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I will also like to give a shout to the band Midnight Oil for also providing a very creative blend of flavours in their punk compot.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hjd9sjLFUOw

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I love Television. The extended guitar solo in "Marquee Moon" remains one of my favourite guitar solos and still gives me goosebumps.

In Denmark the most influential punk band was Sods who released their debut album Minutes To Go in 1979:


They quickly moved away from punk proper on their second album after which they changed their name to Sort Sol:


They would receive more success as Sort Sol, and they became a kind of institution in Danish rock music eventually. Their breakthrough album from 1991 had songs that sound like this:
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The Clash...another punk band, like the Stranglers, that doesn't fit the stereotype but was undeniably punk regardless of what they thought of themselves..  even if they could play their instruments, write good songs and had artistic aspirations over and above living up to the PR mage and OD'ing a few times, being a drunk the rest of the time,  Getting tossed into the City Hilton a few times getting off on losing a few teeth in the local pub , tossing pussy prog fans (mostly Genesis fan) through the bar front window and ending the high evening on a high note and playing the filling of an Oreo sandwich of two drunk broads who'll make you howl.. but ending pissing in your bed after they pass out .. hah...
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Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

you know.. I seen and read the same and to be honest think it is a big steaming pile of sh*t. Of course they thought themselves more than kids that could barely play their instruments but one must ask themself.

Is prog not rock because it is more technical.. artistically inclined.. no it is not.

The Stranglers were far more than the usual Punk band just as .. umm... Yes was to say.. Aerosmith...

but to say they were not a punk band ignores just how much they were.. umm... punk rock at its core ethos.  A giant heaping of the f**k you mentallity... a big side of misoginy...biting social and poltical commentary.. and above all..  a stark calculation to promoteshock and outrage.  

Oh they were Punk... 

I'd like to quote from the Wikipedia article about The Stranglers to support Friede:

Formed as the Guildford Stranglers on 11 September 1974 in Guildford, Surrey, they originally built a following within the mid-1970s pub rock scene. While their aggressive, no-compromise attitude had them identified by the media with the emerging UK punk rock scene that followed, their idiosyncratic approach rarely followed any single musical genre, and the group went on to explore a variety of musical styles, from new wave, art rock and gothic rock through the sophisti-pop of some of their 1980s output.


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hahah.. love it Greg.. I haven't seen so many forum edits from a post from you since you were a proud member of the AR goon squad and next to David my most feared forum Capo...

Jean... I'll take what Greg said and unpunk it.. and let's in the spirit of the forum... prog it up a bit.   Forget Wiki...  we evaluate music here.. it comes with that higher musical ID we supposedly have.  Put into words.. your wordswhy you don't think they fit into the punk camp...  and while at it... see if they could apply to my prog extension. Yes v. Aerosmith.. both rock..  completely different in pretty much every other sense.  Punk has a stereotype..  sure.. but as I pointed out.. they are have far more in common with Punk than areas they do not.  They are in that way much like the Clash...  only a musical simpleton would say that .. well they have keyboads and thus can't be a punk band.

and you are no simpleton...  come on...  use that impressive brain of yours and leave the Wiki sh*t.. even the owrds of the band. both worthless.. behind.

edit.. for what it is worth.. I supported and fought for their addition here but lost the vote on that.  they belonged here musically.. not because they were or were not punk.  Punk was never really about the music now was it.. thus one can't say one is punk for not sounding 'punk'.


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Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

hahah.. love it Greg.. I haven't seen so many forum edits from a post from you since you were a proud member of the AR goon squad and next to David my most feared forum Capo...

Jean... I'll take what Greg said and unpunk it.. and let's in the spirit of the forum... prog it up a bit.   Forget Wiki...  we evaluate music here.. it comes with that higher musical ID we supposedly have.  Put into words.. your wordswhy you don't think they fit into the punk camp...  and while at it... see if they could apply to my prog extension. Yes v. Aerosmith.. both rock..  completely different in pretty much every other sense.  Punk has a stereotype..  sure.. but as I pointed out.. they are have far more in common with Punk than areas they do not.  They are in that way much like the Clash...  only a musical simpleton would say that .. well they have keyboads and thus can't be a punk band.

and you are no simpleton...  come on...  use that impressive brain of yours and leave the Wiki sh*t.. even the owrds of the band. both worthless.. behind.

edit.. for what it is worth.. I supported and fought for their addition here but lost the vote on that.  they belonged here musically.. not because they were or were not punk.  Punk was never really about the music now was it.. thus one can't say one is punk for not sounding 'punk'.

I have explained it many times. The Stranglers often use real polyphony in their music, a highly advanced compositional technique that is rare among prog artists even. any rock music that is so sophisticated is definitely progressive rock to me


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I've always been partial to the Pogues. Always fun to count the f-bombs you can tally from Shane MacGowan's drunken slur...
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Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Who gives a f**king toss? If it's punk or punk related to you, or not, then why give a sh*t what f**king wikipedia or any other sh*t thinks? I wouldn't wipe my arse with sh*tipedia.com.

EDIT: I hope people relise this is me putting my inner punk on -- still needs some work. I've been listening to John Lydon interviews.

indeed, who gives a f**king toss? alas, the prog archives do. I have argued several times that The Stranglers are a prog band
I notice that Dave Greenfield (RIP) listed Rick Wakeman as one of his main influences, although I bet he wouldn't have admitted that in 1976.
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Watched these earlier; fun.







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I'm listening to Stranglers IV (Rattus Norvegicus), been a log time, damn that's such a good album.



Incidentally, I would have liked to see The Stranglers in PA.

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Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

I'm listening to Stranglers IV (Rattus Norvegicus), been a log time, damn that's such a good album.



Incidentally, I would have liked to see The Stranglers in PA.

my personal favorite is "Black and White", but "Rattus Norvegicus" is excellent too


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The Stranglers in ProgArchives!?? You cannot be SERIOUS!!! Wink
 
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Originally posted by Polymorphia Polymorphia wrote:

Other than that, I generally tend to lean towards the "kinda not punk" genres like post-punk, post-hardcore, more progressive or metallic punk subgenres.

Likewise.  Just plain vanilla punk is kinda boring to me.  Maybe if I had lived in England through that time, I would have understood and appreciated the context of it.  But I am just a millennial consuming music and there are limits to how much I can contextualise music to appreciate it.  Actually, f**k that, I don't do that, ultimately I have to like it at some instinctive level.  My liking or not liking is not going to make an iota of difference to the greatness of the movement anyway so why should I labour.  if there is something I like about a kind of music and something else that bothers me, I can work to overcome the latter.  I did that with hip hop because I always liked the syncopation and only the speakeasy 'singing' bothered me.  But if everything about a kind of music is meh to me, I would much rather not bite.
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Agnostic Front = Hard Core Punk!
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Really great thread, thanx Logan!!!!

Here are some of my big faves I think not yet put here:











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Great song.
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Inner City Unit are definitely our favorite punk band. hardly anyone knows them though. "Pass Out", "Punkadelic", "The Maximum Effect" and "The Presidents Tapes" are great albums


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Dead Kennedys of course one of the greatest HC punk bands!
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The most radical punk band in Denmark was probably No Knox. They had slogans such as "No chords" and "Ruin music" and made an artistic point out of not knowing how to play their instruments. It produced songs such as this:




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