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    Posted: December 22 2019 at 18:01
I know this is broad, but I've seen some criticisms and single star reviews of some retro prog bands/albums saying they are treading the waters of past greats or they're unoriginal. So what are your thoughts? Personally, I love retro prog and don't get some peoples problems. If some of these albums were recorded and produced note for note in the 70s they would likely be held as prog classics. So imo, some criticisms are silly.
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Could you give some examples?
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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Could you give some examples?


Wobbler, Jordsjo, Anglagard, Daal, Anekdoten, are probably the most notable ones, but I think all have their own unique sounds
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I don't really have a problem with it. I'm not a big fan of the term, though - it seems like a lot of people just look at the number of vintage keyboard sounds they use and dismiss it as retro prog. But if a band starts using hi-gain metal guitar sounds, or electronic synth stuff, wow, they're so new and original! Even though those sounds have been in use since the 80s...
I remember people labeling All Traps On Earth as retro prog - although it doesn't quite sound like any one band out of the 70s. Sounds a bit like Anglagard (because they share members...), and even they don't really compose like many bands from the 70s either. They just use some of the same equipment.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote YESESIS Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 22 2019 at 19:51
I went with 'Generally don't like it with a few exceptions' and those of course are Spock's Beard and Saga.
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Love it.

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I can't seem to get enough of it. 
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I don't care if it's retro, modern, classic, etc. If I like the music, the label is not important to me.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Man With Hat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 22 2019 at 22:42
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote dougmcauliffe Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 22 2019 at 22:46
Originally posted by Manuel Manuel wrote:

I don't care if it's retro, modern, classic, etc. If I like the music, the label is not important to me.


I wholeheartedly agree with these sentiments
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Apart from say, the Whirlwind by Transatlantic which I think represents a victory for the memorable over the aural memorabilia served up by the likes of Black Bonzo, Wobbler, Anglagard, the Samurai of Prog, Phideaux, Spock's Beard, Beardfish, Big Big Train, Anekdoten, the Flower Kings etc. Most of whom are but a pale imitation of what was borderline anaemic in the first place. Maybe it's my deep seated and prejudicial aversion to post modernism that makes me balk at much of this music.

We no longer, many of us, believe in the idea of musical progress. All the more reason, perhaps, to savor the music of those who did. (
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Mormegil Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 23 2019 at 06:06
No issue here . . .
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Sean Trane Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 23 2019 at 06:30
retro prog is usually very flattering to the ears (I enjoy a good part of it), but let's face it, most of it can't really live up the 70's stuff it's inspired upon.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote judahbenkenobi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 23 2019 at 06:49
I've tried so hard to like Wobbler and All Traps on Earth, but after a hundred spins can't just get over them. So I wonder if it's the "sub-genre" of "retro-Prog" what I don't like. Because someone in a previous post mentioned Spock's Beard, but I don't find that to be retro. Maybe I would put The Flower Kings in that category, but not everything they play sounds retro. (And I like TFK)
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote BrufordFreak Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 23 2019 at 12:11
Example of what is not  retro prog:

  Änglagård is to Yes/Genesis as Shostakovich is to Brahms/Debussy

Example of what is retro prog:

   Steve Unruh is to Jethro Tull as Mozart is to Haydn

I love ALL of the above artists and their music!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote dr wu23 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 23 2019 at 12:17
I like it...most of it anyway....fan of Wobbler and Astra...though they haven't done anything for 7 years.
Also like most of the ones above.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote AFlowerKingCrimson Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 23 2019 at 12:18
I almost voted for the second option but really I don't think it's fair to say it can't compete with the classics. No other subgenre can either plus it's kind of irrelevant if it can or can't. So number one for me.
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Originally posted by ExittheLemming ExittheLemming wrote:

Apart from say, the Whirlwind by Transatlantic which I think represents a victory for the memorable over the aural memorabilia served up by the likes of Black Bonzo, Wobbler, Anglagard, the Samurai of Prog, Phideaux, Spock's Beard, Beardfish, Big Big Train, Anekdoten, the Flower Kings etc. Most of whom are but a pale imitation of what was borderline anaemic in the first place. Maybe it's my deep seated and prejudicial aversion to post modernism that makes me balk at much of this music.

We no longer, many of us, believe in the idea of musical progress. All the more reason, perhaps, to savor the music of those who did. (
 
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Edited by Psychedelic Paul - December 23 2019 at 12:28
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote mathman0806 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 23 2019 at 12:57
I am probably somewhere between options 1 and 2. I don't have any issue with bands doing "retro prog." I am not sure I like most of it. I don't hate most of it. I am just neutral obout most of it. For example, I don't find my prog listening to be any better or worse for having listened to Wobbler's "From Silence to Somewhere." 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote tamijo_II Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 23 2019 at 13:25
"I like it but it cant compete with the classics"

Lovely music those bands you mention, but can't find albums in there that would compete with the best from 70-75, especially considering what technical advantage they got over a 1974 production. 




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