greg Rolie from Journey were in the early incantations of Santana, and Journey's first couple of albums were kind of a continuation of that sound before Steve Perry joined and they became the AOR hit machine that followed.

Journey was already on the way to AOR before that, with previous vocalist Robert Fleischman, who was with them for about a year but didn't get to record an album.

Here's something many people don't know: Journey and Kansas toured together in '75. Every night, Journey played "I'm Gonna Leave You" (the last song on Look Into the Future). Listen to the opening and tell me where you've heard that before! Wink





I used to have the first Journey lp...never noticed that before....but who better to steal from than your touring pals.
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Yep, Kerry Livgren "borrowed" that section and developed it into Kansas' huge hit and concert staple "Carry On Wayward Son." Can't say I'm mad at him for doing that! LOL
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I can't tell you how much I love the first three albums by Santana but to be honest those are the only ones i've heard but Santana III is my favorite.
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Indeed . Carlos was of course associating with Mahavisnhu John Mclaughlin during this time, who had worked with Miles Davis. The two of them recorded the album 'Love Devotion & Surrender' which featured a cover of John Coltrane's  'Acknowledgement' , from 'A Love Supreme'. And Carlos also made an album with Alice Coltrane  'Illuminations' . But Santana were to change again, and leave the Jazz Rock Fusion behind. 


Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

It took me a while to really get into Caravanserai. I had to get into Jazz first, before I could fully appreciate the album, because it's such a departure from Santana's usual style of music.
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Santana from 1971-73 - from III to Welcome - really hits the spot.  Those albums bookend two fusion classics - Caravansarai and Love Devotion Surrender - and Lotus, the five-star triple LP souveneir of their '73 tour of Japan.  Each indispensible but nothing before or after really reaches these peaks.  There are moments - the Gabor Szabo track and Latin groove on the first and second albums; the Willie Nelson duet and his Chuck Berry cover on the Havana Moon LP; I've always loved the vocal on I'm Winning; the Blues for Salvador album had some of his best post-peak playing.....wow, I' guess dig Santana more than I remembered.  
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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

I came here expecting a Santana Appreciation thread, but I was wrong. Smile
 
I believe "Abraxas" is Santana's best album, so if you don't like that album, then you probably won't like any other Santana albums either. Wink
 
By the way, I've never heard any Santana songs that sound like Stoner Rock. Confused


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Originally posted by Intruder Intruder wrote:

Santana from 1971-73 - from III to Welcome - really hits the spot.  Those albums bookend two fusion classics - Caravansarai and Love Devotion Surrender - and Lotus, the five-star triple LP souveneir of their '73 tour of Japan.  Each indispensible but nothing before or after really reaches these peaks.  There are moments - the Gabor Szabo track and Latin groove on the first and second albums; the Willie Nelson duet and his Chuck Berry cover on the Havana Moon LP; I've always loved the vocal on I'm Winning; the Blues for Salvador album had some of his best post-peak playing.....wow, I' guess dig Santana more than I remembered.  

Pardon the late reply, but you are on the money with regard to Blues for Salvador! That record is hands-down the best thing to happen after peak Santana. I was shocked when I first heard it!

I do love Marathon, Zebop! and Shango, too. Just good music, period.
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Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:


Journey was already on the way to AOR before that, with previous vocalist Robert Fleischman, who was with them for about a year but didn't get to record an album.

Here's something many people don't know: Journey and Kansas toured together in '75. Every night, Journey played "I'm Gonna Leave You" (the last song on Look Into the Future). Listen to the opening and tell me where you've heard that before! Wink



I used to have the first Journey lp...never noticed that before....but who better to steal from than your touring pals.
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That track is on Journey's second album, not the debut

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Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

That track is on Journey's second album, not the debut
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