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jamesbaldwin
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It is the bandoneon, a sort of Argentine accordion. The sound of this instrument is, more than any other instrument, the one that gives the sound and mood to the tango. I have danced tango for years, as an amateur, and I assure you that it is a very technical, difficult dance, the first few months you do not have much fun, you are too busy respecting posture and steps, and many of those who had tried, before dancing tango, salsa and bachata or other Caribbean dances said that tango was very difficult and gave little satisfaction in the beginning. Think: generally when you dance, the man usually uses the arms to move the woman, but when you dance tango the man never uses the strength of the arms to move the woman: the man only shifts his weight, or rotates the pelvis asynchronously with respect to the axis of the body, and only by these small gestures does the woman react with a move that restores the weight of the couple in balance, until the man still shifts the weight etc. I said to my female friends who loved salsa and bachata that these are dances as teenagers, cheerful, extroverted, carefree, where love and physical contact are sought explicitly, with fun. Tango, on the other hand, is an adult dance, where love is something that is reached only after having suffered a little, and seduction is an elegant, never explicit seduction, made of small gestures, the passion that the tango expresses is very more intense than that of salsa and bachata precisely because it is less explicit, it is introverted, and so every slight movement and gaze is full of passion. And this mood of passion, seduction combined with a concept of suffered love, which creates a melancholy, is given supremely by the bandoneon, which with its sound expresses all this feelings. Here Juan Joeè Mosalini, who plays in the Guccini's song, on the bandoneon: |
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Oh, thank you, Lorenzo. I kind of have a liking of unusual instruments, now I just learned a new one!
I had heard that sort of description of tango vs salsa, as in the more adult passionate framework. I knew a lot of dancers at one time, mostly Middle Eastern, Flamenco and Gitana style dance, some had come from more structured dance backgrounds, ballet, etc. It is truly passionate in a much deeper sense than sheer flashy energy, the same that people can learn to love more deeply with time taken and passionate nights really begin with what occurs between people throughout the day. The technical aspects of the dance are very interesting, from your description, one must be able to execute it with more skill and finesse, than some of the other Latin dances. You obviously have a very technical mind, which shows also in your writing of music. This also comes through with your ability to separate how to approach an evaluation of a piece of music, from the standpoint of "critic," recognizing the sophistication and quality of a piece or a dislike because of a style used and even concluding that it is you that is at fault for that. That, I find, is very hard to separate from, so I appreciate your attempt and also your self-examination.
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Logan
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Well noticed. I listen to the album as a whole and then one does not have the aprubtness. On the album it does not stop abruptly, but in fact the percussion continues and leads into the next part. It's a double album and each is better listened to in its entirety. Side A is called Terra and ha the designations Trilha de Sumé (6:30), Culto a terra (2:11), Bailado das muscarias (4:34). Side B is Air and also three sections, Side C is Fogo, and Side D is Água. To hear how the transition works (it starts with Trilha de Sume). It does work much better in the context of the album -- an album that I've seen described as better than the sum of its parts. |
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the chosen three
Francesco Guccini - Scirocco (Sirocco) Djavan (w/The Manhattan Transfer) - Capim Working Week - Vinceremos (7'' Edit)
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moshkito
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Hi,
Mine is an album ... because it is so diverse, and has some classical and jazz'y things in it ... EGBERTO GISMONTI -- NO CAIPIRA "Songs" are not what I listen to in general, but this guy, in the 60's and 70's was the best guitar player around, and some of the things he did, most could not even conceive of it. This particular album, is "classical" compared to his solo guitar albums and his albums with Charlie Haden and Jan Garbarek. And, it is truly "progressive" specially at the time it came out ... when no one had ever heard anything like it! But then, "progressive" has never been "ahead" of its time, has it?
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Lewian
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I've actually got to say that normally I find this kind of music too smooth as well. Yet the first Working Week album is one of these albums that show that if a band does any style of music really really well, and be it one I wouldn't normally gravitate to, it can still be a great album that I really love.
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Lewian
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It's awesome indeed! I was planning to post a song from this out of the competition, but later with much voting already done. I wasn't able to pick a sing from it for the competition either because I somehow felt that the album works as a whole rather than through a single song.
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mathman0806
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My top 3 in order of appearance. I couldn’t really
distinguish a first, second, and third: Exuma – Exuma, the Obeah Man: This was great. I enjoyed the
native feel of it with the earthy vocals. A contender. Metá Metá – Logun: I am really liking this band. I added as
much as I could from Amazon onto my cloud. From last week’s instrumental track
to this week’s with vocals. The layers and textures really draw me in. The horns and effects on this track give it a
cinematic feel. Lula Côrtes & Zé Ramalho - Trilha De Sumé: This song
weaved in and out and wrapped around me. I like the distinct elements that came
up over the backing rhythms. The tribal sounds and deep in the jungle
exploration groove worked for me. Also, preferred the whole side with the
concluding flute part. The rest: Francesco Guccini – Scirocco: I liked this. It was one that ‘grew’
on me after a repeated listen as it’s not my personal style. Stuck with me more
than the Guccini track that was posted in an earlier poll. Djavan (w/ Manhattan Transfer) – Capim: Nice track but just
a bit too laid back for me. Inti Illumani – A La Caza del Ñandù: Nice. An early contender.
I like the mix of the wind and string instruments. Tribe of Gypsies – Admit It: Solid rock tune. Felt a little ‘slick’. Carlos Reyes – Niko’s Rumba: This was fun. You can see the
joy and enthusiasm in Reyes’s performance. Kronos Quartet and Astor Piazzola – Five Tango Sensations:
Anxiety: my selection Hauser Orkater – Dichtgervroren Vijver. I let this run long
and got the feeling that this is a part that is best experienced in the context
of the whole album. Will try to give the whole album a listen later. Working Week – Venceremos: Cool jazzy feel. I went to look
for this off Amazon and they didn’t have the album track. Instead, I came
across the Jazz Dance 12” version with vocals by Tracey Thorn (Everything But
the Girl) and Robert Wyatt, which I really liked, maybe more than the album
version. Stan Getz and Jao Gilberto – O Grande Amor: Peaceful. Suits
this Sunday morning as I type this, but didn’t make it up to my contenders. Chicoria Sánchez – Tonada por Despedida: Liked this and the
great playing. Didn’t make my top 3 but worthy listen. Alexandre Klinke – Lugar: I like the rhythms and the guitar lines.
Kind of trance-inducing. This I like but not quite to make the top 3. Rodrigo y Gabriela – Hanuman: Fun video and they are definitely
rockers in disguise of two acoustic guitars. Good track but didn’t make my top 3. Doug Sahm – Mendocino: I have heard Doug Sahm (and Sir
Douglas Quintet) but never really listened before. I like this and would have
it on my road trip playlist. And bonus vids: As I mentioned, I liked the 12” of the Working Week track: Also, I realized (forgotten) that I have a few third wave
ska albums that I got back in 90’s. Usual bands that had hits such as No Doubt, the
Mighty Mighty Bosstones, and Sublime. Since ska didn’t get represented this time, I have
one from the Pietasters. Edited by mathman0806 - June 28 2020 at 06:04 |
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jamesbaldwin
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Fourth and last message about my impressions 13) Alexander Klinke - beginning with synthetic drums, than comes the voice... o my God, the saudade hits again! Bu the rhythm is very sustained, with electronic music. Brave experiment of contamination between electronic and cibernetic sound and Brazilian saudad, but I dont like the sound, the result in terms of arrangement. 14) Rodrygo & Gabriela - This instrumental piece is a display of virtuosity on two acoustic guitars, with a frenzied rhythm. Very good piece, I cant say nothing bad, technically it's remarkable, but it doesn't convey much to me on an emotional level, I see more of an exercise in style than a real inspiration. I am always very demanding on instrumental pieces based on virtuosy. 15) Doug Sahm : hilarious tex mex song, typical concert song, with keyboards to give the suond, even if the solo is on the electric guitar, which in my opinion sends us more into the mexican atmosphere. Good the ending. Very pleasant. The podium? I do not know 16) Lula Cortez: this is new music for my ears! It sounds almost like ambient music, but then the singing comes and ... Thank God I don't hear the saudade! The rhythm is quite sustained, and the singing is mechanical, it serves more than anything else to reinforce the rhythm, and the arrangement is very rich, with sounds of all kinds, I think it can be considered progressive: also in this case I suggest the opening of a category of afro-latin american jazz-rock fusion. However, it is a remarkable piece for the richness of the arrangement, the sound and creativity. Podium.
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jamesbaldwin
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Ok, here's to you my ranking:
First two songs 1) Lula Cortes & Ze Ramalho - Trilha De Sumé. Wonderful fusion of ambient music and Latin American rhythms, with great creativity on the arrangement. Let's open the Afro-Latin American jazz-rock /Fusion genre here in PA! 2) Metà Metà - Logun. Wondeful syncretic music, with big effort to find new harmonic and arrangement solutions. And this is prog. These two song are close to be masterpiece. Than, my old loves: 3) Inti Illimani, for their wisdom in the arrangement of the song, that produce a wonderful sound. This is the podium. Near to the podium: 4) Hauser Orkater - Dichtgevroven Vijver, for his grotesque theatrical mood 5) Doug Sahm: Medocino, because this song makes me hilarious 6) Exuma, the Obeah Man - because I like to dance this song. 7) And... Spite of the saudade, Stan Getz and Jao Gilberto - O Grande Amor! Very good Latin Jazz Bossanova 8) Djavan - Capim. Edit But the real winner is Atahualpa, the last king of Incas. Edited by jamesbaldwin - June 28 2020 at 06:49 |
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The Anders
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Francesco Guccini - Scirocco: I really like the acoustic bass in the beginning. Then enters accordion and acoustic guitar and a very Italian type of melody. Harmonically I am a sucker for dim chords. Like the previous Guccini entry, the song sounds very literary to me, so I wish I had a translation at hand, but thankfully I can enjoy the melancholic mood. It is a very strong edition, and one I enjoy a lot more than the instrumental one, so there will be more competition for my votes. The song is absolutely a contender.
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The Anders
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Djavan (w/The Manhattan Transfer) - Capim: Jazz/latin fusion. This one is not so much me, perhaps because it sounds too much like I would expect that kind of music to sound. But absolutely not bad. Edited by The Anders - June 28 2020 at 07:49 |
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Snicolette
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My final votes and some more in-depth thoughts on the pieces I chose.
Doug Sahm - Medocino ~ This one, going to not vote…..although I’d said I might. Still, it’s own place somewhere above the Top 3, if there was a heaven above 1. Thank you for bringing Doug Sahm to the party, I almost did, myself. Extra points for using “Mendocino,” mentioned elsewhere a family favourite summering spot from the 1950’s into the 1970’s and beyond. Great aunt & uncle owned a 100 acre ranch there since the 1930’s. Obviously, this got a lot of radio play there, locally, so sentimental for me. And I know the “real,” Mendocino he was referring to, before it became a tourist destination. It was a hauntingly, beautiful coastal town, almost, but not quite, a ghost town, except for a few artists who’d settled there. Also enjoyed your potentials. And especial thanks for Nuevo Laredo on Friday. Lampshade? What lampshade? That was a Folklorico skirt. 1. Inti Illimani - A La Caza del Nandù ~ Oh, I just love this. Complex guitar work, lovely ornamentation with the violin, the Andean pipes, brass and flute, punctuated by the percussion Dynamically engaging. Perfectly in my wheelhouse of this kind of music and extra points for something like this that I wasn’t familiar with. I love hearing music that is so good and hearing for the first time is like reading a wonderful novel for the first time, can’t quite be repeated. 2. Francesco Guccini - Scirocco ~ I enjoyed this one, on first listen, the singer sounded a little strident to me, second time around, less so. I used a translator for the lyrics (even though you’d said not as important, I did want to know what he was singing about). I like the use of accordion or concertina, brings the café feel into the song. I watch clouds a lot (mentioned in lyrics). Also loved the beautiful Tango video you posted and your review was, as always, very insightful. Your deeper explanation of the dance was very appreciated as well. 3. Meta Meta – Logun ~ Enjoyed this one….moved right along and swept me with it. I was not as fond of the first singer as I was the music…..Until the backup singers came in. Then I loved that part. Then the female singer was fabulous. As expected, this grew on me and I ended up hearing, in my mind’s ear, the various parts throughout the day. There’s something about those hypnotic kinds of chorus-y voices, the horn section and even the occasional siren noise cutting across that’s kind of addictive. |
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The Anders
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Kronos Quartet & Astor Piazzolla - Five Tango Sensations: Anxiety: Tango meets 20th Century classical music. Fascinating combination, and as such an obvious contender for my votes. Exuma, The Obeah Man: Interesting combination of acoustic instrumentation and soul / rhythm & blues vocals. I somehow get associations to "Sympathy for the Devil". Hauser Orkater - Dichtgevroren Vijver: I really like this. Tango obviously, but there is also a touch of cabaret. Very decadent. Interesting chord changes too. Should be a contender.
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jamesbaldwin
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Lyrics Ricordi le strade erano piene di quel lucido scirocco Che trasforma la realtà abusata e la rende irreale Sembravano alzarsi le torri in un largo gesto barocco E in via dei Giudei volavan velieri come in un porto canale Tu dietro al vetro di un bar impersonale Seduto a un tavolo da poeta francese Con la tua solita faccia aperta ai dubbi E un po' di rosso routine dentro al bicchiere Pensai di entrare per stare assieme a bere E a chiacchierare di nubi Ma lei arrivò affrettata danzando nella rosa Di un abito di percalle che le fasciava i fianchi E cominciò a parlare ed ordinò qualcosa Mentre nel cielo rinnovato correvano le nubi a branchi E le lacrime si aggiunsero al latte di quel tè E le mani disegnavano sogni e certezze Ma io sapevo come ti sentivi schiacciato Fra lei e quell'altra che non sapevi lasciare Tra i tuoi due figli e l'una e l'altra morale Come sembravi inchiodato Lei si alzò con un gesto finale Poi andò via senza voltarsi indietro Mentre quel vento la riempiva Di ricordi impossibili Di confusione e immagini Lui restò come chi non sa proprio cosa fare Cercando ancora chissà quale soluzione Ma è meglio poi un giorno solo da ricordare Che ricadere in una nuova realtà sempre identica Ora non so davvero dove lei sia finita Se ha partorito un figlio o come inventa le sere, lui Abita da solo e divide la vita Fra il lavoro, versi inutili e la routine d'un bicchiere Soffiasse davvero quel vento di scirocco E arrivasse ogni giorno per spingerci a guardare Dietro alla faccia abusata delle cose Nei labirinti oscuri della case Dietro allo specchio segreto d'ogni viso Dentro di noi. TRANSLATION Do yuo remember? The streets were fully of that shiny wind of Scirocco That transforms the abused reality and makes it unreal the towers seemed to rise in a broad baroque gesture And in via dei Giudei flew sailing ships as in a canal port You behind the glass of an impersonal bar Sitting at a French poet's table With your usual face open to doubts And a little red (wine) routine inside the glass I thought about going in to drink together And to chat about clouds But she came hurriedly dancing in the rose Of a gingham dress that wrapped around her hips And she started talking and ordered something While the clouds flocked in the renewed sky And the tears added to the milk of that tea And the hands drew dreams and certainties But I knew how you felt crushed Between her and the other one you didn't know how to leave Between your two children and one and the other moral How you looked nailed She stood up with a final gesture Then she left without looking back While that wind filled it Of impossible memories Confusing and images (instrumental piece) He remained like someone who doesn't know what to do Still looking for who knows what solution But it is better just a day to remember Than to fall back into a new, always identical reality (instrumental piece) Now I don't really know where she ended up If she has given birth to a child or as she invents her evenings, He lives alone and divides life Between work, unnecessary verses and the routine of a glass I hope that sirocco wind will really blew And it would come every day to push us to look Behind the abused face of things In the dark labyrinths of the houses Behind the secret mirror of each face Inside us Edited by jamesbaldwin - June 28 2020 at 09:41 |
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TCat
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So, I've been over these tracks several times and have to admit there are some great posts which made it one of the most difficult. I'm going to have to pass on the Stan Getz track since I am already a fan and enjoy his music very much. However, I think I have arrived at a top three now after fighting back and forth in my head.
1. Meta Meta - Logun. Intriguing and interesting all the way through. I definitely want to check out more of their music based on this. 2. Exuma - Exuma The Obeah Man. This one stands out among the entries as one of the most original tracks, plus it leans towards the pan-head sound. 3. Doug Sahm - Medocino. I have a love for the music of this area and am ashamed that I am not very familiar with Sahm. It's time to change this. Other highlights from this poll: Francesco Guccini: Again, I love the Italian sound and the fact that he has incorporated Latin Rock elements even make it better. Working Week: Very enjoyable and it hits all of the right spots for me. Alexander Klinke: Again, I really enjoy this track, but it didn't quite make the top 3. All in all, these were excellent posts and helped me open the door wider for my knowledge of Latin American music which has been woefully lacking, but which I fully appreciate when it appears in music. |
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micky
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pretty much settled on my top 3.. while all good/great.. two really stood on from the first listen (one loved so much it became a mobile player addition) and didn't dim on repeat listens. Finding the third even wasn't that hard. A couple of extra listens separated it from the pack. Will do one last listen this evening and post my thoughts tonight or tomorrow.
Great choices all the way around everyone looking forward to this weeks edition.. I'll be really curious to see what you all choose hahaha
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OK, got round to listening to all the songs once again, and finally making my choice. This time around it was really hard to choose only three - so much wonderful stuff! Anyway, here's my top 3: Lula Côrtes & Zé Ramalho - Trilha De Sumé (fully deserving of addition to the PA database, IMHO) Francesco Guccini - Scirocco (a splendid homage to one of our greatest singer-songwriters, who turned 80 a few days ago) Kronos Quartet & Astor Piazzolla - Five Tango Sensations: Anxiety (pure class!) Simmering just below the top, another three wonderful tracks: Working Week - Venceremos Meta Meta - Logun Alexandre Klinke - Lugar Well done, everyone! So much incredible music. Looking forward to the next one!
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Meta Meta - Logun: I've already written about this, but it is phenomenal. The guitar and brass riffs, drumbeat, rhythm instruments. Very original. I'm pretty sure this will get one of my votes. Working Week - Vinceremos. Claves rhythm. The English lyric parts drag it down a bit for me. I also find the vocals rather uninteresting. Not a bad song, there are many good elements, f.e. I really like the chorus, or pre-chorus. But overall the song doesn't entirely grab me. Stan Getz and Jao Gilberto - O Grande Amor. Glad it's not "The Girl From Ipanema" (which is a great song, it is just too well-known). Another pleasantly relaxed and moody bossa nova, so what is not to like about it? It will probably miss my votes in the end, because whilst it is a really great song, it doesn't tell me anything I didn't already know. So it doesn't overwhelm me like some other songs have done. Chicoria Sánchez - Tonada por Despedida. More beautiful guitar chords. Again, nothing new for me here, but it's absolutely something I like to listen to. Not enough for me to vote for it though. Rodrigo y Gabriela - Hanuman. This, unfortunately, does not appeal to my taste. Doug Sahm - Medocino. For most part things related to country do very little for me. I can understand its catchiness though, but overall it is not my taste. Lula Cortes & Ze Ramalho - Trilha De Sume. This should be another contender. Kind of psychedelic with its hypnotic atmosphere. I wonder if they have been listening to Their Satanic Majesties Request. The track "Gomper" comes to mind. Edited by The Anders - June 28 2020 at 17:00 |
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So my votes are in. I went for:
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