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TheProgtologist 
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 Posted: June 18 2005 at 18:41 |
 Garion81 wrote:
Scrambled_Eggs wrote:
I live in a small town near Allentown, Pennsylvania in the good ol' US of A. Sadly, I'm the only prog fan that I know of around the area. Oh, well. NEARfest is just 21 days away! Hooray! |
Hey! Protokaw is playing the American Music Festival in Harrisburg July 3 I think. I believe it is a free concert! I will be at Nearfest Pre Show too and BB Kings in New York July 5th. Coming all the way from California.
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Wow,Protokaw is playing a free concert in Harrisburg?I live not to far from there.I will definitely have to check it out.
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gleam
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Posted: June 18 2005 at 19:00 |
Paradox wrote:
limeyrob wrote:
Leeds, West Yorkshire. An up and coming little place with a history. |
How's the Pay-As-You-Drive scheme working? What is Leeds famous for?
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For those of us living in the states and not being familiar with Pay-as-you-drive, could you tell us what it consists of?
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Tony R
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Posted: June 18 2005 at 19:04 |
limeyrob wrote:
Sorry Paradox. You're asking the wrong person here about pay-as-you-drive. I'm a public transport user myself. But I understand it's not yet operational. We do have a lane priority for multi-occupancy cars though. Don't if sucessful. Wrong part of town for me.
Leeds is famous for lots of things. Tetley's Breweries, Leeds United (Ahem!), the only city outside London to have a Harvey Nicks and also the site of the first ever motion picture footage. Crown Point Bridge over the River Aire to be precise. In fact a very progressive city. Perhaps Neo prog. Not metal - more like stone, glass and brick
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Manchester has a Harvey Nicks too!
I think...
well it's not the kind of thing you fall out over.....however i am a Man U fan....
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Tony R
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Posted: June 18 2005 at 19:05 |
gleam wrote:
Paradox wrote:
limeyrob wrote:
Leeds, West Yorkshire. An up and coming little place with a history. |
How's the Pay-As-You-Drive scheme working? What is Leeds famous for?
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For those of us living in the states and not being familiar with Pay-as-you-drive, could you tell us what it consists of?
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Paying whilst you drive,,,,,,,,
Dont beat me again Gleamo!
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The Hemulen
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Posted: June 18 2005 at 19:06 |
Paradox wrote:
Trouserpress wrote:
New Milton. Rubbish little town in Hampshire, England. Don't go there. |
Are you in the Milton Keynes constituency? |
Nowhere near! Milton Keynes is the midlands, New Milton's on the south coast. And no, despite that it's still rubbish.
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gleam
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Posted: June 18 2005 at 19:08 |
Tony R wrote:
gleam wrote:
Paradox wrote:
limeyrob wrote:
Leeds, West Yorkshire. An up and coming little place with a history. |
How's the Pay-As-You-Drive scheme working? What is Leeds famous for?
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For those of us living in the states and not being familiar with Pay-as-you-drive, could you tell us what it consists of?
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Paying whilst you drive,,,,,,,,
Dont beat me again Gleamo!
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Very funny wise guy, seriously what's it about.
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Tony R
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Posted: June 18 2005 at 19:09 |
Trouserpress wrote:
Paradox wrote:
Trouserpress wrote:
New Milton. Rubbish little town in Hampshire, England. Don't go there. |
Are you in the Milton Keynes constituency?
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Nowhere near! Milton Keynes is the midlands, New Milton's on the south coast. And no, despite that it's still rubbish.
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better than living among the dark satanic mills.........
I'm waving from the 4th floor with the sacrificial virgin....
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Tony R
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Posted: June 18 2005 at 19:09 |
Except there are no virgins in Bolton....
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Tony R
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Posted: June 18 2005 at 19:14 |
gleam wrote:
Tony R wrote:
gleam wrote:
Paradox wrote:
limeyrob wrote:
Leeds, West Yorkshire. An up and coming little place with a history. |
How's the Pay-As-You-Drive scheme working? What is Leeds famous for?
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For those of us living in the states and not being familiar with Pay-as-you-drive, could you tell us what it consists of?
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Paying whilst you drive,,,,,,,,
Dont beat me again Gleamo!
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Very funny wise guy, seriously what's it about.
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Your car would have a "black box " fitted which would record your mileage and which kind of road you drove on...and you would be charged accordingly..
Currently we pay between £110 and £155 per year "road tax" plus an extraordinarily punitive tax on fuel. Fuel prices are so high that we pay by the litre in Britain! Average price,near me,is 80p per litre... 
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Paradox
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Posted: June 18 2005 at 19:19 |
gleam wrote:
Paradox wrote:
limeyrob wrote:
Leeds, West Yorkshire. An up and coming little place with a history. |
How's the Pay-As-You-Drive scheme working? What is Leeds famous for?
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For those of us living in the states and not being familiar with Pay-as-you-drive, could you tell us what it consists of?
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Pay-As-You-Drive is a plan being considered by the Government where you pay around £1 (about $1.80) for every mile that you drive. This will allow Fuel Tax and Vehicle Tax to be lowered. At the moment, around 40% of the cost of petrol in the UK is tax.
This is also supposed to lower congestion.
I am more happy with the status quo (yes, they're a good band ) than this proposed system, for the following reason:
To calculate the travel costs, each car would be fitted with a modified GPS system, which would send information to government departments which would figure out how far you have driven and how much you should pay.
Call me a cynic, but this is a very frightening and maddening plan. The government would always know where you are. Whenever you drive anywhere, the GPS system in the boot (or wherever) would be sending that information to a government department.
This is in violation of civil liberties, and if this plan goes ahead, i think i might just buy a motorbike.
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Paradox
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Posted: June 18 2005 at 19:19 |
You got there before me Tony R 
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gleam
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Posted: June 18 2005 at 19:26 |
Incredible! Is this a test or are there actually plans to roll this out on a national basis. Is the road tax in addition to pay tolls?
I pay $2.29 a gallon which is about 1.25 pounds. How do you pay a punitive tax on fuel? Do you mean it's already in the price.
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gleam
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Posted: June 18 2005 at 19:27 |
Thanks Paradox, I sent the previous note before reading yours.
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Tony R
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Posted: June 18 2005 at 19:29 |
gleam wrote:
Incredible! Is this a test or are there actually plans to roll this out on a national basis. Is the road tax in addition to pay tolls?
I pay $2.29 a gallon which is about 1.25 pounds. How do you pay a punitive tax on fuel? Do you mean it's already in the price.
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Yes! 83p = $1.40 (?) for a LITRE!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Paradox
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Posted: June 18 2005 at 19:29 |
At the moment the Government plans to introduce the system in a few cities, to see how it works out. Leeds is the chosen city, hence the original comment. Road Tax would still be around (i think), but it would be substantially reduced.
Fuel tax is already included with the price, thats why it is so expensive to buy at the pumps.
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gleam
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Posted: June 18 2005 at 19:30 |
Paradox wrote:
gleam wrote:
Paradox wrote:
limeyrob wrote:
Leeds, West Yorkshire. An up and coming little place with a history. |
How's the Pay-As-You-Drive scheme working? What is Leeds famous for?
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For those of us living in the states and not being familiar with Pay-as-you-drive, could you tell us what it consists of?
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Pay-As-You-Drive is a plan being considered by the Government where you pay around £1 (about $1.80) for every mile that you drive. This will allow Fuel Tax and Vehicle Tax to be lowered. At the moment, around 40% of the cost of petrol in the UK is tax.
This is also supposed to lower congestion.
I am more happy with the status quo (yes, they're a good band ) than this proposed system, for the following reason:
To calculate the travel costs, each car would be fitted with a modified GPS system, which would send information to government departments which would figure out how far you have driven and how much you should pay.
Call me a cynic, but this is a very frightening and maddening plan. The government would always know where you are. Whenever you drive anywhere, the GPS system in the boot (or wherever) would be sending that information to a government department.
This is in violation of civil liberties, and if this plan goes ahead, i think i might just buy a motorbike.
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Agreed,
I don't like the idea of my every move being recorded, specially with the purpose of sticking their hands in my pocket.
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Tony R
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Posted: June 18 2005 at 19:34 |
gleam wrote:
Paradox wrote:
gleam wrote:
Paradox wrote:
limeyrob wrote:
Leeds, West Yorkshire. An up and coming little place with a history. |
How's the Pay-As-You-Drive scheme working? What is Leeds famous for?
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For those of us living in the states and not being familiar with Pay-as-you-drive, could you tell us what it consists of?
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Pay-As-You-Drive is a plan being considered by the Government where you pay around £1 (about $1.80) for every mile that you drive. This will allow Fuel Tax and Vehicle Tax to be lowered. At the moment, around 40% of the cost of petrol in the UK is tax.
This is also supposed to lower congestion.
I am more happy with the status quo (yes, they're a good band ) than this proposed system, for the following reason:
To calculate the travel costs, each car would be fitted with a modified GPS system, which would send information to government departments which would figure out how far you have driven and how much you should pay.
Call me a cynic, but this is a very frightening and maddening plan. The government would always know where you are. Whenever you drive anywhere, the GPS system in the boot (or wherever) would be sending that information to a government department.
This is in violation of civil liberties, and if this plan goes ahead, i think i might just buy a motorbike.
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Agreed,
I don't like the idea of my every move being recorded, specially with the purpose of sticking their hands in my pocket.
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It does sound rather 1984-ish.......
You'd get charged extra for your boat and vast income
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gleam
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Posted: June 18 2005 at 19:36 |
Ok, you got me.
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Tony R
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Posted: June 18 2005 at 19:38 |
gleam wrote:
Ok, you got me.
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We love to mock the USA,but you cannot imagine how much our civil liberties get abused,every day-no matter which political party is in power.
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Garion81
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Posted: June 18 2005 at 20:18 |
Paradox wrote:
Pay-As-You-Drive is a plan being considered by the Government where you pay around £1 (about $1.80) for every mile that you drive. This will allow Fuel Tax and Vehicle Tax to be lowered. At the moment, around 40% of the cost of petrol in the UK is tax. This is also supposed to lower congestion.
I am more happy with the status quo (yes, they're a good band ) than this proposed system, for the following reason:To calculate the travel costs, each car would be fitted with a modified GPS system, which would send information to government departments which would figure out how far you have driven and how much you should pay.Call me a cynic, but this is a very frightening and maddening plan. The government would always know where you are. Whenever you drive anywhere, the GPS system in the boot (or wherever) would be sending that information to a government department.
This is in violation of civil liberties, and if this plan goes ahead, i think i might just buy a motorbike. |
OK so you pay 1 pound per mile and pay the road tax (even if lowered) and still pay this enormous amount on Fuel? Thats crazy! In the states our road taxes are part of the gasoline taxes and property taxes but My God you Brits are getting Raped!
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"What are you going to do when that damn thing rusts?"
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