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BrufordFreak 
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Marillion, IQ, Queensryche, Pendragon, The Cardiacs, Änglagård, The Flower Kings, Opeth, Dream Theater, Porcupine Tree, Riverside, Kayo Dot, Univers Zero, Present, Magma, Discipline, Anekdoten, Ulver, all seem worthy of being included in the conversation. Who the "Top Six" are and Second six I have no clue. Seems that Prog Metal and Neo Prog kept the genre alive in the 1980s and 90s but the 21st Century has been a different story.
For consideration: Magma Porcupine Tree/Steven Wilson Riverside/Mariuz Duda Maudlin of The Well/Kayo Dot/Toby Driver Mirek Gil (Collage, Satellite, Mr. Gil, Believe) Phideaux Xavier Dan Britton Neal Morse Devin Townsend Jean-Pierre Louveton Michel St. Père Omar Rodríguez-López
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AFlowerKingCrimson
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Without looking at others answers:
Marillion IQ Spock's Beard Porcupine Tree The Flower Kings Ozric Tentacles (I'm probably the only one on here with them on here for this list) Honorable mentions: Glass Hammer (though I'm not much of a fan) Big Big Train Anglagard Anekdoten Echolyn Pendragon Arena Riverside Dream Theater Opeth
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Fischman
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Dream Theater Fates Warning Spock's Beard Marillion IQ Haken |
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Logan
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A post-1979 album release big seven Avant Prog could be:
Present Cardiacs Miriodor Guapo Thinking Plague Secret Chiefs 3 Kayo Dot Also: Rational Diet, U Totem, Far Corner, Hoyry-Kone... I guess for my personal list I might go with (based on no releases before 1980): Eskaton Shub-Niggurath Kosmischer Läufer Guapo Cardiacs Present |
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richardh
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The first five come very easily but I had to think about Opeth a bit. They cover the bases of a heavier prog approach and also are Swedish and there needs to be at least one band from the region. I would dismiss Anglagard's claims because they only have one important album. Marillion IQ Dream Theater Spocks Beard Porcupine Tree Opeth |
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Its funny how the Flower Kings are dismissed by the "pan on head mob"...Fookin Cardiacs??? The guitar work of Stolt is at least 5 magnitudes better than the avant work in totality....
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Rush didn't start releasing material post 79. They'd been around for a while before that... 
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Blacksword
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essexboyinwales
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IQ Ayreon Marillion Dream Theater It Bites Frost* These would be my choices, as I love them all and know them well. There are others I don't know, or don't know as well, which would undoubtedly compete with them. Transatlantic come close, maybe Big Big Train. Arena, Pendragon...... Oh, nearly forgot Devin Townsend! He's definitely pushing that top 6! Seeing him tomorrow night in the Cardiff Uni Student's Union (5 mins walk from work!)
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Saleswise/popularity-wise, this would appear to be it.
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Nogbad_The_Bad
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Those would look a lot like my lists.
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Nogbad_The_Bad
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 I'm not seriously proposing Cardiacs as they are too left field for most of the people here, but at least they have 3 top 100 post 79 albums (36, 62, & 71). Flower Kings for all the love have zero top 100 albums. I have a had time thinking a band can be Big 6 with zero top 100 albums. They only have 1 album with more than 600 ratings and none with more than 1000. Opeth on the other hand have 5 top 100 albums and 7 with more than 1000 ratings. My actual list is Marillion Dream Theater Anglagard Porcupine Tree Opeth Riverside of which I'm actually only a fan of Anglagard & PT.
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I misread the OP, Rush had a lot a great albums post 79 whereas all the 70's Big 6 don't have much post 79. I'd probably throw in Riverside.
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AFlowerKingCrimson
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I don't think it's fair to exclude TFK from a modern big six list just because they don't have any albums in the top 100. Neither do Spock's Beard I don't think. Most albums that make the top 100(probably at least 70 percent) are from the seventies so there's not much to chose from and many of the more modern ones are metallish because they tend to be the most popular(ie Opeth, DT and even later PT).
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Nogbad_The_Bad
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I filtered the top 100 down to albums from 80 forward, they still don't have an album that makes it. Spocks Beards highest rated album comes in at 100 on that 80's forward top 100. I just checked the top 250 post 1980 albums and there isn't one Flower Kings album in that list. Lowest rating in top 250 is 4.09, top FK album is 4.06 and that's the latest one, the other highest rated album is 4.04.
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AFlowerKingCrimson
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Did you filter out the prog metal?
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My criteria would include influence/popularity outside of prog as well as within prog community. Quality and quantity of output would also matter, and not necessarily artists that are to my personal tastes. Should be somewhat representative of the prog from then to now.
So, in alphabetical order: Dream Theater Marillion Porcupine Tree/Steven Wilson Radiohead Talk Talk Tool |
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Nogbad_The_Bad
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I didn't filter out anyone, what would you like me to filter out? If I filter it to Canterbury, Crossover, Eclectic, Heavy, Neo, Folk, Italian & Symph after '79 then Spocks Beard come in at #42 and The Flower Kings come in at #99!
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