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Originally posted by Rick1 Rick1 wrote:

Lol!  I have opened a hornet's nest with this one...I expected nothing else from the good folk of Prog Archives.  I tend to use Calyx - Aymeric Leroy's excellent Canterbury website - as a reference point for what is considered Canterbury related so my choices are conditioned by that.  


Calyx is very good -- I used to visit that a lot. PA's Canterbury Scene page is very useful too as is the album chart: CLICK

And rateyourmusic etc.

By the way, I could imagine that the book might well have made that claim without the 1970s addition, and it's not that non-sensical (especially if it came out in the 90s). I might disagree, but I have a longer lens to look back on and a different perspective. In other words I could imagine that you were very correct when you said "I read somewhere that National Health's 'Of Queues and Cures' was the last, great Canterbury album". So sorry for wanting to uphold the value of post-1970 Canterbury Scene and Related albums. It is so subjective.

By the way, sticking with the 70s, I would have included Mother Gong's Fairy Tales from November 1979. But you know, the more I think about it, I could see why someone would think that 1978 was the last really great (which might read as classic) year for Canterbury Scene music even if many albums I love came out later. National Health with the debut (my favourite National Health album) and Queues and Cures were both very significant releases.

Even though I definitely prefer National Health's earlier album, I'll go with Cures (we could do with more cures, and less queues). Western Culture is my favourite on the list, but I don't think of it as either Canterbury Scene or Sound ad I think it makes more sense given the premise (comparing to your book source) to vote for one that I think Canterbury Scene, and I do go with that pick.

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

The first step on the road to wisdom is the recognition of one's own ignorance.

 
I think I'm recognising my own ignorance when it comes to Canterbury Scene music, so maybe that makes me wiser. Wink


Not only is the recognition of one's own ignorance important, but knowing when not to pursue certain knowledge shows a certain wisdom too. :) There are some things that I'd rather not learn about or experience, and would not I think be of much value to me or even detrimental. There's only so much time. Listen to what interests you, but try to keep an open-mind even if you need to close those ears sometimes for your own well-being. :)



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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Raff Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 22 2020 at 03:35
Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

I would have to disagree with the premise, I think that were many great Canterbury Scene related albums that came later than all of these, and I think that the Canterbury Sound is still going strong.


Very much thisClap. Some new "Canterbury sound" albums are outstanding, if one bothers to look outside the Seventies. In any case, I wouldn't call either Western Culture (which is a masterpiece, though not exactly easy listening) or UK's debut Canterbury - certainly not in terms of sound. Camel's Breathless has a stronger claim, IMHO.
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Originally posted by Frenetic Zetetic Frenetic Zetetic wrote:

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U.K. are nowhere near related to anything Canterbury IMO.
Classic days - Of Queues and Cures for sure. But there are many great albums from this sub-genre since then and even in very recent times.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Rick1 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 22 2020 at 06:26
Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

Originally posted by Frenetic Zetetic Frenetic Zetetic wrote:

U.K. ST.
U.K. are nowhere near related to anything Canterbury IMO.
Classic days - Of Queues and Cures for sure. But there are many great albums from this sub-genre since then and even in very recent times.


See discussion earlier in thread....
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From this list, Health. One of the best bands and best albums ever made.
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Originally posted by Raff Raff wrote:

Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

I would have to disagree with the premise, I think that were many great Canterbury Scene related albums that came later than all of these, and I think that the Canterbury Sound is still going strong.


Very much thisClap. Some new "Canterbury sound" albums are outstanding, if one bothers to look outside the Seventies. In any case, I wouldn't call either Western Culture (which is a masterpiece, though not exactly easy listening) or UK's debut Canterbury - certainly not in terms of sound. Camel's Breathless has a stronger claim, IMHO.

Have to agree in both cases, Canterbury is still alive though in a lesser form, UK's debut is a long long way from Canterbury (Jobson doesn't do whimsy), Henry Cow's only Canterbury related album is Leg End. 

I'd probably pick something by The Muffins or Antique Seeking Nuns from the more modern stuff.

Of those offered I'll pick Western Culture as it's top 10 all-time for me (though purely RIO/Avant), just ahead of the superb Of Queues and Cures.

Henry Cow > National Health > Gilgamesh > Gong


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Originally posted by Rick1 Rick1 wrote:

I read somewhere that National Health's 'Of Queues and Cures' was the last, great Canterbury album of the 1970s.  I want to put that one to the test with the learned membership of Prog Archives. 
Do y'all not read the OP?
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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

I didn't know the band U.K were part of the Canterbury Scene. Ermm
Same here. I never thought of them as Canterbury.
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Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

Originally posted by Rick1 Rick1 wrote:

I read somewhere that National Health's 'Of Queues and Cures' was the last, great Canterbury album of the 1970s.  I want to put that one to the test with the learned membership of Prog Archives. 
Do y'all not read the OP?

He should have probably put that in the title.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote BrufordFreak Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 22 2020 at 08:04
Misleading title as there have been just as many great Canterbury-related releases in the last 10-20 years.

Of the ones posted, only Gilgamesh and National Health retain any resemblance to the musical styles that started it all (early Soft Machine, Caravan, Uriel, & Egg).


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote progmatic Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 22 2020 at 13:31
Voted UK but don't think of them as Canterbury AT ALL. Same with several other choices here. Gilgamesh or National Health should get the votes.
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UK's and Camel's albums are the best, but neither is Canterbury scene.
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Originally posted by Hercules Hercules wrote:

UK's and Camel's albums are the best, but neither is Canterbury scene.
 
I'll save my vote for Camel in the Guildford Scene poll. Wink
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Originally posted by BrufordFreak BrufordFreak wrote:

Misleading title as there have been just as many great Canterbury-related releases in the last 10-20 years.



Save your breath, DrewLOL. There's no life (or no prog) beyond the 1970sWink!

Anyway, another vote for Of Queues and Cures, an absolute masterpiece.
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Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

Originally posted by Rick1 Rick1 wrote:

I read somewhere that National Health's 'Of Queues and Cures' was the last, great Canterbury album of the 1970s.  I want to put that one to the test with the learned membership of Prog Archives. 
Do y'all not read the OP?


Not sure if you read through the thread, but originally the OP just said "I read somewhere that National Health's 'Of Queues and Cures' was the last, great Canterbury album. I want to put that one to the test with the learned membership of Prog Archives." I suggested editing the OP to make his time-frame clearer as that came up in a later post. I didn't think he'd be adding that "...of the 1970s" to what he remembered having read. I think such discussions are better done not as polls. If the question had been, "What do you think is the last great Canterbury Scene or Canterbury Scene related album of the 1970s?" then my approach would have been different. I actually wouldn't have opened it up to non-Canterbury Scene albums if we are questioning the National Health claim about Of Queues and Cures being the last great Canterbury Scene album that he read somewhere. and he "want[s] to put that one to the test with the learned membership of Prog Archives."   Including ones not considered Canterbury scene seems quite irrelevant to the claim. And if doing such a poll, I think it screams for an "other" option.

The claim certainly is quite different when one adds "of the 1970s" (as was edited in later), and I wish I could read the source material. By the way, Cuneiform records and the PA bio for National Health both start with the claim that "National Health was one of the last of the great "Canterbury-style" progressive rock bands." And of course the topic title still asks the question "Last great Canterbury related album?" And if I disagree that 'Of Queues and Cures' was the last great album of its ilk, I don;t think it need matter if the claim said of the 7Os or not in answering the question "what do we think is the last great Canterbury related album?"

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Taken as a bunch of albums, my vote goes to Another Fine Tune You've Got Me Into. One of the tastiest jazz-fusion albums out there. 


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Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

Originally posted by Rick1 Rick1 wrote:

I read somewhere that National Health's 'Of Queues and Cures' was the last, great Canterbury album of the 1970s.  I want to put that one to the test with the learned membership of Prog Archives. 
Do y'all not read the OP?


Not sure if you read through the thread, but originally the OP just said "I read somewhere that National Health's 'Of Queues and Cures' was the last, great Canterbury album. I want to put that one to the test with the learned membership of Prog Archives." I suggested editing the OP to make his time-frame clearer as that came up in a later post. I didn't think he'd be adding that "...of the 1970s" to what he remembered having read. I think such discussions are better done not as polls. If the question had been, "What do you think is the last great Canterbury Scene or Canterbury Scene related album of the 1970s?" then my approach would have been different. I actually wouldn't have opened it up to non-Canterbury Scene albums if we are questioning the National Health claim about Of Queues and Cures being the last great Canterbury Scene album that he read somewhere. and he "want[s] to put that one to the test with the learned membership of Prog Archives."   Including ones not considered Canterbury scene seems quite irrelevant to the claim. And if doing such a poll, I think it screams for an "other" option.

The claim certainly is quite different when one adds "of the 1970s" (as was edited in later), and I wish I could read the source material. By the way, Cuneiform records and the PA bio for National Health both start with the claim that "National Health was one of the last of the great "Canterbury-style" progressive rock bands." And of course the topic title still asks the question "Last great Canterbury related album?" And if I disagree that 'Of Queues and Cures' was the last great album of its ilk, I don;t think it need matter if the claim said of the 7Os or not in answering the question "what do we think is the last great Canterbury related album?"

Blimey.  I apologise for posting this poll.  Please, can everyone go back to deciding whether or not Rush is better than Jethro Tull?  I thank you.
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