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    Posted: April 03 2020 at 14:54
I would choose Jim Morrison. Some people confuse some silly movie, or a bad source, and then pass it along as fact, and when many people accept it, its hard for them to break that pattern of thinking, especially if someone has a reputation for bashing some guy for whatever reason. It's rare to see people do a 180, admit they were wrong.

I would always tell people to take first-hand accounts first. Find interviews - video, audio, and text, and then with that foundation, you can read second-hand sources and decide for yourself. And even then, I would start with the best sources - family, band-mates, etc. He was a lot more than just some drunk who did crazy things.

I'd also name Roger Waters. If you read back to interviews in the 1970s, you can read Gilmour saying he was lazy, and how Rick wasn't pulling his weight. I think people misunderstand Roger's personality, too. I guess someone has to drive, but some might confuse a character from "The Wall" as being Roger, just because there are a few similar traits, which is very common among artists, who use many inspirations to create.

And then you have these idiots who'll say "Why doesn't he just stick to what he did best in the 1970s" - not knowing he's been so consistent with his political beliefs, but that its THEM who have the problems, and can only attack because of ignorance.
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Frank Zappa. People refuse to listen because they focus more on the lyrics than the music. Their loss.
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Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

Frank Zappa. People refuse to listen because they focus more on the lyrics than the music. Their loss.


I just focus on Zappa's instrumental music like "Peaches en Regalia" and "Imaginary Diseases". :)

I'll say Christian Vander, and not because people focus more on his lyrics than the music.

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I don't think Morrison and Waters are misunderstood. Both have reputations of intellectuals, outstanding rock poets and driving forces of their highly respected bands.
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Richard Jobson from the '70s/'80s Scottish punk band, Skids......most could never work out the lyrics he was singing!
Here's an old Maxell tape add from that era highlighting how misunderstood the singing of his lyrics were..very funny!


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I will say also Rog. He may not be the easiest person of the earth, but to me it seems he´s given "the bad guy of Floyd"-role and Gilmour "good guy of Floyd" although Gilmour has also been jerk in that Floyd "battle".
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Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

Frank Zappa. People refuse to listen because they focus more on the lyrics than the music. Their loss.

Hi,

No kidding ... totally agreed.

If you listen to the 200 Motels done live on the CD just before Gayle passed away (she had been fighting for the ownership of the film for so many years it probably killed her!) ... you will find the whole ending sequence with the choir a masterpiece, and I think this choir found the RELEASE for having some fun with a great piece, instead of always doing the same crappy thing on 5 or 10 pieces ... that were not even that good. And that fun, is addictive ... it makes the whole thing seem even better than it was before ... 

The one that fits these ideas/descriptions would be Jim Morrison for me, since his writing was almost all exclusively a MOVIE ... and not a rock song ... it's almost like the music is just accompanying his words along ... and I think he got mad in a lot of concerts when people wanted this or that and would not allow him to do some poetry and free form a bit, and then he would gladly do a piece or two ... and this was something that really hurt ... I remember reading one time, that he started the concert with his own poetry, and that he finally had to stop because people were booing ... and you or I would not be happy about singing anything after that!

If people would only close their eyes, they would know all they need to know ... but most rock audiences have to have an idiot tell them what the song is about! And some progressive music is making an even bigger mess of all this with cheesy and cheap religious thoughts and ideas!
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I think people CLEARLY understand who Roger Waters is, no misunderstanding with him. He's still a doosh...even if you don't understand him.

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Black Sabbath fits the bill..  The lyrics don’t match the satanic persona that a lot of people have about them.  Check out Master of Reality for instance.

 

“They should realize before they criticize

That God is the only way to love”

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Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

I think people CLEARLY understand who Roger Waters is, no misunderstanding with him. He's still a doosh...even if you don't understand him.


You don't like humanitarians who risk their lives/career to help the world...

OK..
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Most definitely Frank Zappa.
And The Residents.

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Originally posted by CosmicVibration CosmicVibration wrote:

Black Sabbath fits the bill..The lyrics don’t match the satanic persona that a lot of people have about them. Check
out Master of Reality for instance.

“They should realize before they criticize
That God is the only way to love”


I certainly can find Ozzy Osbourne to be easily misunderstood when I listen to interviews of him. ;)

A lot of those so-called Satanic groups are not really Satanic, it's just for show, a marketing ploy. That said, Black Sabbath repeatedly denied being Satanists. Aside from dark themes in the music, with a name like Black Sabbath, it's hardly suprising that people would associate the band with satanism (the guitarist, Tony Iommi, was going for scary with that name). Apparently they wanted to call the band Earth, but it was taken, so they named it after the Mario Brava horror/fantasy anthology film Black Sabbath.

As for that song, "After Forever", the lyrics were written by one brought up in the Catholic faith (the bassist Geezer Butler). This is what he said about the song in an interview with Bass Guitar Magazine:

Originally posted by Geezer Butler (said) Geezer Butler (said) wrote:

A lot of it was because of the situation in Northern Ireland at the time. There were a lot of religious troubles between the Protestants against the Catholics. I was brought up strictly Catholic and I guess I was naive in thinking that religion shouldn't be fought over...

I always felt that God and Jesus wanted us to love each other. It was just a bad time in Northern Ireland, setting bombs off in England and such. We all believed in Jesus - and yet people were killing each other over it. To me it was just ridiculous. I thought that if God could see us killing each other in his name, he'd be disgusted.


Ozzy Osbourne has declared himself a Christian (CofE methinks) and has said that he prays before every performance (to God, not to that Devilish lackey) at some time.

I think a lot of actual Satanists are really misunderstood. Many don't believe in Satan at all. A lot are atheists/ agnostic, and it's more of s symbolic gesture, and with some an F.U. to fundamentalist/ evangelical Christians, and other religious types, as they know it's going to be provocative and offensive to some -- various choose to "own" the Satanist label. Of course part of it is a reaction to the intolerance of many of the religious. There are many strands of Satanism. I enjoyed the documentary on Netflix "Hail Satan?"   By the way, I would like to think of myself as a pretty tolerant individual, but I'm not very tolerant of the intolerant (including my own intolerance sometimes), and am quite judgmental of the judgmental (including my own judgmentalishness sometimes).

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Originally posted by BarryGlibb BarryGlibb wrote:

Richard Jobson from the '70s/'80s Scottish punk band, Skids......most could never work out the lyrics he was singing!
Here's an old Maxell tape add from that era highlighting how misunderstood the singing of his lyrics were..very funny!



I fondly remember those adverts - there were more, if I remember rightly. Misunderstood lyrics would take (and probably have taken) whole threads alone.
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Originally posted by MortSahlFan MortSahlFan wrote:

Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

I think people CLEARLY understand who Roger Waters is, no misunderstanding with him. He's still a doosh...even if you don't understand him.


You don't like humanitarians who risk their lives/career to help the world...

OK..
What on earth are u talking about?? Clearly you need to take Roger off some proverbial pedestal you have erected of him in your house. There are mountains of humanitarians I would chose over someone like Roger Waters, he is not even in the realm of thinking for such a title....LOL.

He is a musician and entertainer.....
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Edited by moshkito - April 11 2020 at 01:29
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Originally posted by dwill123 dwill123 wrote:

Sun Ra
 

Hi,

Just saw that special on his work on the Amazon Prime thing, and I have to admit that it was nice to see, although I am not sure that the "political/philosophical" thing has anything to do with the music at all, but that's my looking at it ... when someone thinks that their music represents something ... it starts getting strange and looking for more fans in my mind.

Still, got to admit that there is a lot of very nice stuff, and it is a GREAT LESSON to what "progressive" can do that it does not do ... and explore areas that most people are afraid to even try, and see if we can get away from that "formula" thing that most "prog" and "progressive" has fallen to, which needs to die!

Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

I think people CLEARLY understand who Roger Waters is, no misunderstanding with him. He's still a doosh...even if you don't understand him.


Hi,

He's not bad ... my only concern is that he is so opinionated, that it makes it easier to turn it off ... I think his fame and fortune went to his head way too much ... to the point where he can say ... I don't care!

There is really nothing to understand in Roger's words ... they are all almost just a little story. Even his idea of a "concept" is ... I think it's a joke ... he's had enough of concepts with DSOTM, WYWH, and TW.


Edited by moshkito - April 11 2020 at 01:29
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Originally posted by MortSahlFan MortSahlFan wrote:

Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

I think people CLEARLY understand who Roger Waters is, no misunderstanding with him. He's still a doosh...even if you don't understand him.


You don't like humanitarians who risk their lives/career to help the world...

OK..


If Roger Waters is a humanitarian helping the world then Ted Bundy was a feminist Ermm
As far as misunderstood goes, Arthur Brown never escaped from the 'God of Hellfire' persona that was erected around him. In reality he's a deeply spiritual, egalitarian, didactic (albeit) shamanic individual that members of the Manson family once sent death threats.


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