Forum Home Forum Home > Progressive Music Lounges > Prog Polls
  New Posts New Posts RSS Feed - "Retro Prog"
  FAQ FAQ  Forum Search   Events   Register Register  Login Login

"Retro Prog"

 Post Reply Post Reply Page  123>
Poll Question: Whats your opinion
Poll Choice Votes Poll Statistics
36 [63.16%]
8 [14.04%]
6 [10.53%]
2 [3.51%]
5 [8.77%]
You can not vote in this poll

Author
Message
dougmcauliffe View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: February 23 2019
Location: US
Status: Offline
Points: 3895
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote dougmcauliffe Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Topic: "Retro Prog"
    Posted: December 22 2019 at 18:01
I know this is broad, but I've seen some criticisms and single star reviews of some retro prog bands/albums saying they are treading the waters of past greats or they're unoriginal. So what are your thoughts? Personally, I love retro prog and don't get some peoples problems. If some of these albums were recorded and produced note for note in the 70s they would likely be held as prog classics. So imo, some criticisms are silly.
The sun has left the sky...
...Now you can close your eyes
Back to Top
AFlowerKingCrimson View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: October 02 2016
Location: Philly burbs
Status: Offline
Points: 18278
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote AFlowerKingCrimson Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 22 2019 at 18:41
Could you give some examples?
Back to Top
dougmcauliffe View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: February 23 2019
Location: US
Status: Offline
Points: 3895
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote dougmcauliffe Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 22 2019 at 18:43
Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Could you give some examples?


Wobbler, Jordsjo, Anglagard, Daal, Anekdoten, are probably the most notable ones, but I think all have their own unique sounds
The sun has left the sky...
...Now you can close your eyes
Back to Top
ForestFriend View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: February 23 2017
Location: Canada
Status: Offline
Points: 680
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote ForestFriend Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 22 2019 at 19:00
I don't really have a problem with it. I'm not a big fan of the term, though - it seems like a lot of people just look at the number of vintage keyboard sounds they use and dismiss it as retro prog. But if a band starts using hi-gain metal guitar sounds, or electronic synth stuff, wow, they're so new and original! Even though those sounds have been in use since the 80s...
I remember people labeling All Traps On Earth as retro prog - although it doesn't quite sound like any one band out of the 70s. Sounds a bit like Anglagard (because they share members...), and even they don't really compose like many bands from the 70s either. They just use some of the same equipment.
Back to Top
YESESIS View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: July 26 2017
Location: Maine
Status: Offline
Points: 2215
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote YESESIS Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 22 2019 at 19:51
I went with 'Generally don't like it with a few exceptions' and those of course are Spock's Beard and Saga.
Back to Top
Atavachron View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Honorary Collaborator

Joined: September 30 2006
Location: Pearland
Status: Online
Points: 65266
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Atavachron Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 22 2019 at 20:21
Love it.

"Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought."   -- John F. Kennedy
Back to Top
progaardvark View Drop Down
Collaborator
Collaborator
Avatar
Crossover/Symphonic/RPI Teams

Joined: June 14 2007
Location: Sea of Peas
Status: Offline
Points: 51065
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote progaardvark Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 22 2019 at 22:09
I can't seem to get enough of it. 
----------
i'm shopping for a new oil-cured sinus bag
that's a happy bag of lettuce
this car smells like cartilage
nothing beats a good video about fractions
Back to Top
Manuel View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: March 09 2007
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 13352
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Manuel Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 22 2019 at 22:41
I don't care if it's retro, modern, classic, etc. If I like the music, the label is not important to me.
Back to Top
Man With Hat View Drop Down
Collaborator
Collaborator
Avatar
Jazz-Rock/Fusion/Canterbury Team

Joined: March 12 2005
Location: Neurotica
Status: Offline
Points: 166178
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Man With Hat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 22 2019 at 22:42
option 1 
Dig me...But don't...Bury me
I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive
Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect.
Back to Top
dougmcauliffe View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: February 23 2019
Location: US
Status: Offline
Points: 3895
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote dougmcauliffe Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 22 2019 at 22:46
Originally posted by Manuel Manuel wrote:

I don't care if it's retro, modern, classic, etc. If I like the music, the label is not important to me.


I wholeheartedly agree with these sentiments
The sun has left the sky...
...Now you can close your eyes
Back to Top
ExittheLemming View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: October 19 2007
Location: Penal Colony
Status: Offline
Points: 11415
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote ExittheLemming Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 23 2019 at 01:27
Apart from say, the Whirlwind by Transatlantic which I think represents a victory for the memorable over the aural memorabilia served up by the likes of Black Bonzo, Wobbler, Anglagard, the Samurai of Prog, Phideaux, Spock's Beard, Beardfish, Big Big Train, Anekdoten, the Flower Kings etc. Most of whom are but a pale imitation of what was borderline anaemic in the first place. Maybe it's my deep seated and prejudicial aversion to post modernism that makes me balk at much of this music.

We no longer, many of us, believe in the idea of musical progress. All the more reason, perhaps, to savor the music of those who did. (
Back to Top
Mormegil View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: January 03 2010
Location: NE PA
Status: Offline
Points: 7113
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Mormegil Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 23 2019 at 06:06
No issue here . . .
Welcome to the middle of the film.
Back to Top
Sean Trane View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator

Prog Folk

Joined: April 29 2004
Location: Heart of Europe
Status: Offline
Points: 20248
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Sean Trane Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 23 2019 at 06:30
retro prog is usually very flattering to the ears (I enjoy a good part of it), but let's face it, most of it can't really live up the 70's stuff it's inspired upon.
Back to Top
judahbenkenobi View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: September 09 2017
Location: Guatemala
Status: Offline
Points: 844
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote judahbenkenobi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 23 2019 at 06:49
I've tried so hard to like Wobbler and All Traps on Earth, but after a hundred spins can't just get over them. So I wonder if it's the "sub-genre" of "retro-Prog" what I don't like. Because someone in a previous post mentioned Spock's Beard, but I don't find that to be retro. Maybe I would put The Flower Kings in that category, but not everything they play sounds retro. (And I like TFK)
Back to Top
BrufordFreak View Drop Down
Collaborator
Collaborator
Avatar
Honorary Collaborator

Joined: January 25 2008
Location: Wisconsin
Status: Offline
Points: 8192
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote BrufordFreak Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 23 2019 at 12:11
Example of what is not  retro prog:

  Änglagård is to Yes/Genesis as Shostakovich is to Brahms/Debussy

Example of what is retro prog:

   Steve Unruh is to Jethro Tull as Mozart is to Haydn

I love ALL of the above artists and their music!
Drew Fisher
https://progisaliveandwell.blogspot.com/
Back to Top
dr wu23 View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: August 22 2010
Location: Indiana
Status: Offline
Points: 20623
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote dr wu23 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 23 2019 at 12:17
I like it...most of it anyway....fan of Wobbler and Astra...though they haven't done anything for 7 years.
Also like most of the ones above.
One does nothing yet nothing is left undone.
Haquin
Back to Top
AFlowerKingCrimson View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: October 02 2016
Location: Philly burbs
Status: Offline
Points: 18278
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote AFlowerKingCrimson Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 23 2019 at 12:18
I almost voted for the second option but really I don't think it's fair to say it can't compete with the classics. No other subgenre can either plus it's kind of irrelevant if it can or can't. So number one for me.
Back to Top
Psychedelic Paul View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: September 16 2019
Location: Nottingham, U.K
Status: Offline
Points: 40222
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Psychedelic Paul Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 23 2019 at 12:25
Originally posted by ExittheLemming ExittheLemming wrote:

Apart from say, the Whirlwind by Transatlantic which I think represents a victory for the memorable over the aural memorabilia served up by the likes of Black Bonzo, Wobbler, Anglagard, the Samurai of Prog, Phideaux, Spock's Beard, Beardfish, Big Big Train, Anekdoten, the Flower Kings etc. Most of whom are but a pale imitation of what was borderline anaemic in the first place. Maybe it's my deep seated and prejudicial aversion to post modernism that makes me balk at much of this music.

We no longer, many of us, believe in the idea of musical progress. All the more reason, perhaps, to savor the music of those who did. (
 
Your album reviews are the best! They're a masterclass in how to write an entertaining and informative review. Everyone here should read at least one of your reviews.  Even if I don't always agree with your album reviews, I always enjoy reading what you have to say. Keep up the good work. Thumbs Up


Edited by Psychedelic Paul - December 23 2019 at 12:28
Back to Top
mathman0806 View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: June 06 2014
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 6421
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote mathman0806 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 23 2019 at 12:57
I am probably somewhere between options 1 and 2. I don't have any issue with bands doing "retro prog." I am not sure I like most of it. I don't hate most of it. I am just neutral obout most of it. For example, I don't find my prog listening to be any better or worse for having listened to Wobbler's "From Silence to Somewhere." 
Back to Top
tamijo_II View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: October 06 2019
Location: DK
Status: Offline
Points: 881
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote tamijo_II Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 23 2019 at 13:25
"I like it but it cant compete with the classics"

Lovely music those bands you mention, but can't find albums in there that would compete with the best from 70-75, especially considering what technical advantage they got over a 1974 production. 




Edited by tamijo_II - December 23 2019 at 13:26
Same person as this profile:
Tamijo
Back to Top
 Post Reply Post Reply Page  123>

Forum Jump Forum Permissions View Drop Down



This page was generated in 0.133 seconds.
Donate monthly and keep PA fast-loading and ad-free forever.