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Poll Question: Which three?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Lewian Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 02 2020 at 01:58
I don't quite get how from all the things somebody has posted it is decided what eventually is in the poll.
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Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

I don't quite get how from all the things somebody has posted it is decided what eventually is in the poll.

The decision is up to each person who his/her choice is. The idea was for each person to put out one initial selection and optionally some alternatives, and then whatever discussion comes in can influence each person's final decision. What I didn't foresee is the number of posts happening. I originally stated that each person can edit his or her original post to clarify the final decision. Lacking any clarification, I'll put what's in the original post. 

So, each person can still clarify in their original post, but if needed, also post a follow up with name of artist and song title.

For now, I've saved the youtube videos posted in this thread that I could (a few were not playable in U.S., so no Mendocino, Nik Kershaw, and Goran Bregovich, and kid songs cannot be saved to playlists, so no Wiggles, Baby Sharks, Blippi, etc.) to a playlist (from Plasmatics to Lana del Rey). This includes videos not meant for nomination. 


If I've left off out a video, let me know. I'll periodically update the playlist. Later, I'll make a playlist of just the nominated songs.



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the Lana Del Rey song is my nomination. 
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My nominations:

CCCP and Amanda Lear: Tomorrow

or 

Goran Bregovic: Bella Ciao.

If Somebody wanted to advice me, I'd be grateful to him.


Edited by jamesbaldwin - July 02 2020 at 07:38
Amos Goldberg (professor of Genocide Studies at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem): Yes, it's genocide. It's so difficult and painful to admit it, but we can no longer avoid this conclusion.
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I have one more alternative. 



Post-make up Kiss, repetitive lyrics, cheesy band surrounded by fire video. I know.
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Originally posted by mathman0806 mathman0806 wrote:

I have one more alternative. 



Post-make up Kiss, repetitive lyrics, cheesy band surrounded by fire video. I know.

Your video reminded me of this other one: who are more horny?







Edited by jamesbaldwin - July 02 2020 at 07:44
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My nom shall be Weird Al - White and Nerdy.
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Originally posted by Raff Raff wrote:

I don't really believe in the whole "guilty pleasure" thing. However, this particular song (which I have always loved) might sound rather out of character to some people:

This song is one of my fave synth-pop song! No Guilt!
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Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

I've got four for now:

The Shaggs are often ridiculed, but I genuinely love the whole Philosophy of the World album:

"My Pal Foot Foot"


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Bob Crewe and Charles Fox - Barbarella


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A friend on mine offered me good money to destroy my Bauhaus CD that has this on it. I refused out of principle.

Bauhaus - In the Flat Field

"Yin and yang lumber punch
Go taste a tart, then eat my lunch" (I love to quote those lyrics)



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Also, I love many "Shreds", but others have not appreciated such things. This is a favourite of mine (that bassoon!) -- could almost be RIO/Avant:

The Cure - If Only Tonight We Could Sleep (Shred version)



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Ultimately I'm not really embarrassed to like such stuff(well, it depends on who I'm sharing such things with). I do have guilty pleasures.

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1) The Shaggs: very demential song

2) Barbarella: I love Jane Fonda, one of my sexual dream! Pimp (is it the right word?) music.

3) Bauhaus: terrible

4) Cure? Too elegant.

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Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

no surprise to most..  I love this band.. few here do LOL then again.. what do they know about 'fun' man..



2nd..  few know of my love of her... but one of the best and most treasured of PA's friendships that became a real life friendship started over our mutual admiration of her..  



and perhaps my guiltiest of pleasures..  southern gospel music..  I don't believe in that Christian mumbo jumbo myself... but what it is for me is very spiritual.. and put together Gram, Emmylou and ... ohhh.. LINDA.. and it is pleasurably pure musical guilt


Gram Parsons without any doubt!


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It seems to me that basically there is a list of four kind of songs:

1) Demential songs

2) Trash songs (my first three folk songs sung in Milanese dialect)

3) Songs that give off testosterone (with ugly men, and terrible vocals)

4) bewitching and seductive female songs (with vicious women)
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I was hoping for the odd comment on my potential nomination of Subway to Sally's "Das Messer" and particularly what I wrote about it on p.3 (you don't need to listen to the song to have an opinion about this). Is it of any interest to go into this kind of thing, or should I just nominate something that is baaad but I like it, like everybody else does? (Which would point to the other two things I posted; I haven't yet decided which one, but of course it can be done if required.)

My gut feeling is that in this jungle of things people will probably not bother to read the English lyrics of "Das Messer" and think about them, so that it'd be just a nominated piece of good music that makes me feel guilty for some reason that isn't of interest, which wouldn't probably sit well in this poll. However, if anyone would like that one in the poll, I may just do it.

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Regarding other people's nominations, unfortunately I didn't have the time yet to listen to much. However I will vote for what I like best, not for what I think the taste police should lock you up. Nik Kershaw and Bronski Beat would certainly be contenders, however I may suddenly decide to only vote for stuff I don't yet know (I'm unpredictable in that respect... it depends on how difficult a choice problem I have after listening to them all).

Not sure whether this is of any help, but look, there I wrote it.


Edited by Lewian - July 02 2020 at 08:53
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Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

I was hoping for the odd comment on my potential nomination of Subway to Sally's "Das Messer" and particularly what I wrote about it on p.3 (you don't need to listen to the song to have an opinion about this). Is it of any interest to go into this kind of thing, or should I just nominate something that is baaad but I like it, like everybody else does? (Which would point to the other two things I posted; I haven't yet decided which one, but of course it can be done if required.)

My gut feeling is that in this jungle of things people will probably not bother to read the English lyrics of "Das Messer" and think about them, so that it'd be just a nominated piece of good music that makes me feel guilty for some reason that isn't of interest, which wouldn't probably sit well in this poll. However, if anyone would like that one in the poll, I may just do it.


I actually have taken notes on everything so far, to help me keep my thoughts straight.  Here is the part about that particular piece.  And Subway to Sally, “Das Messer,” this could almost have been in the catchy poll, I liked the sort of bombarde sound going on during the piece (bombardes being those horn thingies [my ultra technical term] in Alan Stivell’s music).  Reading the lyrics, interesting that it is a piece about a love/hate relationship (at least to my understanding).  
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Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

Regarding other people's nominations, unfortunately I didn't have the time yet to listen to much. However I will vote for what I like best, not for what I think the taste police should lock you up. Nik Kershaw and Bronski Beat would certainly be contenders, however I may suddenly decide to only vote for stuff I don't yet know (I'm unpredictable in that respect... it depends on how difficult a choice problem I have after listening to them all).

Not sure whether this is of any help, but look, there I wrote it.
  This is how I parsed it out for myself, as a way to vote, I've not yet posted my entire rundown of everything, thinking there could be more ♪♪♪ Still there'll be more ♪♪♪

The Top Three will actually be equals, since I am entering my favourite novelty piece, favourite “serious,” piece and one for what caused me the most pain (and only the primary selections of the contributors).   
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I definitely won't be discounting things I know well this round.

Originally posted by jamesbaldwin jamesbaldwin wrote:



I WOULD NEVER HAVE IMAGINED TO POST THREE GOLIARDIC CHOIRS HERE ON PA,

ONE TAKEN FROM A COMIC FILM WITH BUD SPENCER AND TERENCE HILL

AND THE OTHER TWO SONGS IN MILANESE DIALECT, BEING TRADITIONAL SONGS OF MILAN, OFTEN SUNG IN CABARETS.

I'M SORRY THAT YOU CAN'T UNDERSTAND THE HUMORISM OF THE TEXTS BUT I HOPE THAT YOU WILL HAVE ALL THE FUN AND I EXPECT YOUR OPINIONS.


Just don;t expect an interesting or insightful opinion from me. I did check those out, but I can't yet think of what to say or how to say it.   
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Originally posted by Snicolette Snicolette wrote:

Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

I was hoping for the odd comment on my potential nomination of Subway to Sally's "Das Messer" and particularly what I wrote about it on p.3 (you don't need to listen to the song to have an opinion about this). Is it of any interest to go into this kind of thing, or should I just nominate something that is baaad but I like it, like everybody else does? (Which would point to the other two things I posted; I haven't yet decided which one, but of course it can be done if required.)

My gut feeling is that in this jungle of things people will probably not bother to read the English lyrics of "Das Messer" and think about them, so that it'd be just a nominated piece of good music that makes me feel guilty for some reason that isn't of interest, which wouldn't probably sit well in this poll. However, if anyone would like that one in the poll, I may just do it.


I actually have taken notes on everything so far, to help me keep my thoughts straight.  Here is the part about that particular piece.  And Subway to Sally, “Das Messer,” this could almost have been in the catchy poll, I liked the sort of bombarde sound going on during the piece (bombardes being those horn thingies [my ultra technical term] in Alan Stivell’s music).  Reading the lyrics, interesting that it is a piece about a love/hate relationship (at least to my understanding).  

Thanks. Hmmm, not sure but it seems you have no concerns regarding its appropriateness for the poll.
I like your top three split idea, by the way (although chances are I won't do it like that).
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Originally posted by jamesbaldwin jamesbaldwin wrote:

Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

I've got four for now:

The Shaggs are often ridiculed, but I genuinely love the whole Philosophy of the World album:

"My Pal Foot Foot"


--------------------------------------------

Bob Crewe and Charles Fox - Barbarella


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A friend on mine offered me good money to destroy my Bauhaus CD that has this on it. I refused out of principle.

Bauhaus - In the Flat Field

"Yin and yang lumber punch
Go taste a tart, then eat my lunch" (I love to quote those lyrics)



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Also, I love many "Shreds", but others have not appreciated such things. This is a favourite of mine (that bassoon!) -- could almost be RIO/Avant:

The Cure - If Only Tonight We Could Sleep (Shred version)



------------------------------------------------

Ultimately I'm not really embarrassed to like such stuff(well, it depends on who I'm sharing such things with). I do have guilty pleasures.


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1) The Shaggs: very demential song

2) Barbarella: I love Jane Fonda, one of my sexual dream! Pimp (is it the right word?) music.

3) Bauhaus: terrible

4) Cure? Too elegant.



I expect quite a few will know that The Shaggs song here. Zappa called it better than the Beatles, even if he was joking. I think it's a good album for those young girls who were still learning to play and I genuinely enjoy that notoriously bad album. I do often like so bad it; good kind of things, but I never found it that bad in its way I find it charming.

As for the Bauhaus, methinks oud get along well with my friend. He offered me, I think, a hundred bucks if he could personally destroy the album (we were roommates at the time, when I was 20, so he had an added incentive). I got so tired of listening to him playing Rush all the time. I find myself strangely amused by some of the lyrics of that song. Terrible, perhaps, but I strangely enjoy it, but then I like offbeat things often.

I bought that compilation album because of Bela Lugosi's Dead, which became a sort of anthemic Goth song. Unlike, say, Dean (a past illustrious member who I sorely miss), I was never into Goth culture, but I lovd a failm called The Hunger with David Bowie,Catherine Deneuve and Suan Sarandon, and it starts with Bela Lugosi's Dead.

This remains my favourite Bauhaus song:



As for that The Cure shred (based on an MTV unplugged concert), it is strangely elegant in a way for a shred. The bassoon in particular makes me laugh.

Some others I like:







This is the first shred I heard:



I can't say that I am as into shreds as I once was, and when I was it was a guilty pleasure.


As for Barbarella, I love that Jane Fonda film. The film is more of a guilty pleasure than that song. I shouldn't feel guilty at all, but it comes down to when I watched it with a religious girlfriend who later became my wife. She was a little shocked, but then she not much later loved Betty Blue. I corrupted her some might say.

Edited by Logan - July 02 2020 at 10:01
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^^I've only heard two shreds ever so far, the Cure and aha that you posted. The Cure one felt integrated while ridiculous and worked for me, while the aha not at all. 
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