Interactive Poll # 666 - GUILTY!

Meltdowner wrote: Snicolette wrote: Meltdowner ~ lena d’Agua & atlantida Reminds me of Nena, poppy and upbeat, but in a kind of quirky way.  I could see this becoming an earworm.  Let’s see if it does in the next couple of days here. Never though about it but I can see the similarities, besides the name. I picked this one out of a different embarrassment, her concert was one of the last I saw and I was from a completely different demographic (it was mostly women in their late 50's/60's), that I was standing out too much in the audience By the way (out of competition), the B-side from that single is quite proggy. The composer listened to VdGG for sure:

  Interesting, came out in the 80's also....in the beginning she still reminded me of Nena, but when the changeup came, definitely more proggy than Nena.  

Logan wrote: micky wrote: Easy Money wrote: If we are supposed to pick just one song, I will go with "Take On Me". surprised you didn't go with Skynerd   If one really thinks of it.. they sort of are the very definition of a guilty pleasure.. a band you are ashamed to like.. but are too damn good NOT to like. I was thinking about related things yesterday, wrote quite a lot, but opted not to post my thoughts. Now I will. I was wondering if some people's guilty pleasures would be songs or artists that represent values antithetical to their own, real or espoused. So, for instance, someone who is part of the Black Lives Matter protests but also likes southern confederate state supporting rock, or a Westboro Baptist Church member who loves Samwell's "What What (In the Butt)"; an Ultra Conservative Senator who espouses family values that loves "depraved" (according to what they espouse) porncore music, or an evangelical who secretly loves and sing along to Black Widow's "Come to the Sabbat" (Satan's there) -- I love that song but wouldn't have played it around my Born Again wife. Or someone who despises/is very ashamed about something about themselves, say a secret philia, but still listens to songs and watches videos that appeal to that philia. I for one am not ashamed of what I like -- well, I could be depending upon the person who would hear me listening to, reqading it, or watching it. I was fascinated by True Crime, and felt some revulsion in the fascination. That doesn;t mean I support or like the crime, it's more the psychological and forensics angle. I don't like hearing about the gory details, and have cried when hearing certian things.   I do get embarrassed more than I would like. I consider myself to be a liberal, secular humanist, but enjoy music by artists that espouse a very different worldview. I abhor murder and murderers, but I still enjoy murder mysteries, am, as said, interested in true crime, and have albums by convicted murderers -- Bobby Beausoleil, a convicted murderer linked to the Manson family made one of my favourite albums, a soundtrack for Kenneth Anger's Lucifer Rising, Jimmy Page also made one, but he had a falling out with Anger. I enjoy various nasheeds even though certain Jihadists play them for inspiration. I thought about listing a nasheed. I tried hard to think of something I was genuinely ashamed to like in music, but had problems thinking of those. I'm hardly shameless and do have secrets even if they aren't really very dark, and I would be willing to share those with various people. If I dug deeper in myself, I expect that I could list something that is a true guilty pleasure, but I don't know how deep into my psyche I'd want to go, or maybe I'm ultimately a very shallow person, which in itself would be a disheartening prospect -- like I looked deep into myself and found nothing there. Actually, there is music I could post that while I don't feel guilty about liking it, I would feel uncomfortable posting it. Nothing that bad for me, but others may be offended, and I don;t like causing offence even if I often do. Well, more correctly, sometimes I have enjoyed shocking and being offensive, but then I feel guilty about it afterwards, and sometimes I don't mean offense and try to be tactful but it offends others.

  I have had a little bit of trouble enjoying music of people who are completely antithetical to my views, I have to admit.  Like Ted Nugent (there are others, but he comes to mind first and foremost when I consider this).  And I'm not gonna change that prejudice in myself.  I also have met a lot of musical household names, some of whose music I didn't care that much for, but the people are engaging and caring kinds of people, so I have grown to love some of their music, for their real personalities being in it, opposite of Ted's personality.  

Snicolette wrote: Logan wrote: micky wrote: Easy Money wrote: If we are supposed to pick just one song, I will go with "Take On Me". surprised you didn't go with Skynerd   If one really thinks of it.. they sort of are the very definition of a guilty pleasure.. a band you are ashamed to like.. but are too damn good NOT to like. I was thinking about related things yesterday, wrote quite a lot, but opted not to post my thoughts. Now I will. I was wondering if some people's guilty pleasures would be songs or artists that represent values antithetical to their own, real or espoused. So, for instance, someone who is part of the Black Lives Matter protests but also likes southern confederate state supporting rock, or a Westboro Baptist Church member who loves Samwell's "What What (In the Butt)"; an Ultra Conservative Senator who espouses family values that loves "depraved" (according to what they espouse) porncore music, or an evangelical who secretly loves and sing along to Black Widow's "Come to the Sabbat" (Satan's there) -- I love that song but wouldn't have played it around my Born Again wife. Or someone who despises/is very ashamed about something about themselves, say a secret philia, but still listens to songs and watches videos that appeal to that philia. I for one am not ashamed of what I like -- well, I could be depending upon the person who would hear me listening to, reqading it, or watching it. I was fascinated by True Crime, and felt some revulsion in the fascination. That doesn;t mean I support or like the crime, it's more the psychological and forensics angle. I don't like hearing about the gory details, and have cried when hearing certian things.   I do get embarrassed more than I would like. I consider myself to be a liberal, secular humanist, but enjoy music by artists that espouse a very different worldview. I abhor murder and murderers, but I still enjoy murder mysteries, am, as said, interested in true crime, and have albums by convicted murderers -- Bobby Beausoleil, a convicted murderer linked to the Manson family made one of my favourite albums, a soundtrack for Kenneth Anger's Lucifer Rising, Jimmy Page also made one, but he had a falling out with Anger. I enjoy various nasheeds even though certain Jihadists play them for inspiration. I thought about listing a nasheed. I tried hard to think of something I was genuinely ashamed to like in music, but had problems thinking of those. I'm hardly shameless and do have secrets even if they aren't really very dark, and I would be willing to share those with various people. If I dug deeper in myself, I expect that I could list something that is a true guilty pleasure, but I don't know how deep into my psyche I'd want to go, or maybe I'm ultimately a very shallow person, which in itself would be a disheartening prospect -- like I looked deep into myself and found nothing there. Actually, there is music I could post that while I don't feel guilty about liking it, I would feel uncomfortable posting it. Nothing that bad for me, but others may be offended, and I don;t like causing offence even if I often do. Well, more correctly, sometimes I have enjoyed shocking and being offensive, but then I feel guilty about it afterwards, and sometimes I don't mean offense and try to be tactful but it offends others.   I have had a little bit of trouble enjoying music of people who are completely antithetical to my views, I have to admit.  Like Ted Nugent (there are others, but he comes to mind first and foremost when I consider this).  And I'm not gonna change that prejudice in myself.  I also have met a lot of musical household names, some of whose music I didn't care that much for, but the people are engaging and caring kinds of people, so I have grown to love some of their music, for their real personalities being in it, opposite of Ted's personality.   My late husband also was completely addicted to Law and Order, we have every episode on DVD.  And also Criminal Minds (as far as addicted to watching, although that sometimes was too heavy for him, especially later on in the show).  So I understand that the fascination doesn't mean one wishes to become one of the bad guys.

Logan wrote: micky wrote: Easy Money wrote: If we are supposed to pick just one song, I will go with "Take On Me". surprised you didn't go with Skynerd   If one really thinks of it.. they sort of are the very definition of a guilty pleasure.. a band you are ashamed to like.. but are too damn good NOT to like. I was thinking about related things yesterday, wrote quite a lot, but opted not to post my thoughts. Now I will. I was wondering if some people's guilty pleasures would be songs or artists that represent values antithetical to their own, real or espoused. So, for instance, someone who is part of the Black Lives Matter protests but also likes southern confederate state supporting rock, or a Westboro Baptist Church member who loves Samwell's "What What (In the Butt)"; an Ultra Conservative Senator who espouses family values that loves "depraved" (according to what they espouse) porncore music, or an evangelical who secretly loves and sing along to Black Widow's "Come to the Sabbat" (Satan's there) -- I love that song but wouldn't have played it around my Born Again wife. Or someone who despises/is very ashamed about something about themselves, say a secret philia, but still listens to songs and watches videos that appeal to that philia. I for one am not ashamed of what I like -- well, I could be depending upon the person who would hear me listening to, reqading it, or watching it. I was fascinated by True Crime, and felt some revulsion in the fascination. That doesn;t mean I support or like the crime, it's more the psychological and forensics angle. I don't like hearing about the gory details, and have cried when hearing certian things.   I do get embarrassed more than I would like. I consider myself to be a liberal, secular humanist, but enjoy music by artists that espouse a very different worldview. I abhor murder and murderers, but I still enjoy murder mysteries, am, as said, interested in true crime, and have albums by convicted murderers -- Bobby Beausoleil, a convicted murderer linked to the Manson family made one of my favourite albums, a soundtrack for Kenneth Anger's Lucifer Rising, Jimmy Page also made one, but he had a falling out with Anger. I enjoy various nasheeds even though certain Jihadists play them for inspiration. I thought about listing a nasheed. I tried hard to think of something I was genuinely ashamed to like in music, but had problems thinking of those. I'm hardly shameless and do have secrets even if they aren't really very dark, and I would be willing to share those with various people. If I dug deeper in myself, I expect that I could list something that is a true guilty pleasure, but I don't know how deep into my psyche I'd want to go, or maybe I'm ultimately a very shallow person, which in itself would be a disheartening prospect -- like I looked deep into myself and found nothing there. Actually, there is music I could post that while I don't feel guilty about liking it, I would feel uncomfortable posting it. Nothing that bad for me, but others may be offended, and I don;t like causing offence even if I often do. Well, more correctly, sometimes I have enjoyed shocking and being offensive, but then I feel guilty about it afterwards, and sometimes I don't mean offense and try to be tactful but it offends others.

^ Ted Nugent came to my mind too when seeing this topic, although I'm not a fan of his music, or him as a person as one would hopefully guess.

^^ Lewian, I have yet to read through this thread or check out many of the songs, but I will get around to it before too long. I don't want to be behind when the next topic starts -- that way will lead to total burn-out for me, and I know I have a topic to do at some time (I may be next in the queue).

Raff wrote: I do occasionally have a problem with liking music made by people whose views I find abhorrent. Being a hard rock fan, sometimes I have to struggle to get over the blatant sexism of the lyrics, but as a whole it doesn't prevent me from enjoying the music. However, Ted Nugent is a whole different ballgame. The guy is so repulsive that I would feel almost ashamed to like his music. Anyway, it's interesting we are having this discussion when there is a thread about Lovecraft-inspired prog (or prog-related) somewhere else in the Forums. Lovecraft's views were even worse than Ted Nugent's (though he was a much smarter and better-educated person), but I still love reading his works, even if the racist rants they are peppered with make me cringe.

Me too, re Lovecraft....also, Dali had some views I dislike, but I still love his art nonetheless.  As far as sexism, it's one of my big beefs about rap....lots of it in metal, too.  No matter what, it often seems kind of puerile to me, if not downright obnoxious.  

TCat wrote: I'll write a list of comments on most of the submissions made later today if anyone is interested.

Snicolette wrote: Logan wrote:  I abhor murder and murderers, but I still enjoy murder mysteries, am, as said, interested in true crime, and have albums by convicted murderers -- Bobby Beausoleil, a convicted murderer linked to the Manson family made one of my favourite albums, a soundtrack for Kenneth Anger's Lucifer Rising, Jimmy Page also made one, but he had a falling out with Anger. I have a couple of very odd connections to the Manson family (not personally, but very close).  One is here:  My second husband (Mike Slarve) was a concert promoter long before I met him, he grew up in the San Fernando Valley and pretty much knew everyone in the business, or anywhere near it.  Remember, Charlie wanted to be a musical star.  He came over to Mike's house, again long before I met him, which tended to have a party atmosphere, as the rock world was at that particular time (and probably still is, Mike's company then was "Joint Productions").   The Spahn ranch wasn't far away from where Mike lived at that time, in an area known as Box Canyon.  Anyway, Charlie brought out a baby rattlesnake that he'd found and started to torture it with a stick and Mike kicked him out of the house and told him never to come back, he was really creeped out by him, as anyone in their right mind would be.  Link to article on Box Canyon:  https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/box-canyon Link to Spahn Ranch, where we used to go dog walking when we lived in the Valley, cool place (other than the Mansons), with an old west movie lot on it.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spahn_Ranch

How very interesting, thanks for sharing. I've heard some of Manson's music-- liked it to be honest. I think the last film I saw in the cinema was Tanantino's Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, which controversially plays on the Manson family story. I liked the film, but I wasn't comfortable with it.   Speaking of films, and since there is a sad Polanski connection with Tarantino's film and Manson (the Sharon Tate angle is what made that film most uncomfortable for me, even if I think it's a clever concept -- reminds me of Robert Altman's The Player in a sense), I like Roman Polanski films even though I have problems with the man. I have known some who would refuse to watch any of his films on moral grounds.

There was a big Magma controversy due to Christian Vander's fascination with Nazi Germany and the utilisation of Nazi iconography and such.

Edited by Logan - July 03 2020 at 11:56

micky wrote: interesting Greg... two of my favorite songs from two of my favorites ... and yeah they do share a commonality  Guess such morbid subject matter can make for the most interesting musical interpretations..

Yes. related, I rember that Blind Mlon had some controversy incolving the bee girl and paedophilia in their hit song "No Rain" (I loved that song) Which reminds me of another, that might be too popuar fora such a poll, but maybe should be my choice. I love Lolita, novel and Kubrick filmas well as the remake, and many are uncomfortable with that, but this Rolling Stones tune has uncomfortable lyrics, but I still like it. Yes, while I dislike the subject matter, perhaps this should my choice, I do feel rather guilty for having liked it.



For that matter, I posted a track in the first poll from Serge Gainsbourg's Histoire de Melody Nelson (I love that album) which is similarly uncomfortable.    I was into a young Japanese quirky singer, and my wife accused me of being a dirty old man ogling young girls (I'm younger than my wife -- how dare she call me old) ;) , which was not true at all (my wife and I met in Japan). Maybe this could have been my choice, because for a while I did feel guilty about liking her music.

Kyari Pamyu Pamyu





Edited by Logan - July 03 2020 at 12:16