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Poll Question: Choose your three favorite songs
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Originally posted by Sagichim Sagichim wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

does Stan Getz with Brazilian musicians (or not) doing bossanova count?
otherwise I'll have my favorite Marley song. Embarrassed

I love the Stan Getz and Jao Gilberto album, beautiful stuff.

exactly, that's what I'm thinking Big smile

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Stan Getz and Jao Gilberto - O Grande Amor - bossa nova jazz



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Originally posted by jamesbaldwin jamesbaldwin wrote:

Originally posted by Machinemessiah Machinemessiah wrote:

Hey Lorenzo..  great poll here...

One question..  Can you retire the offensive political message?  or one is allowed to post their own..?  (I think it is not the idea nor the spirit in a 'music' poll, no?).



Well, I don't speak Spanish but me and my friends, when we were young, we sang Carlos Puebla's Hasta Siempre, a song written on the day of Che Guevara's death. You live in Chile, and you know that in Latin America Che Guevara is a myth, and this song has got a lot of versions, so I wrote "Hasta Siempre Comandante Che Guevara". 

You don't have to consider it a political message: Che Guevara is now a legend, he's a romantic hero that many right-wing groups like in Europe. Consider my writing a tribute to a Latin American myth and a nostalgic memory of the times when I sang Hasta Siempre. We are for fun.

Agree? Come on, join us and participate in the poll with the Latin American song.
(Here the Inti Illimani version)


 

Hey Lorenzo! thank you for your reply; that completely does it for me; I even didn't know the song, so as you see..  I definitely take the spirit of what you say about the figure (if not the face value). You know, here in Latin America we have had rough times with the marxist thing; Chile in the 70's 'till the military freed us at the highest cost, though now we are at a highly polarized moment again, not unrelated, I think, to what's happening in other parts of the world as well. Venezuela today, is a humanitarian catastrophe, comparable to a country at war (though they aren't, nor among themselves either), and we have hundreds of thousands of venezuelan immigrants (they are certainly welcome, truely, they're hardworking and all, but obviously it has its complications; only to give you an example of the magnitude of the debacle) as have other neighboring countries. Without mentioning the drug issue.. (Maduro is being charged by the Trump administration with narco-terrorism among others, doing the Region a much appreciated favor).


Well, appreciating your words again, to the music  Tongue 


Perhaps you could give me a little guide here.. I don't really know if you'd like something more popish or for instance something more folk, if you're interested for example in rhythms or the like. I don't know to what extent bands like Soda Stereo or Los Prisioneros are known worldwide. Also, if it can be on the Archives or not, thinking in 'Congreso', given 'Los Jaivas' are already in.

My first impulse is to throw some Soda.. they're the best overall around imo and have lots of top songs. What can you tell me? I also have some very Chilean folk thing in guitar with beautiful rhythms, a "tonada".


UPDATE: I decided myself for the least known stuff.. and also a Chilean one.


Chicoria Sánchez - Tonada por Despedida

It is a "tonada" musical form, in 6/8, a typical rhythm here.. (for me resembles somewhat of a galloping horse); watch for the strumming at the end!  Smile









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Originally posted by Machinemessiah Machinemessiah wrote:

Originally posted by jamesbaldwin jamesbaldwin wrote:

Originally posted by Machinemessiah Machinemessiah wrote:

Hey Lorenzo..  great poll here...

One question..  Can you retire the offensive political message?  or one is allowed to post their own..?  (I think it is not the idea nor the spirit in a 'music' poll, no?).



Well, I don't speak Spanish but me and my friends, when we were young, we sang Carlos Puebla's Hasta Siempre, a song written on the day of Che Guevara's death. You live in Chile, and you know that in Latin America Che Guevara is a myth, and this song has got a lot of versions, so I wrote "Hasta Siempre Comandante Che Guevara". 

You don't have to consider it a political message: Che Guevara is now a legend, he's a romantic hero that many right-wing groups like in Europe. Consider my writing a tribute to a Latin American myth and a nostalgic memory of the times when I sang Hasta Siempre. We are for fun.

Agree? Come on, join us and participate in the poll with the Latin American song.
(Here the Inti Illimani version)


 

Hey Lorenzo! thank you for your reply; that completely does it for me; I even didn't know the song, so as you see..  I definitely take the spirit of what you say about the figure (if not the face value). You know, here in Latin America we have had rough times with the marxist thing; Chile in the 70's 'till the military freed us at the highest cost, though now we are at a highly polarized moment again, not unrelated, I think, to what's happening in other parts of the world as well. Venezuela today, is a humanitarian catastrophe, comparable to a country at war (though they aren't, nor among them), and we have hundreds of thousands of venezuelan immigrants (they are certainly welcome, truely, they're hardworking, but obviously it has its complications; only to give you an example of the magnitude of the debacle) as have other neighboring countries. Without mentioning the drug issue.. (Maduro is being charged by the Trump administration with narco-terrorism among others, doing the Region a much appreciated favor).


Well, appreciating your words again, to the music  Tongue 


Perhaps you could give me a little guide here.. I don't really know if you'd like something more popish or for instance something more folk, if you're interested for example in rhythms or the like. I don't know to what extent bands like Soda Stereo or Los Prisioneros are known worldwide. Also, if it can be on the Archives or not, thinking in 'Congreso', given 'Los Jaivas' are already in.

My first impulse is to throw some Soda.. they're the best overall around imo and have lots of top songs. What can you tell me? I also have some very Chilean folk thing in guitar with beautiful rhythms, a "tonada".


Oh, well you are the first person I meet who considers the military coup that brought Pinochet to power as a liberation (Allende had been elected president after regular elections).

But this is not the right place to talk about politics, let's go back to music! We are here to post our favorite songs, the ones we are most passionate about, so you can choose two songs: one for the poll, and one "out of competition". Be free to choose the ones you love most.




Edited by jamesbaldwin - June 24 2020 at 06:24
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Lorenzo you missed my video.
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Originally posted by Sagichim Sagichim wrote:

Lorenzo you missed my video.

Yes, I see.

Now your song is at number 10. What kind of genre is? Samba-metal?

SONG # 1: TANGO (Tango Nuevo)
SONG # 2: BOSSANOVA
SONG # 3: ANDEAN FOLK
SONG # 4: LATIN ROCK
SONG # 5: RUMBA
SONG # 6: TANGO (Tango Nuevo)
SONG # 7: BAHAMIAN FOLK (Psychedelic calypso?)
SONG # 8: LATIN JAZZ-ROCK?
SONG # 9: SAMBA?
SONG # 10: SAMBA METAL?
SONG # 11: BOSSANOVA
SONG # 12: BOSSANOVA JAZZ
SONG # 13: TONADA (CHILEAN FOLK)
SONG # 14:
SONG # 15:




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Los Jaivas is listed on PA as prog folk.  Are you accepting bands on PA?
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Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

Los Jaivas is listed on PA as prog folk.  Are you accepting bands on PA?

No, first rule was non-prog, non PA songs. 

This is not a prog round. 
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Originally posted by Hrychu Hrychu wrote:



We have discovered this song is
considered prog in fact it is present
here in PA.


Please, could you choose another song?
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Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

I'll go with a British entry then... one of the two best songs from Working Week's awesome debut album. And this one is based on a - I think - Bossa Nova rhythm and has some Latin American lyrics.

This version (above) didn't work in the US.  I am posting one that does, for others, here:  
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Originally posted by jamesbaldwin jamesbaldwin wrote:


Oh, well you are the first person I meet who considers the military coup that brought Pinochet to power as a liberation (Allende had been elected president after regular elections).

But this is not the right place to talk about politics, let's go back to music! We are here to post our favorite songs, the ones we are most passionate about, so you can choose two songs: one for the poll, and one "out of competition". Be free to choose the ones you love most.


 

Well my friend you know that every coin has two sides... the one you describe is without a doubt the 'politically correct' version..  the one known outside and here by half the population or more. I must say though that this 'polarization' I talked about before has had the effect of many people reevaluating the Military Regime. Actually, before the virus we were suffering a concerted attack disguised as protests (with some demands attendable and all) but the very first days they burnt many subway stations simultaneously.. (20 completely burnt including the cars, with accelerant and foreign intervention included, plus 60+ with damage; the images are unbelievable, you can search by 'ataques metro Chile'). The cause? allegedly a raise of 4 cents (of a dollar) on the ticket... All that ended up with the destruction of many businesses of varied size (esp. small) and closures of downtowns in cities (so we were in quarantine long before the virus appeared) policemen burnt/beaten and civilians seriously injured or dead (not by police, but by self provoked fires while looting)  and... a scheduled plebiscite for a new Constitution...……

About Allende I'll only say this: by 1973, only two and a half years into his government, the president of the Senate, Eduardo Frei Montalva, the incumbent President before and a Christian Democrat (center-left in Chile, (though that is almost an euphemism: they're allied with the Communists now) and with whose help was first elected a Marxist in Latin America, not without having Allende first sign an unprecedented "Statute of Constitutional Guarantees", for there were doubts of his allegiance to democracy) said: "Desgraciadamente, este problema sólo se arregla con fusiles" (Regretfully, this problem only fixes itself with rifles).

If you ask me, I wouldn't have had nor Pinochet nor Allende. Now, given Allende... I think the options were limited: A) an 'auto (Marxist)-coup', that was underway and even had a name, "Plan Z", to end up in a full-fledged Cuban-style marxist dictatorship, B) the Military Pronouncement by 'La Junta Militar' of the 4 armed forces, explicitly implored by different powers of the State and Society (aka "Pinochet") or C) an even bloodier civil war.


It doesn't occur to me if this is worth a thread/there is interest in my view as a local, or else only to respond to me. In any case, maybe that helps a bit explain my sensitivity on the issue; I shut up now on this thread.. I promise.

Also, I must say I was further confused here by the usage Micky made of the poll's options in the previous thread (not bothered by that in any case btw and not that it matters either), so, sorry about that.


Ok, one of the best songs I know of Chilean bands is Congreso - "En todas las esquinas" (jazz-fusion), but is in the Archives.. and knowing you guys, I bet you know it, (if not please go listen to it (and the complete album) here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36yFq1rdAU0) so...  out of competition..  this another Chilean punk Clash style band 'Los Prisioneros' so you can also have a peek at Santiago in those years.








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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Stan Getz and Jao Gilberto - O Grande Amor - bossa nova jazz


 
Stan Getz is always such a pleasure to listen to.  Clap

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Originally posted by Machinemessiah Machinemessiah wrote:

UPDATE: I decided myself for the least known stuff.. and also a Chilean one.
 

Chicoria Sánchez - Tonada por Despedida

 
 
This is amazing guitar work.  Very impressive!

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Sorry for using the same band again but they fit so well Big smile

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I absolutely love this stuff!  8 minutes long but I could listen to it all day. 

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Originally posted by jamesbaldwin jamesbaldwin wrote:

Originally posted by Sagichim Sagichim wrote:

Lorenzo you missed my video.

Yes, I see.

Now your song is at number 10. What kind of genre is? Samba-metal?
It's not metal, along with psychedelic they have also punk influences although in this case it's not very punkish just rock I guess. Sambadelic fusion? Big smile
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Originally posted by TCat TCat wrote:

Originally posted by Sagichim Sagichim wrote:

Sorry for using the same band again but they fit so well Big smile

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I absolutely love this stuff!  8 minutes long but I could listen to it all day. 
I hear ya buddy! This stuff is infectious. You can download their albums from their website.

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Alexandre Klinke - Lugar

Alexandre Klinke is from Brazil, but he currently lives in Vancouver.



EDIT:
And here, out of competition: Rřde Mor: Grillbaren (tango influenced):




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First impressions. 

Djavan (w / The Manhattan Transfer) - Capim. Music very pleasant and relaxing. On the one hand I listen to it as if it were atmospheric music, on the other I could consider it almost a jam session dominated by the sax. But now that I think about it, it could also be music to dance, slow, romantic but without being demanding. Can itaspire to the podium? I dont know.

Inti Illimani. Here we are talking about one of the bands I grew up with. They were very popular in the seventies and eighties in Italy, especially in left-wing circles but also in Catholic ones. And I love the sound of their folk, especially the flute, and I am very attached to some of their songs. Raff however here posts an instrumental and recent song, perhaps just to avoid the most famous songs. However, after a hesitant start, when the percussion arrives the music becomes beautiful and who knows why it reminds me of the Celtic folk. I do not know what to say. I certainly love the sung and older songs more, but they are always the Inti Illimani.

Tribe of Gypsies - Admit It. Song with mainstrem production, commercial sound, with verse and chorus structure repeated three times and in the middle a good very dirty guitar solo. Music is very pleasant, easy to listen to, radio. A good commercial pop-rock with Latin percussion.

Carlos Reyes. Instrumental piece. The sound of the harp and bass give a beautiful color to this song, which then continues guided by the violin, in a way totally tied to the solo of the instrument. Excellent performance but the song in itself does not does not convince me, it does not convey me much more than the fun of the player.






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I totally misread the original post. I thought you meant any band, no matter if on PA or not. I'm sorry for that.
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