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No, the grammies are a joke anyway, it's the mainstream music industry patting themselves on the back, feeling self-important. 

Just look at the case of Jethro Tull winning in 1989, for an album released in 1987, for the heavy metal category. So there goes any credibility thrown out the window. 

Similarly, there's a Ukrainian rock band Okean Elzy aka OE (Ocean Of Elza, that is). Like ten or so years ago they won some Ukrainian music award in the category of best pop band, which their leader commented with an evident taken offence. 

I remember of the Oscar for best foreign movie that came to the Soviet "Moscow Does Not Believe In Tears" in times of tension over Afghanistan in the 1980s. Not that I protest against - but I'd say, there were no less than 50 Soviet movies that undeservedly never got such a recognition. There was for example a great Soviet comedy about a naive kind-hearted retired private soldier that travels all over the country in search of an ideal wife. That comedy was absolutely Italian in its spirit and was not that far from Fellini's style. But the Oscar was given as a sort of political gesture in the early 1980s... 

People just want media be severed to them and they never want to search for it 

because they thought it was against everything they stood for.

Spot on. And don't get me started on the Turner Prize or the Booker Prize.

dang, it was nominated for best rock instrumental but lost to Behind My Camel by The Police....I love The Police but that doesn't make any sense, Behind My Camel is a bit of a snooze compared to YYZ.

Yes never got a nomination in their heyday (although later songs like "Blower of a Wicked Fart" and albums like Big Generator were nominated), Genesis was never even nominated until they started playing Broadway show tunes and romantic movie melodies, and Tull was nominated once for Heavy Metal, of all things, but never for any album from the 1970s.

2005's The Way Up.

So, you're saying if Yes was put in the jazz category like Metheny for most of his nominations, they'd have probably won? What are the chances the Grammy voters would have even nominated any of Metheny's albums if he was considered for the rock category? I would say zero.

Not only were Tull nominated but they won. That was when they beat Metallica making it the biggest upset in grammy history. 

As for Yes, "cinema" won for best instrumental I think in 1985(even though the album it is from 90125 was released in 83). I don't think they were ever even nominated for anything else though(not even BG)let alone won.

Also, do I need to reiterate my earlier statement about Frank Zappa winning for "jazz from hell?"  That was in the instrumental category which is probably most prog artists best shot at winning a grammy. The Tull thing was a fluke imo. They still aren't in the R&R HoF for crying out loud.

Yeah, I know Tull won. I get it. Too bad they won for what most folks would consider their 9th or 10th best album, and an album where Ian Anderson had already lost his voice.

PA does list Miles Davis. That said, only some of Miles' output is prog.

Haven't the Grammy's just been through a massive sexism, racism, and nepotism scandal within the past year?

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I agree 100% with you.

Just for clarification; Tull's Grammy was for Best Hard Rock/Heavy Metal Recording not just Heavy Metal. 6 out of the 9 tracks you would classify as Hard Rock.....and it's a brilliant album IMHO. So good on them.

Actually, Greg, I don't think I was saying anything. (I hadn't even seen your post--the one that preceded mine--when I was writing mine.) If I was implying anything, it might be that polished Jazz-Rock Fusion has had a better chance in the Grammy's cuz Jazz is a genre that voters like to hear in a watered down, melodic, classic rock-like, easy listening format. (Even Miles is easier to listen to that say 'Trane, Pharoah Sanders, Sun Ra, or Ornette Coleman, thus Grammy award wins.) So, in effect, I agree with you: Metheny would never get nominated in the Rock categories (but then, he's not really rock, is he?)

Also, the Soundtrack avenue is another way that some prog artists have received Grammy recognition--Tangerine Dream and Vangelis to point 

Kate Bush has three nominations, Peter Gabriel 6 wins in 21 nominations. King Crimson two nominations, Robert Fripp, three. Mike Oldfield won for Tubular Bells (the song), was nominated for Voyager. Rush had seven nominations, no wins.

Then there are the metal categories...

But it was the first time there was a Grammy to be given which had the name "metal" written on it, and it's generally seen as a shame that the first Grammy that could've potentially been awarded as a metal grammy for a metal album went as a non-metal grammy to a non-metal album.

Made my day (Trevor Horn samples Yes for.... their own song)

Marlon ... "what the heck am I gonna do with it?" ... and decline it!

Just what I thought.

Oh you mean kind of like the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame only substitute "white bread" for music that has hipster street cred(Talking heads, Lou Reed, Ramones etc.).

Rick Wakeman would disagree with you there. 

Yes also ... they had five nominations and won once.

Should it? I think as a rock album it deserves a 4 or 5 rating(based on this sites ratings system)but as a prog album I don't think it necessarily deserves more than a 3. However, I do think most prog fans should own it since it's still a part of prog history. 

Yes, but it's debatable that 90125 has enough qualities to be called prog. You may as well call the first Asia album prog or the 80's Genesis or Moody Blues albums prog. Maybe they are but maybe they aren't. It will depend on someone's definition of prog and how strict they want to be about it.

While I agree that lot of things changed in prog from the 70s to the 80s, I still struggle to slot at least the first Asia album as prog.  I think without a line up with undeniable prog credentials, a lot of people would think of it as more of an AOR album which is what it is. Had there been a wholesale move from prog to AOR, it would be one thing.  But at the same time as Asia, Rush was still making prog.  So was the KC-Belew lineup.  Then, Marillion from 1983.  I think of THOSE as 80s albums because the tones, the styles as well as the production are all very 80s but the music is still progressive.

Yes

Genesis

Peter Gabriel

Pink Floyd 

Chicago

Jethro Tull

Tool

Mastodon

Muse

Radiohead

David Bowie

Don't forget Frank Zappa.

It makes perfect sense when you consider that The Police was a hip band and Rush, not so much. It's not fair but that's the reality. 

I am absolutely not denying that the sensibilities are different.  I am saying what is 80s prog isn't only about 80s sensibilities but about the music having a progressive bent.  That I don't get so much from the first Asia, I would say that I find 90125 more progressive than it in places.  

Regarding Asia, with the approach I outline above, one could (I believe, at least to my ears) link the intro chords to "Sole Survivor" to music such as "Dodo/Lurker" by Genesis.  Is it more radio-friendly?  Yes, in line with the 80s sensibility.  It is more "prog POP ROCK" while the other is more "PROG rock".  And, to write an intro like "Don't Cry", which is very symphonic (you must admit that you wave your hands about like a conductor when you hear that) and then to be cast out of the prog rock classification just seems a bit too heavy-handed.  Once again, to me it is "prog POP ROCK" rather than "PROG rock", but that's what defined a lot of early 80s prog to me.  If you go back and look at the roots of prog, you can see that the intro to "Don't Cry" is just as bombastic (in a good way) as "The Court of the Crimson King".  Maybe I don't know what I'm talking about, but that's what my "listening ears" hear.  Not all prog has to be 13/12 time signature, you know.  It could even be a medieval-inspired classical arrangement incorporating rock elements (like Broon's Bane and The Trees), at least that's what some of it used to be back in the good old days.

I think a more deserving title might be "Gateway Prog".  If you look at the list of people's albums of how they got into prog in the first place, much of what they indicate is nowhere even remotely close to the Big 6, let alone the more obscure of bands.  Probably, some people would never have even heard the Big 6 if they hadn't been first introduced to bands like Styx, Led Zep, Queen and Asia.  I see some noses being turned up at the progginess of these bands, especially regarding ratings on later albums, but let's be honest.  These bands were (and still are, to some degree) instrumental in capturing the rock listener's attention.  The listener thinks - "hey, there is more going on here than what I'm used to hearing," and thus begins a path of discovery ... a bridge that leads them into prog.  I think I prefer the term "Gateway Prog" rather than "Prog Related", which carries the undertone of subpar.  If people are trying to rate the progginess of "Alpha" with that of "The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway," I think they are somehow missing the importance and significance of these bands with respect to prog.

Yeah, and like I said, it's not that there was no 'gateway prog' in the 80s either.  Rush's albums are as accessible as Asia's but they remain progressive in the way they explore different musical ideas where Asia at best comes across as a somewhat sophisticated way of writing AOR. The first Iron Maiden album or Seventh Son later on would probably serve the purpose of introducing someone to 'progressive' ideas equally well or better than Asia, likewise Metallica from RTL to AJFA.  And you could then introduce such a person to Marillion's Script for A Jester's Tears to give them an idea of what Genesis updated for the 80s would sound like.

Excellent observation. I agree with you 100%

Chicago on this list?

It's a short list:

Ramones

Green Day 

Nirvana

Should have included Zappa though.

Why not? Anyone on this website is fairgame. I guess that means Steely Dan never won a grammy.

All in all, I don't have much respect for the Grammy's. It's an awards show that appeals to a certain audience for a specific kind of music. The kind of music i'm just not really interested in.

Yes

Traffic

Zappa

Steely Dan

(Jazz Artists With A Grammy Who Are Proggy):

Chick Corea

Al Dimeola

Pat Metheny

John McLaughlin

Miles Davis

John Coltrane

Herbie Hancock

The list goes on and on...