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Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

I hope not
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but Peter Gabriel is one of the most winninh MT-V award winners of them all, alongside Madonna.
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Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

Yes never got a nomination in their heyday (although later songs like "Blower of a Wicked Fart" and albums like Big Generator were nominated), Genesis was never even nominated until they started playing Broadway show tunes and romantic movie melodies, and Tull was nominated once for Heavy Metal, of all things, but never for any album from the 1970s.


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I remember that. It is another problem with these kinds of awards. My metalhead friends were angry, because they thought Metallica deserved it. And, there was a big argument about whether the flute was a hard rock instrument. We’re throwing salt on some old wounds here. I love Jethro Tull’s music, but I didn’t think at the time that they should have been in the same category as heavy metal bands for an award. At the same time, the flute is 100% an exquisite instrument for Prog rock music.
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Originally posted by BarryGlibb BarryGlibb wrote:

Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

How exactly do you expect a prog album to win a Grammy when not even Pink Floyd has won one for albums like DSotM, WYWH, Animals or The Wall? The only one that was even nominated in the year it was eligible was The Wall, and that lost to Lennon's Double Fantasy. Floyd received a Grammy for the instrumental "Marooned", and 2 "Hall of Fame" awards for DSoTM in 1999 and the Wall in 2008. I guess Grammy's "Hall of Fame" awards are actually "We Admit We F*cked Up" Revisionist awards.

Yes never got a nomination in their heyday (although later songs like "Blower of a Wicked Fart" and albums like Big Generator were nominated), Genesis was never even nominated until they started playing Broadway show tunes and romantic movie melodies, and Tull was nominated once for Heavy Metal, of all things, but never for any album from the 1970s.

Just for clarification; Tull's Grammy was for Best Hard Rock/Heavy Metal Recording not just Heavy Metal. 6 out of the 9 tracks you would classify as Hard Rock.....and it's a brilliant album IMHO. So good on them.

But it was the first time there was a Grammy to be given which had the name "metal" written on it, and it's generally seen as a shame that the first Grammy that could've potentially been awarded as a metal grammy for a metal album went as a non-metal grammy to a non-metal album.
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Miles, Herbie Hancock, Chick Corea, Weather Report, Jaco Pastorius, RTF, Stanley Clarke, Mahavishnu (1972 & 73), Jean-Luc Ponty, Tony Williams, Al DiMeola, Herbie Mann, Larry Coryell, Billy Cobham, have all received numerous nominations thus solidifiying my point about the Jazz-Rock Fusion access point.

Also, the Soundtrack avenue is another way that some prog artists have received Grammy recognition--Tangerine Dream and Vangelis to point 

Kate Bush has three nominations, Peter Gabriel 6 wins in 21 nominations. King Crimson two nominations, Robert Fripp, three. Mike Oldfield won for Tubular Bells (the song), was nominated for Voyager. Rush had seven nominations, no wins.

Then there are the metal categories...
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Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

Originally posted by BrufordFreak BrufordFreak wrote:

PAT METHENY has won a bunch (20 wins, 36 niminations)--including: 
1982's Offramp, 
1984's First Circle, 
1987's Still Life (Talking), 
1989's Letter from Home, 
1993's highly acclaimed (here on PA) Secret Story, 
1995's Imaginary Day, and 
2005's The Way Up.

So, you're saying if Yes was put in the jazz category like Metheny for most of his nominations, they'd have probably won? What are the chances the Grammy voters would have even nominated any of Metheny's albums if he was considered for the rock category? I would say zero.


Actually, Greg, I don't think I was saying anything. (I hadn't even seen your post--the one that preceded mine--when I was writing mine.) If I was implying anything, it might be that polished Jazz-Rock Fusion has had a better chance in the Grammy's cuz Jazz is a genre that voters like to hear in a watered down, melodic, classic rock-like, easy listening format. (Even Miles is easier to listen to that say 'Trane, Pharoah Sanders, Sun Ra, or Ornette Coleman, thus Grammy award wins.) So, in effect, I agree with you: Metheny would never get nominated in the Rock categories (but then, he's not really rock, is he?)
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I think the joy for the artist has much more to do with people relating to their music on some level. I don’t think most artists care that much for awards. It was nice to see Rush and Yes get accepted into the R&R HOF, but it made me sad that it was too little too late for Chris Squire. And, Yes isn’t like Rush. They’ve had a lot of different artists come and go, and some got in and some didn’t. That also didn’t sit well with a lot of people. Maybe awards are more trouble than they’re worth. Better to just enjoy the music methinks.
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I remember even as a kid viewing the nominations lists and wondering who the heck the voters were cuz none of the music being nominated (other than Stevie Wonder) was either the most popular (according to Billboard), innovative, or, in my opinion, interesting. The "white bread" of music was winning most of the awards. It was as if people were voting for insider members--to recognize "their own"--people who were playing by the corporate rules (though there are always exceptions).
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Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

How exactly do you expect a prog album to win a Grammy when not even Pink Floyd has won one for albums like DSotM, WYWH, Animals or The Wall? The only one that was even nominated in the year it was eligible was The Wall, and that lost to Lennon's Double Fantasy. Floyd received a Grammy for the instrumental "Marooned", and 2 "Hall of Fame" awards for DSoTM in 1999 and the Wall in 2008. I guess Grammy's "Hall of Fame" awards are actually "We Admit We F*cked Up" Revisionist awards.

Yes never got a nomination in their heyday (although later songs like "Blower of a Wicked Fart" and albums like Big Generator were nominated), Genesis was never even nominated until they started playing Broadway show tunes and romantic movie melodies, and Tull was nominated once for Heavy Metal, of all things, but never for any album from the 1970s.

Just for clarification; Tull's Grammy was for Best Hard Rock/Heavy Metal Recording not just Heavy Metal. 6 out of the 9 tracks you would classify as Hard Rock.....and it's a brilliant album IMHO. So good on them.
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Grammies are even more of a joke than the rock hall.
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Originally posted by dougmcauliffe dougmcauliffe wrote:

The grammys are just so arbitrary to me, who decides who the winners are and why should their opinion matter to me?
I agree 100% with you.
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It is kind of nice, though, when one of ours slips through ...
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For me the Grammy's have as much credibility as the Rock and Roll Hall Of Fame.,,,,and that would be none.
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King Diamond, the band and the man I totally disagree with ideologically, never got any mainstream awards for his classic stuff like Abigail or The Eye. I personally like (musically and artistically!) only one his album - Graveyard, far from what is reckoned his classic. But even that album never won anything of the aforementioned kind. Finally, he was nominated with the track Neverending Hill, but even then lost to Slayer. Slayer and Grammy seem more compatible then. 
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I do remember that John Wetton, Keith Emerson and Greg Lake were mentioned in memorium in 2017 Grammys, which was very decent of them.




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When I saw Vanilla Ice get nominated for Ice Ice Baby, I gave up on the Grammy awards because it wasn’t original music but rather a sampling of Queen/Bowie. I don’t have a problem with sampling, per se, but I do have a problem with people winning awards off of the merits of others. Nowadays there are entire armies of writers backing popular artists, so there is no point in watching the charade.
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Originally posted by Progosopher Progosopher wrote:

There is a lot of biz politics involved with the Grammy's that have little or nothing to do with the actual music. The organization is more about rewarding album sales than musical ability or innovation, and I question the extent of what those that vote know (which means that a Prog category would be a nightmare).

Haven't the Grammy's just been through a massive sexism, racism, and nepotism scandal within the past year?
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There is a lot of biz politics involved with the Grammy's that have little or nothing to do with the actual music. The organization is more about rewarding album sales than musical ability or innovation, and I question the extent of what those that vote know (which means that a Prog category would be a nightmare).
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