Most Misunderstood Artists?
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Topic: Most Misunderstood Artists?
Posted By: MortSahlFan
Subject: Most Misunderstood Artists?
Date Posted: April 03 2020 at 14:54
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I would choose Jim Morrison. Some people confuse
some silly movie, or a bad source, and then pass it along as fact, and
when many people accept it, its hard for them to break that pattern of
thinking, especially if someone has a reputation for bashing some guy
for whatever reason. It's rare to see people do a 180, admit they were
wrong. I would always tell people to take first-hand accounts first. Find interviews - video, audio, and text, and then with that foundation, you can read second-hand sources and decide for yourself. And even then, I would start with the best sources - family, band-mates, etc. He was a lot more than just some drunk who did crazy things. I'd also name Roger Waters. If you read back to interviews in the 1970s, you can read Gilmour saying he was lazy, and how Rick wasn't pulling his weight. I think people misunderstand Roger's personality, too. I guess someone has to drive, but some might confuse a character from "The Wall" as being Roger, just because there are a few similar traits, which is very common among artists, who use many inspirations to create. And then you have these idiots who'll say "Why doesn't he just stick to what he did best in the 1970s" - not knowing he's been so consistent with his political beliefs, but that its THEM who have the problems, and can only attack because of ignorance. ------------- https://www.youtube.com/c/LoyalOpposition https://www.scribd.com/document/382737647/MortSahlFan-Song-List |
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Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: April 03 2020 at 15:09
| Frank Zappa. People refuse to listen because they focus more on the lyrics than the music. Their loss. |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: April 03 2020 at 15:16
I just focus on Zappa's instrumental music like "Peaches en Regalia" and "Imaginary Diseases". :) I'll say http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=116110" rel="nofollow - Christian Vander , and not because people focus more on his lyrics than the music. |
Grumpyprogfan wrote:Posted By: NotAProghead
Date Posted: April 03 2020 at 15:25
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I don't think Morrison and Waters are misunderstood. Both have reputations of intellectuals, outstanding rock poets and driving forces of their highly respected bands. ------------- Who are you and who am I to say we know the reason why... (D. Gilmour) |
Posted By: BarryGlibb
Date Posted: April 03 2020 at 17:41
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Richard Jobson from the '70s/'80s Scottish punk band, Skids......most could never work out the lyrics he was singing! Here's an old Maxell tape add from that era highlighting how misunderstood the singing of his lyrics were..very funny! |
Posted By: Mortte
Date Posted: April 03 2020 at 23:06
| I will say also Rog. He may not be the easiest person of the earth, but to me it seems he´s given "the bad guy of Floyd"-role and Gilmour "good guy of Floyd" although Gilmour has also been jerk in that Floyd "battle". |
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: April 04 2020 at 08:20
Hi, No kidding ... totally agreed. If you listen to the 200 Motels done live on the CD just before Gayle passed away (she had been fighting for the ownership of the film for so many years it probably killed her!) ... you will find the whole ending sequence with the choir a masterpiece, and I think this choir found the RELEASE for having some fun with a great piece, instead of always doing the same crappy thing on 5 or 10 pieces ... that were not even that good. And that fun, is addictive ... it makes the whole thing seem even better than it was before ... The one that fits these ideas/descriptions would be Jim Morrison for me, since his writing was almost all exclusively a MOVIE ... and not a rock song ... it's almost like the music is just accompanying his words along ... and I think he got mad in a lot of concerts when people wanted this or that and would not allow him to do some poetry and free form a bit, and then he would gladly do a piece or two ... and this was something that really hurt ... I remember reading one time, that he started the concert with his own poetry, and that he finally had to stop because people were booing ... and you or I would not be happy about singing anything after that! If people would only close their eyes, they would know all they need to know ... but most rock audiences have to have an idiot tell them what the song is about! And some progressive music is making an even bigger mess of all this with cheesy and cheap religious thoughts and ideas! ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: April 04 2020 at 08:51
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I think people CLEARLY understand who Roger Waters is, no misunderstanding with him. He's still a doosh...even if you don't understand him. -------------   
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Posted By: CosmicVibration
Date Posted: April 04 2020 at 08:57
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Black Sabbath fits the bill.. The lyrics don’t match the satanic persona that a lot of people have about them. Check out Master of Reality for instance.
“They should realize before they criticize That God is the only way to love” |
Posted By: dwill123
Date Posted: April 04 2020 at 09:39
Sun Ra |
Posted By: MortSahlFan
Date Posted: April 04 2020 at 10:22
You don't like humanitarians who risk their lives/career to help the world... OK.. ------------- https://www.youtube.com/c/LoyalOpposition https://www.scribd.com/document/382737647/MortSahlFan-Song-List |
Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: April 04 2020 at 10:45
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ZOLAR X -------------  https://rateyourmusic.com/~siLLy_puPPy |
Posted By: TCat
Date Posted: April 04 2020 at 10:56
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Most definitely Frank Zappa. And The Residents. ------------- https://ibb.co/8x0xjR0" rel="nofollow">  |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: April 04 2020 at 11:32
I certainly can find Ozzy Osbourne to be easily misunderstood when I listen to interviews of him. ;) A lot of those so-called Satanic groups are not really Satanic, it's just for show, a marketing ploy. That said, Black Sabbath repeatedly denied being Satanists. Aside from dark themes in the music, with a name like Black Sabbath, it's hardly suprising that people would associate the band with satanism (the guitarist, Tony Iommi, was going for scary with that name). Apparently they wanted to call the band Earth, but it was taken, so they named it after the Mario Brava horror/fantasy anthology film Black Sabbath. As for that song, "After Forever", the lyrics were written by one brought up in the Catholic faith (the bassist Geezer Butler). This is what he said about the song in an interview with Bass Guitar Magazine:
Ozzy Osbourne has declared himself a Christian (CofE methinks) and has said that he prays before every performance (to God, not to that Devilish lackey) at some time. I think a lot of actual Satanists are really misunderstood. Many don't believe in Satan at all. A lot are atheists/ agnostic, and it's more of s symbolic gesture, and with some an F.U. to fundamentalist/ evangelical Christians, and other religious types, as they know it's going to be provocative and offensive to some -- various choose to "own" the Satanist label. Of course part of it is a reaction to the intolerance of many of the religious. There are many strands of Satanism. I enjoyed the documentary on Netflix "Hail Satan?" By the way, I would like to think of myself as a pretty tolerant individual, but I'm not very tolerant of the intolerant (including my own intolerance sometimes), and am quite judgmental of the judgmental (including my own judgmentalishness sometimes). |
Posted By: Squonk19
Date Posted: April 04 2020 at 13:05
I fondly remember those adverts - there were more, if I remember rightly. Misunderstood lyrics would take (and probably have taken) whole threads alone. ------------- “Living in their pools, they soon forget about the sea.” |
Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: April 04 2020 at 13:12
What on earth are u talking about?? Clearly you need to take Roger off some proverbial pedestal you have erected of him in your house. There are mountains of humanitarians I would chose over someone like Roger Waters, he is not even in the realm of thinking for such a title....  .He is a musician and entertainer..... -------------
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Posted By: Mascodagama
Date Posted: April 04 2020 at 14:03
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Chris de Burgh. ------------- Soldato of the Pan Head Mafia. We'll make you an offer you can't listen to. http://bandcamp.com/jpillbox" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp Profile |
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: April 04 2020 at 14:28
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(removed to prevent dupe) ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: April 11 2020 at 01:28
Hi, Just saw that special on his work on the Amazon Prime thing, and I have to admit that it was nice to see, although I am not sure that the "political/philosophical" thing has anything to do with the music at all, but that's my looking at it ... when someone thinks that their music represents something ... it starts getting strange and looking for more fans in my mind. Still, got to admit that there is a lot of very nice stuff, and it is a GREAT LESSON to what "progressive" can do that it does not do ... and explore areas that most people are afraid to even try, and see if we can get away from that "formula" thing that most "prog" and "progressive" has fallen to, which needs to die!
Hi, He's not bad ... my only concern is that he is so opinionated, that it makes it easier to turn it off ... I think his fame and fortune went to his head way too much ... to the point where he can say ... I don't care! There is really nothing to understand in Roger's words ... they are all almost just a little story. Even his idea of a "concept" is ... I think it's a joke ... he's had enough of concepts with DSOTM, WYWH, and TW. ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: April 11 2020 at 01:56
If Roger Waters is a humanitarian helping the world then Ted Bundy was a feminist  As far as misunderstood goes, Arthur Brown never escaped from the 'God of Hellfire' persona that was erected around him. In reality he's a deeply spiritual, egalitarian, didactic (albeit) shamanic individual that members of the Manson family once sent death threats.
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Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: April 11 2020 at 03:07
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The Misunderstood of courses :) ------------- https://rateyourmusic.com/~siLLy_puPPy |
Posted By: The Anders
Date Posted: April 11 2020 at 08:45
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Paul McCartney. There seems to be a lot of prejudice towards him, for instance with cliched stereotypes of him being the writer of superficial "grandmother pop", not being artsy enough and so on. For sure, he has written songs like "When I'm Sixty Four", "Obla Di Obla Da" and "Maxwell's Silver Hammer", but also a lot of work that does not live up to that. After all he was the one most interested in avant-garde during their Revolver-Sgt. Pepper period, and the inventive soundscape f.e. of "Tomorrow Never Knows" was very much his merit.
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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: April 11 2020 at 10:13
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The most misunderstood artist? Michael Stipe of REM. Until he started singing in intelligible English, the first few REM albums were indecipherable, with Stipe mumbling something like: "Rezzer reezer rozzer roozer." ------------- ...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology... |
Posted By: MortSahlFan
Date Posted: April 11 2020 at 12:01
That's John's.. ------------- https://www.youtube.com/c/LoyalOpposition https://www.scribd.com/document/382737647/MortSahlFan-Song-List |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: April 11 2020 at 12:17
Posted By: The Anders
Date Posted: April 11 2020 at 14:11
It is written by John, but Paul had a big influence on its sound, f.e. he came up with Ringo's drum pattern. The tape loops were also his idea (inspired by Stockhausen's Gesang der Jünglinge).
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Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: April 11 2020 at 14:53
------------- My other avatar is a Porsche It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle if it is lightly greased. -Kehlog Albran |
Posted By: The Anders
Date Posted: April 11 2020 at 14:59
I know that.
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