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Poll Question: Pick the magic number of three you like best
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Argh! I thought I have two for sure and only have to choose a third, but after re-listening I'm again stuck with four out of which I have to chuck out one. That'll be hard.

But first comments on some others... I also loved the Heroes del Silencio track as a teenager, although it was overplayed at the time, not quite as excessive as Nena, but still, I got tired of it. My father was a big Cat Stevens fan, so I know all his 70s material well (my father is still alive but hardly listens to pop/rock anymore), and he infected me with at least some of these songs. This one I never got... actually I think I'm now a bit more open to it, but still, not in the top 4.
FFN... annoyed me in the first 30 seconds or so, I didn't get it at all at first go, but I felt better and better with it throughout the second time... maybe if I'd listen to it six times before voting, it would get in?
Wagakki Band - contender for top 3 in the first go and I still think it's fun, Unfortunately... the live video is nice to watch, but the crowded live sound may just make it sound too thick and take its sharpness away. Interesting, if I know the studio version of something and I get a live video like this, I will always love the live video for the atmosphere (a band on fire just playing their stuff is always the thing I like to see most in a video) - but for getting to know a song, it may not be optimal.

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Top 4 now (in order of appearance)... Dimash! I knew him before but not this song. I've got to say I love his singing but I have mixed feelings about the way he is marketed and presents himself. Sometimes it feels the songs are just a vehicle to show what a great singer he is... but about this one, I love the composition, it has depth and originality. Still, the arrangement could be much better with a proper band knowing what they're doing. The electronic sound is cringeworthy at times, but song and voice are so good, you can't keep them down.
Connie Dover! Very beautiful, you have a knack for picking such things Snicolette!
Serge Gainsbourg - also another Logan picked song in my top selection. I wasn't sure about this one in the first run, in the second I thought, this is the best!
Värttinä - another one that didn't really shine that much in the first round, but infected me in the second one. Top live sound and fun performance (edged Wagakki, which I like for similar reasons).

OK, now how to make it three? I've got to say, Connie Dover is probably not for listening to four times in two days (which I did to decide), lost some freshness in the last listen, whereas  Värttinä and Gainsbourg are on an upward path... So Dimash, Gainsbourg and Värttinä it is.


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Originally posted by mathman0806 mathman0806 wrote:


I hear what you are saying. In fact, with some of their other songs, I would like them to 'slow' things down. The singer (who also plays keyboards), shakuhachi player, and koto player also form a folk pop trio called Hanafugetsu.

You might like this one.


 

Now this is awesome! Would've been top 3 for sure.
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Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

Top 4 now (in order of appearance)... Dimash! I knew him before but not this song. I've got to say I love his singing but I have mixed feelings about the way he is marketed and presents himself. Sometimes it feels the songs are just a vehicle to show what a great singer he is... but about this one, I love the composition, it has depth and originality. Still, the arrangement could be much better with a proper band knowing what they're doing. The electronic sound is cringeworthy at times, but song and voice are so good, you can't keep them down.
Connie Dover! Very beautiful, you have a knack for picking such things Snicolette!
Serge Gainsbourg - also another Logan picked song in my top selection. I wasn't sure about this one in the first run, in the second I thought, this is the best!
Värttinä - another one that didn't really shine that much in the first round, but infected me in the second one. Top live sound and fun performance (edged Wagakki, which I like for similar reasons).

OK, now how to make it three? I've got to say, Connie Dover is probably not for listening to four times in two days (which I did to decide), lost some freshness in the last listen, whereas  Värttinä and Gainsbourg are on an upward path... So Dimash, Gainsbourg and Värttinä it is.

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1) Serge Gainsbourg: long and recited song, with excellent bass and guitar in progression. Beautiful, pleasant, intriguing and ... very affected and narcissistic as always happens with Gainsbourg. Candidate

2) Cat Stevens - O Caritas. I love it. Surely on the podium

3) Nationalteatern - This is prog... good prog... but what is the language?



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continuum

Earta Kitt - very...vintage!!!

Vartinaa...: Finnish folk, pleasent. Music to Dance 


The Boy: the girl in the video with those big glasses and a serious looking depressed going looks like a loser. The music is beautiful but ... I don't know to what extent: candidate to podium?

 FFNN Chemarea is an amateur music, curious, jam-sound.

Charo ..... no no no

Nena.... oh what a commercial sound... anyway, played with the right grit.


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My ranking:

1) Cat Stevens - O Caritas

2) Rokia Traore - Tuit Tuit

3) Serge Gainsbourg - Cargo Culte

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4) Nationalteatern

5) P- Motel

6) Wagakki Band

7) The Boy

8) Connie Dover.


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Last: Heroes del Silencio! 

Too classic rock... amid much more original sounds and arrangements.


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Originally posted by mathman0806 mathman0806 wrote:

Originally posted by jamesbaldwin jamesbaldwin wrote:

Wagakki Band - This song seems punk, very loud, fast, with too much drum sound, but the singer 's voice is excellent and the best moments are when the very intrusive drummer stops and we can hear oriental sounds. It looks like a punk song superimposed on Japanese singing that I hear in Japanese restaurants accelerated. A curious experiment, although in my opinion the song renounces the artistic part a little to concentrate on the more commercial one. Anyway, a candidate?


I hear what you are saying. In fact, with some of their other songs, I would like them to 'slow' things down. The singer (who also plays keyboards), shakuhachi player, and koto player also form a folk pop trio called Hanafugetsu.

You might like this one.



And here's a performance (instrumental) including the wadaiko drummer from the Wagakki Band.


Yes, I like these songs, especially the first.

The first song could beat Gainsbourg for third place in my ranking.
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Originally posted by Shadowyzard Shadowyzard wrote:



Firstly, thanks for the nice reply. I also didn't mean you concluded that Dimash is pretentious altogether. I just mentioned that he also sings differently in other songs, to emphasize my view, which is: this song calls for this performance.

Springsteen & Morello performance even brought tears to my eyes. I sensed a sublime interaction throughout. Morello was "firm" when needed, and Springsteen gets extremely passionate and vice versa. Morello's lunatic solos are not my thing, but I think they came from his heart. They didn't spoil the magic for me. It seems like Springsteen felt the same way. Countless thanks for sharing this, I was amazed.

By the way, do you know Jussi Björling? If not, what do you think about his voice after listening through the video I put? If you have time, I'd be happy to learn your impression. 

I agree with you on Springsteen and Morello, but it took me a long time to think so, at the beginning I was negative and many fans of Bruce older than me claim that the song was ruined by Morello's solo, because it was too virtuous and out of Bruce's music.

He seems to me to be a real opera singer, with a classical approach, and here he sings a piece of opera, Pavarotti's favorite. It seems to me that he has a measured and powerful voice, and with an excellent diction in Italian. In short, I really like him, also for the timber of voice, more or less like Pavarotti. I also like Domingo, but not so much, while I don't like Carreras.


I confess that after having made up my mind I saw on the net that he is in fact considered one of the best tenors of the last century and this reassured me.


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Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

any Africans here.. Indians.. Mongolians.. Chinese...  Vietnamese..

nah..  don't dig that caveat... at all. 

so meet you half way..  no restrictions.. other than common sense and remembering the whole spirit of these poll. Thus the theme.. not the rule.  After this many polls I think most have the gist of the game.  Exploring new stuff.. different stuff. If one wants to toss off some jazz or classical.. no problem.. we haven't stopped top 40 hits from being nominated.

all for fun.. and a chance to discover something you might not heard...

what say thee man... got a deal


Yes, we got a deal, a theme with no restrictions, as you prefer... or even a poll without any theme ...

so you open the next one, right?

That's ok for me, then I open the one on music with Latin American influences, which is a very broad theme.


PS  Sorry for filling the poll with messages guys!




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Originally posted by jamesbaldwin jamesbaldwin wrote:

2) Dimash K ... _ Very emphatic electronic music, which supports the singer, who sings as if he was in an opera by Giuseppe Verdi, but with many virtuosity, where he demonstrates his impressive vocal extension. In these cases, when you have a pop sound and a vocal performance worthy of a lyric opera, I often cannot decide whether I am dealing with an exceptional piece or a presumptuous, exaggerated, tacky, almost garbage piece. In Italy we have had recent cases with IL VOLO, where three boys sings like in an opera (in the past I remember when Pavarotti sung. with U2 and Zucchero). I don't discuss Dimash K.'s vocal abilities but in my opinion the overall effect of music + vocal performance gives a result closer to bombastic, pretentious, kitsch, that is, bad taste, rather than art.
 

...I exactly get what you're saying here. I have asked myself, am I somehow conned into liking this? Not sure whether I'd review this as a quality thing or rather as a Kitsch thing if I had to. But ultimately I just asked myself, in all subjectivity, how much do I want to listen to this again, and then it comes up top 3!
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Originally posted by jamesbaldwin jamesbaldwin wrote:

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

any Africans here.. Indians.. Mongolians.. Chinese...  Vietnamese..

nah..  don't dig that caveat... at all. 

so meet you half way..  no restrictions.. other than common sense and remembering the whole spirit of these poll. Thus the theme.. not the rule.  After this many polls I think most have the gist of the game.  Exploring new stuff.. different stuff. If one wants to toss off some jazz or classical.. no problem.. we haven't stopped top 40 hits from being nominated.

all for fun.. and a chance to discover something you might not heard...

what say thee man... got a deal


Yes, we got a deal, a theme with no restrictions, as you prefer... or even a poll without any theme ...

so you open the next one, right?

That's ok for me, then I open the one on music with Latin American influences, which is a very broad theme.


PS  Sorry for filling the poll with messages guys!



you rock Lorenzo..  good deal. In case you didn't note.. we did lose a few regulars and semi regs with the last one. I had my own moment of horror once I realized that 99% of the stuff I know that fit the theme.. was PA's related stuff before an angel knocked me upside the head and jogged my memory.  We'll do instrumentals as a theme.. and no other conditions other than the usual of not being listed on the site. If one wants to do some mainstream or not.. up to them. 

all in fun.. that is what matters! 

Cheers and I'll start it middle of next week as we have been doing.
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Originally posted by micky micky wrote:



you rock Lorenzo..  good deal. In case you didn't note.. we did lose a few regulars and semi regs with the last one.

I'd think that's normal even without a theme. It's a lot of listening and in the beginning lots of people are enthusiast, but being a "regular" over 5, 10, 20 issues takes much more. I wrote earlier that everything is a bit fast for my intuition, and one thought that I had was that the thing uses itself up more quickly if it's overdone, like everything. Now obviously being slower may not necessarily help if people are enthusiast to move on to the next one... anyway, main message, these things start with a lot of enthusiasm in the beginning, but duration comes from other things, like winning new blood when somebody stops etc.

I am on a football forum (soccer for some of you ignorants Tongue) where people started a song contest many years ago. It's still running. And you know what? It started generally and themes have become more and more restrictive over time, and finding something for which you could construct a connection somehow became big part of the fun. Now themes are not as precisely defined there as I did it here, they do something like "songs that have to do with breakfast" etc. The last one was "Virus!" and was #129! They're much slower though, they do one every month or so. Now I'm not saying that recipe is going to work here... we just have to find out.


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oh yeah indeed it is .. but what was left unsaid but obviously implied was those restrictions can hit the Yanks on this forum harder than most. We ain't exactly a fountain of multilingualism here. I suspect for many of us, and definitely has for me as my musical roots .. my true musical loves as it were are in the music of Americana. ie jazz, blues and country/bluegrass..  it wasn't easy to pick something to fit the theme as for most of us.. PA's has been the gateway to music outside of this country.
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Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

oh yeah indeed it is .. but what was left unsaid but obviously implied was those restrictions can hit the Yanks on this forum harder than most. We ain't exactly a fountain of multilingualism here. I suspect for many of us, and definitely has for me as my musical roots .. my true musical loves as it were are in the music of Americana. ie jazz, blues and country/bluegrass..  it wasn't easy to pick something to fit the theme as for most of us.. PA's has been the gateway to music outside of this country.

Haha, to be honest, when I wrote that English native speakers have an advantage because only one language is excluded for them, I had what you wrote as a secret afterthought; probably it's actually more difficult for you because  you have so much less incentive for looking for stuff in different languages.


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Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

oh yeah indeed it is .. but what was left unsaid but obviously implied was those restrictions can hit the Yanks on this forum harder than most. We ain't exactly a fountain of multilingualism here. I suspect for many of us, and definitely has for me as my musical roots .. my true musical loves as it were are in the music of Americana. ie jazz, blues and country/bluegrass..  it wasn't easy to pick something to fit the theme as for most of us.. PA's has been the gateway to music outside of this country.


Sadly, something I learned the hard wayWink. At least you have shown some willingness to learn about music in other languages than English. Personally, I'd be more tolerant of attitudes such as "if it's not in English, I cannot enjoy it" if you native speakers of English treated your own language better than you generally do. Stuff like "your" (meaning "belonging to you") spelled as "you're" really rubs me the wrong way.
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not as much incentive.. as opportunity...  

the internet hasn't been around forever.. and most of us grew up.. and listened to music in the days of radio, mags, and word of mouth.

Funny... even with years of digging Italian prog, having Raff joined with me at the hips (ummm HMMM).. I don't think I can honestly name ONE Italian non PA's related group.  For the vast majority of us.. there was really no medium for us to discover music outside of our country unless one was fortunate like I suspect Nickie was to be in the industry.. and rubbing shoulders with the muscial jet set and being exposed to a whole world of great music.

For most of us that took the internet.. and for the most part..  I've spend most of that on prog forums. Here and DDD before that.
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Originally posted by jamesbaldwin jamesbaldwin wrote:

The Boy: the girl in the video with those big glasses and a serious looking depressed going looks like a loser. The music is beautiful but ... I don't know to what extent: candidate to podium?

I actually considered changing to an audio clip instead. I was first introduced to the song that way, but more or less chose the present clip because this was the first that came up when I searched for it.
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As for the language restriction here, I am glad it happened. As a non-English speaker I am used to hearing music in a language other than my own, so I was kind of shocked to learn about the reluctance to listening to anything non-English from some people.
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