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Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

"Rubycon" by Tangerine Dream.
 

Stratosfear is just a tad shorter (time lengths on previous page).


I don't know why but that's one of the few TD albums I really need to have another go at. I don't know, it just seemed to pass me by.
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Whenever a poster castigates a song with adjectives "noodling" or "rambling". They surely realise that, most of us, as prog fans, welcome and embrace most noodling and rambling as essential for the genre....short is for commercial pop....let us celebrate the need for length....extension is good...
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Originally posted by M27Barney M27Barney wrote:

Whenever a poster castigates a song with adjectives "noodling" or "rambling". They surely realise that, most of us, as prog fans, welcome and embrace most noodling and rambling as essential for the genre....short is for commercial pop....let us celebrate the need for length....extension is good...
 
I only used the word "noodling" once in an album review. Never again. Although I didn't mean it disrespectfully. I just prefer "keyboard wizardry" or some such similar term of praise to voice my approval. Smile


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote verslibre Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 20 2020 at 15:14
Originally posted by LAM-SGC LAM-SGC wrote:

Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

"Rubycon" by Tangerine Dream.
 

Stratosfear is just a tad shorter (time lengths on previous page).


I don't know why but that's one of the few TD albums I really need to have another go at. I don't know, it just seemed to pass me by.
 

Stratosfear is one of their MASTERWORKS.

The title track is, hands down, one of the best things they've ever done. Clap
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This has probably been said somewhere above, but I think rock albums - and perhaps especially prog  - benifited from the constraints of the LP era.  Rock grew up with a typical 40 minute album 'limit', and I think that's part of its DNA (yes, artists like Klaus Schulze squeezed 30 minutes a side onto vinyl, but the sound quality starts to drop noticeably if you do that with something with a lot of dynamic range)

Quite apart from those physical considerations, an LP has four pivotal tracks: the first and last tracks on side A and B. I'd dare to say all great rock albums were sequenced with this dynamic in mind. The coming of the CD means we lost two of those pivot points, and with streaming we pretty much lost all of them.

I have to admit I don't really miss changing LP sides, nor do I miss the slow deterioration of vinyl, but I do believe old LPs on CD often suffer from the absence of that dramatic structure; probably more so if you don't remember the original vinyl sequence.

And for sure, too many artists suffered a drop in quality when they transitioned to trying to 'fill up' a CD with material. I'm also of the opinion that 70-80 minutes is often just too long to maintain peak level of concentration for many styles of rock, without some sort of fatigue setting in.  This may be less true for prog than many other forms. 'Tales From Topographic Oceans' is arguably an album that would like to have had access to a CD running length - though, again, the framing device of 4 side-long songs on a double LP  of vinyl is essentially the same pattern as a more conventional album with the four structural points I mentioned before. Quite possibly it BECAME a work of four movements because of the constraints of vinyl, and had it come out with no need to impose a structure of that sort, it would probably have been a completely different work.

YMMV. Maybe this is just because the vinyl  album structure is what I grew up on, and it feels instinctively right. But when I hear 'Dark Side' on CD, I always mentally register that 'Money' is the start of side two.



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Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by LAM-SGC LAM-SGC wrote:

Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

"Rubycon" by Tangerine Dream.
 

Stratosfear is just a tad shorter (time lengths on previous page).


I don't know why but that's one of the few TD albums I really need to have another go at. I don't know, it just seemed to pass me by.
 

Stratosfear is one of their MASTERWORKS.

The title track is, hands down, one of the best things they've ever done. Clap
 

yes definitely. I first heard it on the Dream Sequence compilation ( The first thing I ever bought by TD) and very slightly edited . That was when a structured approach started to become more apparent I think.   
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Originally posted by ForestFriend ForestFriend wrote:

Gentle Giant were the kings of short - but dense - prog. None of their studio albums were over 40 minutes, and I don't think they even made a song longer than 10 minutes (not counting live stuff).

I have a fairly short attention span, so I find it tough to get into an album that's close to an hour or longer. Although I don't have the attitude that every album must be listened in full every time, so often I have better luck listening to individual tracks than the whole thing.
 
Yeah! it made me remember when I got my hands on Octopus on CD a long time ago (the stereo showed clearly the total play time Approve).. it was a birthday present from two of a us proggy friends to a third one.

Summing up now it seems 34:05 I think.. 




Edited by Machinemessiah - February 26 2020 at 05:26
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