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MortSahlFan ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: March 01 2018 Location: US Status: Offline Points: 3084 |
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I consider vocals an instrument, and would say it would be #1. I know
some bands try to find a sing-a-like, but its so rare that the new guy
is better.
I would say the next one is the drums. Rhythm is so important, and very hard to duplicate. Even a lead guitarist can mimic things note for note. I would say bass is the easiest to replace. |
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Kind of depends on the band. In some situations keyboard players can cover the bass parts ( It's still better to have a real bass player) If it's an acoustic project you may be able to live with out drums. Obviously if it's all instrumental music you don't need a signer and so on...
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Specialized instruments for certain bands can be irreplaceable. For example, the signature violin sound from Robby Steinhardt of Kansas (yes I know they replaced Robby with David Ragsdale, but it just wasn't the same and it was apparent in their loss of popularity) or (even more so) the trademark sound of Ian Anderson's flute in Jethro Tull.
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Not many drums or bass in classical music. But take Yes as an example. Can't replace Jon, Bill, or Chris. They have tried. Not the same for me.
And you could never replace Peart in Rush, and they have the sense not to try |
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The Anders ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 02 2019 Location: Denmark Status: Offline Points: 3535 |
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No instrument is irreplaceable - it will just turn the music into
something else which is not necessarily a bad thing. People often consider the
electric guitar the defining rock instrument, but I know rock bands
with no guitar... Also, sometimes the lack
of crucial instruments can force the musicians to think more
creatively, and thus to make more original music. Here is a band from
Kinshasa which I discovered some time ago. They couldn't afford any
instruments, so they decided to build some themselves of things they
found on the street:
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Bassoon & Cello obviously.
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Yeah, this would be as close as I'm willing to come to irreplaceable. Even in the case of folk music, you can still play those melodies and such on more universal instruments. Really no instrument is irreplaceable. Music can be made with any combination of instruments.
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I mean the people behind the instrument. If you hit a middle C on a piano, it will sound the same if you get 5 piano players.. Guitarists can bend, etc... With drums, its how you hit it, where on the drum you hit it, as well as time, etc etc.. But its hard to replace a vocal. |
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1 is most irreplaceable to me.
1. Vocals 2. Guitar 3. Bass 4. Drums 5. Keys |
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Nice one ![]() Also sums up my thoughts on the matter. Another fine example is Arthur Brown’s Kingdom Come and their wonderful Journey. An album where the drummer decided to replace himself with one of those oldschool drumming machines (y’know Ole Erling style), which really when you think about it seems like a downright horrendous idea. Psychedelic hard rock with a quirky jittery and impossibly fake sounding tju-tju of machined beats...but man does it ever work! |
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I'm talking context. If you take 5 drummers to do the same thing, it would probably vary. Vocals, even more.
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In case of the Doors, the lack of a bass player is a key element of their sound - at least live - but then, they often used a session musician on bass on their studio recordings.
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As far as keys, there are certain techniques that do make some keyboardists quite distinctive. Take Keith Emerson for example, I mean without Emerson, ELP would have not even existed because he was non replaceable, except for maybe most of the time from Love Beach onward). Rick Wakeman is irreplaceable. Who has ever sounded like him? You can definitely tell when Wakeman is with Yes and when he isn't.
Sure anyone can play middle C on the piano and it will sound the same. That is exactly like saying strum a G Chord on the guitar and it will sound the same no matter who it is. It's all about the technique and the talent, the use of dynamics, the expression and so on. It's all about what goes on around the C note that makes a difference. Also, not just anyone can improvise on the keyboards, the same as not just anyone can improvise on a guitar, bass, drums, voice or anything else. In the end, though, no instrument is irreplaceable. But it is a lot more difficult to replace some artists and get the same sound. |
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I am listening to the album now. It almost seems a bit comic, but it kind of works in its own quirky way. Interesting listening experience in any case.
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I can't even count the number of times I've said "this band would be great if that vocalist would go away". Additionally, I can only think of a handful of acts where I thought the vocals were crucial. A capella groups obviously. Basically I'm in the nothing is irreplaceable camp. Except bagpipes, accordions and steel drums. Edited by Tapfret - April 22 2020 at 09:17 |
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Edited by Mascodagama - April 22 2020 at 09:18 |
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Cristi ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Crossover / Prog Metal Teams Joined: July 27 2006 Location: wonderland Status: Online Points: 45911 |
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most of the time it's people that are irreplaceable not the instruments themselves, if that makes sense...
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That makes perfect sense to me. |
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