Santana
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Topic: Santana
Posted By: Greenmist
Subject: Santana
Date Posted: September 26 2020 at 14:02
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Same deal as with the thread i made today on The Pentangle, gave them a listen recently after looking through my mothers old vinyl lp's today. But i already knew of them, but just never checked out any of their albums before. Well i recently tried their Abraxas album, and for the most part, not really my cup of tea to be honest, the only song that stood out to me on that album was I Hope Your Feeling Better. Its gonna sound weird me saying this, but that song sounds like a typical stoners rock song lol. It sounds like the sought of song Orange Goblin would do. I know that stoners rock takes influence from 70s style rock, which was the decade of course that album was made in. I also know that Santana are also listed on here under Jazz/Rock Fusion.
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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: September 26 2020 at 14:31
I came here expecting a Santana Appreciation thread, but I was wrong.  I believe "Abraxas" is Santana's best album, so if you don't like that album, then you probably won't like any other Santana albums either.  By the way, I've never heard any Santana songs that sound like Stoner Rock.
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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: September 26 2020 at 15:36
I prefer Santana III, but short-changing Abraxas would be silly. As far as "stoner rock" I would suggest that in the first half of the 70s, every rock band could be considered stoner music, but that's only because the majority of the audience was impaired.  As for Santana III, some absolutely crazy stuff going on in that album....------------- ...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology... |
Psychedelic Paul wrote:Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: September 26 2020 at 16:14
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Speaking of Santana III (which I, too, agree is better than Abraxas), one time I was headed up the freeway to my favorite record shop, when KCRW started playing THIS. The effect was sublime! I was in Heaven. ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: September 26 2020 at 16:23
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Love the first 4 Santana lp's ....but even many of the later ones are good also. Don't see the stoner rock thing either but as Elf said many were impaired back in the day when listening to the old bands. ------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin |
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: September 26 2020 at 17:20
| Abaxas is really great. Everyone here knows they didn't write Black Magic Woman right? |
Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: September 26 2020 at 17:37
Yes, I'm pretty sure most everyone knows that. At least the old farts such as myself. I actually love the Fleetwood Mac version. ------------- ...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology... |
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: September 26 2020 at 17:56
Nor "Oye Como Va." ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: September 26 2020 at 17:58
Santana....stoner rock???  -------------   
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Posted By: Snicolette
Date Posted: September 26 2020 at 18:42
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Just sounds like someone who wasn't there then (which the opening statement essentially said). When Santana came out, music wasn't quite so sliced into so many sub-genres as it is now, the live shows were very varied, unlike a little later on, which started targeting more specific audiences (primarily in the interest of the promoter making more money). A lot of people had varied music collections as well, after a while, radio stations also became more and more focused on one type of music over another. A heavy emphasis on young males with expendable income, which led to a profusion of heavy metal (at least in Los Angeles, where many record deals were made). At least, that was my perspective from my location during the years of transition.
------------- "Into every rain, a little life must fall." ~Tom Rapp |
Posted By: The Anders
Date Posted: September 26 2020 at 19:19
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My relationship with Santana is forever destroyed by having had a music teacher who always had us play Black Magic Woman or Evil Ways... Listening to it now, I don't think I can say anything bad about it, but it doesn't really appeal to me. I do have their first two LP's on vinyl though, but I don't listen to them very often.
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Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: September 26 2020 at 19:40
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Caravanserai is godlike. Loved that one for decades. I only recently got III though - don’t know why I waited so long. It pretty much rules too. ------------- My other avatar is a Porsche It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle if it is lightly greased. -Kehlog Albran |
Posted By: Frenetic Zetetic
Date Posted: September 27 2020 at 00:26
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Abraxis and his 70's output are his best, IMHO. Very glad he was one of the few from that era that was able to transition to a successful major music career, but his radio stuff from the 90's on is nothing of his former glory IMHO! ------------- "I am so prog, I listen to concept albums on shuffle." -KMac2021 |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: September 27 2020 at 02:04
| Try the album Moonflower. That is the one that resonates with me and is easily the most enjoyable and accessible of their albums without being too much of a compromise. I don't listen to a lot of the earlier stuff. Santana was a great festival band in the early seventies and no festival was complete without them on the bill. |
Posted By: Boboulo
Date Posted: September 27 2020 at 02:57
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I'd like to recommend s/t debut from 1969, as my favourite record by Santana. |
Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: September 27 2020 at 03:15
I saw them play an outdoor festival in the South of France in the early 80s. Suffice to say there was a certain fragrance in the air.
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Posted By: dwill123
Date Posted: September 27 2020 at 04:26
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: September 27 2020 at 10:15
The Santana III – Caravanserai – Welcome trifecta is primo Santana. I love all the albums up through Milagro, but they never topped those. ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: dwill123
Date Posted: September 27 2020 at 11:10
Posted By: Droxford
Date Posted: September 27 2020 at 12:18
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I rate Caravanserai very highly . Santana were getting heavily in to John Coltrane and Pharoah Sanders at the time. Certainly the influence of Pharoah's album 'Thembi' shows through 'Caravanserai'. Yes enjoy III as well.
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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: September 27 2020 at 12:37
| It took me a while to really get into Caravanserai. I had to get into Jazz first, before I could fully appreciate the album, because it's such a departure from Santana's usual style of music. |
Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: September 27 2020 at 12:53
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Most people probably know this, but Neal Schon and Greg Rolie from Journey were in the early incantations of Santana, and Journey's first couple of albums were kind of a continuation of that sound before Steve Perry joined and they became the AOR hit machine that followed. ------------- 
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Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: September 27 2020 at 13:11
Journey was already on the way to AOR before that, with previous vocalist Robert Fleischman, who was with them for about a year but didn't get to record an album. Here's something many people don't know: Journey and Kansas toured together in '75. Every night, Journey played "I'm Gonna Leave You" (the last song on Look Into the Future). Listen to the opening and tell me where you've heard that before! ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: September 27 2020 at 13:15
No, I didn't know that, even though I have the both the first Journey album and the first Santana album.
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Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: September 27 2020 at 13:17
P.S. Gregg Rolie's an original member. He's on the first four albums. You can see the original line-up performing at Woodstock in the Viva Santana! video. Neal Schon didn't show up till Caravanserai — as a high school dropout! Rolie and Schon left after that to form Journey. ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: September 27 2020 at 13:25
Neal Schon joined the band on Santana III, not Caravanserai.
------------- ...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology... |
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: September 27 2020 at 13:26
Correct. Doing eight things at once over here. ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: September 27 2020 at 14:13
I used to have the first Journey lp...never noticed that before....but who better to steal from than your touring pals. ------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin |
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: September 27 2020 at 15:55
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Yep, Kerry Livgren "borrowed" that section and developed it into Kansas' huge hit and concert staple "Carry On Wayward Son." Can't say I'm mad at him for doing that! ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: progtime1234567
Date Posted: September 28 2020 at 19:22
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I can't tell you how much I love the first three albums by Santana but to be honest those are the only ones i've heard but Santana III is my favorite. |
Posted By: Droxford
Date Posted: September 29 2020 at 14:20
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Indeed . Carlos was of course associating with Mahavisnhu John Mclaughlin during this time, who had worked with Miles Davis. The two of them recorded the album 'Love Devotion & Surrender' which featured a cover of John Coltrane's 'Acknowledgement' , from 'A Love Supreme'. And Carlos also made an album with Alice Coltrane 'Illuminations' . But Santana were to change again, and leave the Jazz Rock Fusion behind.
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Posted By: Intruder
Date Posted: October 03 2020 at 15:03
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Santana from 1971-73 - from III to Welcome - really hits the spot. Those albums bookend two fusion classics - Caravansarai and Love Devotion Surrender - and Lotus, the five-star triple LP souveneir of their '73 tour of Japan. Each indispensible but nothing before or after really reaches these peaks. There are moments - the Gabor Szabo track and Latin groove on the first and second albums; the Willie Nelson duet and his Chuck Berry cover on the Havana Moon LP; I've always loved the vocal on I'm Winning; the Blues for Salvador album had some of his best post-peak playing.....wow, I' guess dig Santana more than I remembered. ------------- I like to feel the suspense when you're certain you know I am there..... |
Posted By: Paulo V
Date Posted: October 08 2020 at 11:09
I was going to say the same about our friend up there i hope he´s felling better ------------- Always taking the point with the dawn patrol fraternity... |
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: October 08 2020 at 11:17
Pardon the late reply, but you are on the money with regard to Blues for Salvador! That record is hands-down the best thing to happen after peak Santana. I was shocked when I first heard it! I do love Marathon, Zebop! and Shango, too. Just good music, period. ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: October 08 2020 at 11:29
That track is on Journey's second album, not the debut Yup, that's what   Zep did to Spirit with Taurus    |
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: October 08 2020 at 11:42
LITF is their second album: http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=19608" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=19608 ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |