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Easy Money ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: August 11 2007 Location: Memphis Status: Offline Points: 10680 |
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I think Don Easterbrook and the Heartland Institute would be about the last place to get un-biased information. They are just defenders of corporate interests and industrial pollution for short term profit (expensive clean up comes later). Defending tobacco corporations is about as low as it gets in corporate defense.
Easterbrook did not defend the tobacco tycoons, but that is the kind of work Heartland does and endorses, anything for profit. Edited by Easy Money - August 07 2019 at 09:19 |
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^ certainly can't defend anything the Heartland Institute has done. Presented his video simply as a source of info that many others also share. If i had time i'd do a better job at presenting a more thorough case study of why i've come to my conclusions. I'll save that for my own website but you are correct to bring that up because involvement in any shady institution raises red flags and dilutes the message.
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When it comes to man's pollution and its effect on the earth, you basically have two different camps:
1) politicians like trump and many others, and the corporate interests they represent, for instance oil and coal. 2) meteorologists, in other words people who were so interested in climate as a young person that they decided to make it their living and they are so competent in this endeavor that they can actually make a living at it. Its not politics that attracts people to meteorology, its an interest in how the world works. Personally I find the second group to have a lot more integrity regarding this issue. |
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what a strange thread.... I feel sorry for the Earth, the goldilocks planet, maybe the only planet with life on it (although the moon has life now the Israeli's have crash landed a load of Tardigrades there). You'd have thought in such an amazing place the inhabitants would live in peace and harmony I subscribe to Douglas Adams "B Ark" plan... but they would have to be a f**king enormous vessels to fit in the extremists, brexiteers, murderers, rapists, nationalists, racists, hairdressers, telephone sanitisers, marketing executives and all politicians.... then the Earth would be a happier place and the Tardigrades would breathe more easily
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Great! I absolutely agree! However, there's one problem: the reality of human behavior when under stress.
If your mortgage payment, children's financial future, and your personal debt/financial freedom hinged on not losing your job...how much would you prioritize stretching/obscuring/going along to get along to avoid being homeless...? Those "very vested interests" you're appealing to go both ways. Everyone loves to claim humans are selfish, but everyone conveniently forgets that goes both ways. People do insane sh*t to protect their money on both sides of the coin. I'm not asserting this is objectively happening, but to present it in a dichotomy like that and act as if one is a clearly more rational path to "truth" is, well, irrational in its own premise. |
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I'm a statistician. This puts me in the nice position to have collaborated with scientists from many fields (not climate science though). Statistics is hard, even for statisticians, and it's quite essential for science. I have seen much wrong statistics in science, and that doesn't even touch the issue of the trustworthiness of the data. One thing that I wanted to add is that science is essentially a social, collaborative and communicative endeavour. The idea that one person can get to the bottom of things on their own can't work. The amount of established scientific knowledge is huge. Ultimately we can't make all the observations and evaluations on our own. What we believe relies always to a big extent on trust. We trust some sources and informations and discard others, or we can't find anything to believe. Science is also paradoxical. On one hand science relies on critical thinking and on the rejection of dogma, but on the other hand it is impossible to get at the level of proper understanding what goes on without accepting some things that a single person can't check on their own. So science needs to encourage controversy, but there needs to be a limit in order to make it possible to move forward, find out something new, draw consequences. The human nature will always get in the way of proper science; people can make money and get famous if they claim the right things. Science is vulnerable to meddling interests and also to plain human stupidity, psychology and egoism. However, science is huge and many people contribute to it, and science has always the potential to call out a manipulator. Within science, we need to fight for this and cannot take for granted that it will happen, but I don't think a one-man-band from outside has good chances to do better. We need to listen and to encourage controversy but at the same time we will always try to build on what's already there, and it is no surprise that people who do that sometimes react dismissive to those who attemptto tear down what is seen as fundamental. I have seen my fair share of corruption and egoism in science, but usually in such cases there is dissent, and often that dissent may win or at least survive. My perception from the inside is very, very different from the idea that this is all guided by some more or less hidden world elite. Science gets things wrong, at least temporarily, but it still has some mechanisms to correct itself or at least allow pluralism until things are sorted out. By the way, I'm not an expert of Rupert Sheldrake's work, and I was probably too negative in my earlier posting. He has some very interesting stuff, and I do realise that some people try to defend their position by discrediting him, often in unfair or stupid ways. However to positively establish his morphic resonance ideas he won't succeed as a "loner against the establishment" and rightly so, because science is communicative and he needs to be convincing. He needs to get through to those who are open enough, and in science you will find them (if what you present is convincing enough). I have by the way similar experiences pointing out the weak statistical arguments behind some of the key works that were used to convince the world that homeopathy is no good. Many scientists don't like that (homeopathy is among the top belief systems to be branded "pseudoscience") and I had to deal with a good number of ignorant counterarguments, all by otherwise intelligent scientists. People would try to convince me that positive studies that I had seen either don't exist or are methodologically flawed without having read them. However, that homeopathy is criticised unfairly doesn't make it true, and you can find as much ignorance on the other side. |
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I simply don't know enough about CO2 to say what it's current and future impact is but I don't think that proposing global warming and climate change is some kind of hoax by scientists as many right wing conservatives think. I have no doubt we are affecting the planet....but how much and when will it be too late is certainly open to question. I do think we need to look hard into the matter without bias from either camp. Regarding the 'dark psychologists' , 'occult hierarchies' , and 'metaphysics', and 'cosmic moral laws'.......that is an esoteric ( 'out there') approach and one I don't think is very amenable to basic discussion...at least on an everyday level since most people are simply not up for such 'deep issues'. While such esoteric things certainly affect the human condition, depending on one's philosophy/ideology, I'm not sure in the immediate time frame it can be of help to solve the pollution issues facing us now. I think I understand what you are driving at ( I have spent some time in the past delving into various occult and metaphysics) though I suspect some would think you are falling down the rabbit hole by invoking such strange aspects. ![]() Edited by dr wu23 - August 08 2019 at 11:47 |
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(Sorry if the euphemisms seem condescending; "dark psychologist" just seemed to be ripe for nicknames)
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I'll try to keep this short since i can easily go on a tangent :) Fiendish Freuds works for me! (good 1! HI 5 ;) Climate change is related to dark psychology because the drive to keep the power differntials in place results in keeping technologies centralized so that those who have been in power can remain so. Dark psychology has to do with hypnotizing humanity to forget the cosmic laws of the universe. Natural law is the universal, non-humanmade, binding and immutable conditions that govern the consequences of behavior. Natural law is a body of universal spiritual laws which act as the governing dynmaics of consciousness. Historically those who have held the secrets of spirtual laws have kept them from the masses in order to give them a power differntial over the majority of humanity and have used these to reign with impugnity. The methods of centralized power control are the polluting forces of the planet that are destroying it. All solutions such as free energy and the like have been invented long ago therefore science is not the issue at hand. It is the power differential that disallows greener technologies from being implemented. These power differentials result from one side, the elite, believing they are superior and sent here to control us, therefore disillusion and greed are the driving forces of consciousness (thus dark or evil or service to self) The other side of the equation is the majority of humans that buy into the systems of control ie. governments, corporations etc that have been calling the shots. This results from a sense of inferiiority. The dark psychologists are masters of wielding these mind games and creating "daddy" issues for the masses who need to look to a higher power to survive because the majority lacks the vital knowledge of these univeresal principles. It is therefore imperitive for the survival of the planet for the masses to understand the occult laws and principles that have been kept from them in order to balance out the power differential into one that is an even playing field and only then can we implement the more sustainable ways of living on this planet. In short, climate change and other environmental issues are a SYMPTOM of this psychological and spiritual war that is coming to a final showdown therefore the solution is to de-occult the world so that the masses can take back their power which will result in a restructuring of all systems. I apologize if my years of research condensed into short rants doesn't resonate. It's not exactly easy to condense a wealth of connecting the dots into a few blurbs. Hopefully i gave you somewhat of a clue where i'm coming from. This is why i don't chime in too often on topics like this but it is becoming more essential than ever that humanity breaks free from the clutches of those who have steered us for waaaaaay too long. |
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^^ btw natural law can be an ambiguous term. In the true sense it means respecting free will and the rights of others. Rights are actions that do no harm to other sentient beings. It can all be boiled down to a single commandment. DO NOT STEAL. Do not steal another's life (kill), another's security (rape or trespassing), another's property (theft), etc. This furthermore connotates a universal cause and effect known as the wheel of karma however it is very prevelent that those who allow themselves to be controlled are also using their freewill in this case to avoid responsbility but are still karmically responsible for the actions they carry out whether they understand it or not much the same as if you jump over a cliff that the laws of grivity will dictate your fate regardless of belief, intent etc
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I'm with you on a lot of this just PLEASE TELL ME YOU ARE NOT FOLLOWING MARK PASSIO ON YOUTUBE.
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Sorry but "hypnotising humanity" does not apply to those allowing themselves to be controlled (unless you intended to mean unconsciously allowing themselves to be controlled.) Would you please explain this incongruence? . Edited by Tillerman88 - August 10 2019 at 03:55 |
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[/QUOTE] I'm with you on a lot of this just PLEASE TELL ME YOU ARE NOT FOLLOWING MARK PASSIO ON YOUTUBE. [/QUOTE]
I do keep up with Mark. I don't buy into every aspect of his philosphy. He's far too 3D for my tastes but nevertheless he is a gifted orator who does do a lot of the info he espouses justice. Keep in mind what he's saying is nothing new under the sun, he's simply recycling mystery school teachings of which i've studied myself. To be honest, i came to many of the same conclusions before ever coming across Passio's works. I have been following countless dozens of spirtual teachers, whistleblowers, esoteric scientists, mainstream figures etc for years. Passio has made me question a lot of my own assumptions but i question many of his as well. One of the things i dislike about him is his contempt of anyone questioning some of his philosophies particularly when it comes to things like violent revolution and the likes. Don't write the dude off by all means. His teachings perfectly line up with many others of the same. Not sure how much you check him out but i've viewed probably most of his output but like i said he's just one person i follow and i never agree with anyone in total. Having said that, the natural law principles are probably his best contribution for teaching human morality that i've come across. It doesn't matter if you approach it from the Chrisitan point of view, Hinduism, The Law of One: Ra or any other esoteric texts. It all points to the same golden rules. I do like how he's broken it down for easier digestion for the masses. Also i share his affinity with true anarchy, a term very few actually understand. Also as a ten year priest of the Church of Satn, Passio offers a perspective of the dark underworld that few have experienced. When compared to others such as multigenerational Satanic ritual abuse victims like Jay Parker, Cathy O'brien and many others, there's a lot of common ground. When someone refers to the "illuminati" or the cabal that rules the world, they are really talking about a cult. This cult has a belief system that worships Lucifer. There are literally countless out there who have narrated similar tales even deeper in this cult than Passio himself so not sure why you find his works so out of the ordinary.
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Certainly does. You don't think hypnotism can't be voluntary? For anything to work in the universe, EVERYTHING must be voluntary. That seems to be one of the tenets of cosmic law. Hollywood and the entertainment business is the perfect example. They put out a product to distract the masses from what's really going on and further studies into the esoteric wisdom that isn't really occulted at all but rather just difficult to learn. The way it is all framed is to point the immature into the system of control where the power differentials reign with impugnity. You could look at it as "unconsciously" but at a higher level of what is YOU, there is a form of consent even if your conscious mind doesn't understand it. This is a form of dark psychology. Creating a rift between the higher self and the individual.
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It’s a strange world. The laws of physics seem to be inviolable but not so much the laws of probability.
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How exactly does climate change keep technologies centralized? It seems to me with solar and wind power and alternative building methods it's doing just the opposite. P.S.: As for the rest of the mystical new age stuff, I don't wish to engage. |
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That, my friend, has to do with the patenting process. Anything over a certain efficiency rate is immediately classified as a threat to "national security." Eschewing the spiritual aspects of reality there is much to be gleaned from just legal mumbo jumbo and whistle-blower testimonies. For example in the USA the system bifurcated with the Act of 1871 which effectively created a united States corporation that has taken over through sophisticated contractual agreements. Add to that, the nation went bankrupt in 1933 and has existed under declarations of emergency ever since which means the constitution of the republic has been suspended ever since. That's why whenever an inventor actually creates something that will save the environment that it immediately gets pushed out of the news and disappears. Sorry to say that solar and wind under the system we now have will not save us. |
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No new technology needed. It doesn't take much energy to heat or cool a straw bale house, for instance. I do have a problem with Capitalist inertia that fails to promote such alternatives, but I regard this as an invisible hand problem, not a top down conspiratorial thing. There is a problem, as always, getting good (sometimes old) ideas to market. The problem is subject to the traditions and expertise of laborers in the building industry, building codes, and marketing of alternatives. |
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You have to look at a bigger picture to understand where i'm coming from. No new technology needed correct because free energy, anti-gravity devises and much more already exist only limited to the military industrial complex. You need to understand what the word "conspiracy" means better. Take some time and look it up. The main problems are 1) the monetary system which is a can of worms beyond the scope of this conversation and 2) back to psychology. Many humans demand more resources than they need to survive or fulfill their happiness. This is because higher spiritual knowledge has been kept from them which makes them feel cut off from the universe. We need to get the balance back. I won't even get into the rebalancing of the sacred feminine or the right / left brain imbalances that the elites keep from us. Remember that this is a war against psychopaths. Genius ones. To understand anything i've typed in this whole thread, you have to understand the thought process of a psychopath. Think of why Harry Potter and his friends took Snapes' dark arts class. Not to become a Satanist but to learn the ways for self-defense. We're facing a similar battle.
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