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I think you misunderstand the emoticons too, but that's a trivial issue.
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I didn't. I asked you to clarify. And you did. Can we move on now?

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Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

Originally posted by Easy Money Easy Money wrote:

I think you misunderstand the emoticons too, but that's a trivial issue.
If you did not want my help, why did you ask for it?


I didn't. I asked you to clarify. And you did. Can we move on now?
Asking for clarification is asking for help in understanding.
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The problem with all this 'science is a scam' stuff is that these scientists did nothing but professionally analyze publicly known data, and you could do exactly the same work and check their figures if you want to and think you are able too in a reliable way. Or do you not trust the thermometers used?
 

It is not hard to trust the thermometers more than their users. Even in our little country where the professionally analyzed data are being manipulated when they are inconvenient or not usable to impose a doctrine. The temperatures in De Bilt, from 1 January 1901 to 31 August 1951, have been "homogenized" with a difference up to 2 degrees or so in summertime. This is total crap, there were no reasons to believe that the circumstances changed on 1 September 1951 according to the metadata. It is said that the data used for the Paris Agreement have also been adjusted to fit the needs of the political agenda.

Opportunistic pseudo-science is widely practised these days.
Searching Google Scholar I found this paper and it's basically as I figured: https://rivm.openrepository.com/bitstream/handle/10029/260788/550002007.pdf?sequence=3&isAllowed=y">https://rivm.openrepository.com/bitstream/handle/10029/260788/550002007.pdf?sequence=3&isAllowed=y
The thermometer was relocated in 1951 and new extra climate measuring tools were added to correct for very local deviances and make the temperature measurements more representative of the average temperature of the air in the whole region, and thus more valuable and useful. The older data were then corrected with the average deviation they found from the pure temp measurements in these new combined data, knowing from other sources that those climatalocal factors had been constant. This way the correction makes the older data less detailed than the newer but it does make the trend over these two data sets combined way more reliable. Also, they've been doing this since well before climate change was a popular issue.
 

Modifying data according to trends is nothing but data manipulation and, as far as I am aware of, measured data are always preferrable over manipulated data. I don't care for cover stories in which political agendas are wrapped, and even less when the source does not burp up a message about this relocation on the day mentioned.  The thermometer was relocated on 17 May 1950 and replaced by some more electronic stuff on 29 June 1961 and on 26 March 1993. On 25 September 2008, some instruments have been relocated 200 m.
Nothing happened on 1 September 1951, but before this date, the temperatures have been gretelthunberged and afterwards, they have been left intact suddenly. Not exactly what I'd call a trend. The temperature measurement modifications lack any scientific substance and therefore should be discarded as poppycock. These manipulations popped up instantly, some four, maybe five years ago when a certain Charlie Charlatan, or whatever his name is, became dr. Charlie Charlatan. Here are the metadata I referred to.

As an encore, I give the details of a weather history page I made, for 27 June 1947, until a week and a bit more ago the highest max temperature in De Bilt .
For non-Dutch speakers: gemeten = measured, gemiddeld = average, waarden = values.

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Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

The CO2 aspect of climate change is a TOTAL SCAM! Media saturation to propogate elite agendas to create a new world order. Watch this Washington state hearing in the Senate by Dr Don Easterbrook. Scientific data is useless unless you understand a) who's funding it b) the long term agenda c) the critieria for its relevance

If you have a long enough attention span to watch this hour and a half video check it out. Scroll to the bottom of this site.


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Oh, and part 3...
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^ i've definately come across those before but i just watched all three in order to refresh my memory. 

First of all whoever is claiming to be Dr Keith Strong doesn't have any credidentials to examine which would allow someone to judge their credibility of being able to talk on the subject at hand. There are no references as to who funded the videos, who provided the info, data etc.

Easterbrook on the other hand is quite well known and has no problem putting his reputation and his own name on the line: 

About Don Easterbrook

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Dr. Easterbrook received BS, MS, and PhD degrees in geology from the University of Washington and taught for 40 years at Western Washington University where he has conducted research on ancient and recent global climate change in western North America, New Zealand, Argentina, and various other parts of the world.

He has written a dozen books,185 papers in professional journals, and has presented 30 research papers at international meetings in over 12 countries. In the past decade, he has published five books and 35 peer–reviewed papers in professional scientific journals.

Dr. Easterbrook's professional service includes chairman of the 1977 national meeting of the Geological Society of America (GSA); president of the Quaternary Geology and Geomorphology Division of GSA; Associate Editor of the GSA Bulletin for 15 years; U.S. representative to the UN International Geological Correlation Program; and Director of Field Excursions for the 2003 International Quaternary Congress.

He has received awards for ‘Distinguished service to the Geological Society of America’, ‘Lifetime Achievement Award’, and Honorable mention by the American Men of Science as one of “The Most Influential Scientists in North America.” He has been featured in articles on climate change in the New York Times, and has appeared on national networks shows at MSNBC, CNN, CBS and FOX.

Dr. Easterbrook's research activities related to climate change include causes of climate change, correlation of glacial fluctuations, the Pacific Decadal Oscillation, climate, and solar variation, temp changes using oxygen isotope data from the Greenland ice core, effect of CO2 on climate change, and geologic history of climate changes.



Here are several more videos of his debates on climate science so that one was by no means an anomoly.

I honestly don't understand why this page shows up correctly in the preview page but simply goes to another. Copy and paste into a browser to get the actual page. Sleepy

Keep in mind that video was limited to CO2. There is no doubt that there are many other threats to the environment. 

 I could go on ad infinitum about these topics but many things dude rebutted (and he is far from the only one who has tried) were mixing apples and oranges. 

Two things are almost certain: 1) No one really knows for sure as to what is going on in absolute detail. Our records are pitifully clumsy and our time on this planet is a blip on the radar of history. 2) there are many factors to all the changes and focusing on CO2 is to ignore the others.

There are many scientists who believe the melting of the Arctic and Antarctic are due to volcanic activities.

There is much evidence that it is the sun and other external sources given that the entire solar system is undergoing similar changes. That does not mean humans aren't playing an impact of course. It just means we don't know exactly how much. These issues seem to be more emotionally driven than based on logic and careful interpretation of what data does exist.

And you can totally go elsewhere. Yes humans are causes changes but not all of us. The military and industrial complexes are the ones to blame for human caused changes as they manipualte the weather patterns of the world for political reasons. Without getting into the motivations (which you can learn about through whistleblowers like John Perkins who wrote the excellent "Confessions of an Economic Hitman," you can simply look at the many weather modification patents that have been accruing for decades and come to your own conclusions. Sure they just go to the trouble to invent these things for no reason! Suuuuuuure!


In the end, nobody including Easterbrook has all the answers. The complete dismissal or complete acceptance of any one culprit would be a mistake IMHO. It's all about finding an equilibirum that allows the biosphere to exist without a propensity of instability. However this has been and always will be a volatile planet with many aspects of the multi-dimensional universe that will elude our limited perceptions and with that in mind we must simply adapt to the forces that dictate our reality. 


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^Here is Keith Strong's credentials:

The source of these videos is Keith Strong's own YouTube channel:

But since we're talking about credentials, doesn't Easterbook's association with the Heartland Institute set off red flags in your head? It sure does in mine.

Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

I could go on ad infinitum about these topics but many things dude rebutted (and he is far from the only one who has tried) were mixing apples and oranges. 

Is it apples and oranges when Strong shows clearly that Easterbrook is cherry-picking data in his graphs? It's curious how so many of them stopped in 1998. Several times Strong shows graphs over a longer period of time that show the exact opposite of what Easterbrook claims.

This was the guy who predicted global cooling was just around the corner. 18 years ago!

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There is much evidence that it is the sun and other external sources given that the entire solar system is undergoing similar changes.

I think this explanation from NASA is pretty straightforward that it isn't the sun. Further, we should be in a cooling period based on current sunspot activity. Instead the warming trend continues.


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There are many scientists who believe the melting of the Arctic and Antarctic are due to volcanic activities.

That's not what that article says.

Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

In the end, nobody including Easterbrook has all the answers. The complete dismissal or complete acceptance of any one culprit would be a mistake IMHO. It's all about finding an equilibirum that allows the biosphere to exist without a propensity of instability. However this has been and always will be a volatile planet with many aspects of the multi-dimensional universe that will elude our limited perceptions and with that in mind we must simply adapt to the forces that dictate our reality.

I'm mostly in agreement on general terms here. However, the body of evidence on anthropogenic climate change seems pretty solid to me. It's enough in my view to warrant doing something about it now before it gets much worse.
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Re Easterbrook's Heartland Institute, they seem to be regressive on other issues as well:

In the 1990s, the Heartland Institute worked with the tobacco company Philip Morris to attempt to discredit the health risks of secondhand smoke and to lobby against smoking bans.[
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Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

The whole climate change issue has become nothing more than a profit driven carbon based money making scheme. I've met my share of souless millionaires who are playing this game. If one is to actually delve into the research it becomes apparent quite quickly that it's all a sham. Not that the climate is changing but how it is being sold to us, the public.


The truth is, there's big money on either side... Living in Oil Country, I see a lot of money going into the pushing the other side too. Thing is, I notice around here people on the anti-pollution side (there is more than just CO2 going in the air, so lets not dwell on that silly argument) tend to cite academic papers, while the pro-oil side tends to cite web pages that aren't so academic, and usually have a message on the bottom like "this information collected by [oil company]"... Hmmm...

Let's face it, we're in a capitalistic society where time=money. If people can't find a way to make money off of something, they won't invest their time into it. If people are making the world a better place because they can make money off of it, we should applaud the system for working, rather than criticizing the people. It's better than people getting rich through human trafficking.
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^Here is Keith Strong's credentials:

The source of these videos is Keith Strong's own YouTube channel:

I'll certainly check into more of his claims but those videos didn't convince me. Merely refuting without giving sources doesn't resonate with me.

But since we're talking about credentials, doesn't Easterbook's association with the Heartland Institute set off red flags in your head? It sure does in mine.

Everything registers red flags in my world. It's just another consideration but not necessarily a creditential breaker. No organization is pure. I'm sure there have been mistsakes made but his associations extend far beyond that one institution. Organisations are fluid entities with different members carrying out different agendas.

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I could go on ad infinitum about these topics but many things dude rebutted (and he is far from the only one who has tried) were mixing apples and oranges. 

Is it apples and oranges when Strong shows clearly that Easterbrook is cherry-picking data in his graphs? It's curious how so many of them stopped in 1998. Several times Strong shows graphs over a longer period of time that show the exact opposite of what Easterbrook claims.

This was the guy who predicted global cooling was just around the corner. 18 years ago!

I don't think he clearly pointed out anything. Showing graphs and talking isn't citing sources, getting into the rational behind the conclusions. Easterbrook's conclusions can be explored further whereas this guy's can't be just by these videos anyways.

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There is much evidence that it is the sun and other external sources given that the entire solar system is undergoing similar changes.

I think this explanation from NASA is pretty straightforward that it isn't the sun. Further, we should be in a cooling period based on current sunspot activity. Instead the warming trend continues.


NASA seems to be a source that is utterly untrustable. I'm not going to get into the reasons why because i don't want to spend a lot of time. NASA for example has been forced to admit that it has been using climate manipualtion by spraying aluminum, lithium and barium into the atmosphere after lying about it for years. There are many other reasons i find NASA to be nothing more than a shill for other black budget projects.


Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

There are many scientists who believe the melting of the Arctic and Antarctic are due to volcanic activities.

That's not what that article says.

Actually it does if you follow some of the links. Not the best article for the claim but offers a glimpse into the realities of vulcanism. I don't have time to create a UN styled presentation here so admittedly not presenting you with the best of the best.

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In the end, nobody including Easterbrook has all the answers. The complete dismissal or complete acceptance of any one culprit would be a mistake IMHO. It's all about finding an equilibirum that allows the biosphere to exist without a propensity of instability. However this has been and always will be a volatile planet with many aspects of the multi-dimensional universe that will elude our limited perceptions and with that in mind we must simply adapt to the forces that dictate our reality.

I'm mostly in agreement on general terms here. However, the body of evidence on anthropogenic climate change seems pretty solid to me. It's enough in my view to warrant doing something about it now before it gets much worse.

Here's where i disagree but in the terms where anthropogenic change is the culprit, it's not as black and white as we'd like. As individuals we do not have true democratic input into the decisions of how energy is produced, how the military and industrial complexes chose to carry out the need for total energetic spectrum domination nor do we have any input into the weather modification technolgies used against us. Have you ever delved into the projected goals of such documents as United Nations Agenda 21 and 30?  You'd be shocked to learn that much of what is happening has been purposefully administrated as to usher in a new world order that maintains the power of the 1%. So in other words, using words like anthropogenic distributes the blame of these crimes against humanity amongst all of humanity instead of focusing the blame on those who actually make the decisions and take the initiative to alter the world's biosphere for their own purposes. 

Remember that all the solutions have been created long ago. An in depth analysis of just what the great Nikola Tesla invented already in the 1800s will reveal many technologies that have in effect been steered in a more sinister direction and used against the world's population for various agendas that aren't in your or my best interest. This is all a rabbithole that will take you in many directions. Luckily i structure my existence in a way that i study these things in depth on a daily basis and even if i'm not successful in convincing you or any others, i've certainly been convinced myself by many of the claims i've made. I'm not here to convince you of anything. I'm just adding my 2 cents worth to let you and others know that there are those of us who don't buy into the popular paradigms. I have no agenda other than going where the research leads me. No finanical interests, no political aspirations etc. I'm looking for solutions and that has taken me into the world of the occult, political corruption and dark psychology.

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Originally posted by ForestFriend ForestFriend wrote:

Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

The whole climate change issue has become nothing more than a profit driven carbon based money making scheme. I've met my share of souless millionaires who are playing this game. If one is to actually delve into the research it becomes apparent quite quickly that it's all a sham. Not that the climate is changing but how it is being sold to us, the public.


The truth is, there's big money on either side... Living in Oil Country, I see a lot of money going into the pushing the other side too. Thing is, I notice around here people on the anti-pollution side (there is more than just CO2 going in the air, so lets not dwell on that silly argument) tend to cite academic papers, while the pro-oil side tends to cite web pages that aren't so academic, and usually have a message on the bottom like "this information collected by [oil company]"... Hmmm...

Let's face it, we're in a capitalistic society where time=money. If people can't find a way to make money off of something, they won't invest their time into it. If people are making the world a better place because they can make money off of it, we should applaud the system for working, rather than criticizing the people. It's better than people getting rich through human trafficking.

Totally agree with all of this which is why individuals like me who are merely investigative sleuths are quite rare. I have no interest in any particular outcome. I just want to know the truth insofaras it can be known. 

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To quote the Vorlons from Babylon 5..." Understanding is a three edged sword: your side, their side, and the truth.'"

I suspect that the truth isn't completely on one side at all but more in the middle somewhere.
But regarding 'climate change', I find it very hard to think that humans are not affecting the climate and atmosphere on earth since the beginning of the Industrial Age. We have been pouring garbage into the air and water and on the earth itself for at least 200 years...we certainly must have affected some patterns and environmental aspects by now. Whether or not it's causing the level of change some think it must be causing more than what the naysayers think.
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Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

To quote the Vorlons from Babylon 5..." Understanding is a three edged sword: your side, their side, and the truth.'"

I suspect that the truth isn't completely on one side at all but more in the middle somewhere.
But regarding 'climate change', I find it very hard to think that humans are not affecting the climate and atmosphere on earth since the beginning of the Industrial Age. We have been pouring garbage into the air and water and on the earth itself for at least 200 years...we certainly must have affected some patterns and environmental aspects by now. Whether or not it's causing the level of change some think it must be causing more than what the naysayers think.

Well put. Keep in mind i've only been debunking CO2 as the culprit behind the changes. The reason i feel this is important is because it takes the focus off the things that REALLY ARE doing the most damage to the Earth's biosphere. Humans are definately causing the sixth mass extinction. Without a doubt. However if we want to solve these problems we need to focus less on recycling and fictitious schemes such as a new green deals through the likes of the governments of the world and rather learn how dark psychologists have tricked we the people of the earth into giving consent to our indentured servitude. This requires leaning natural or cosmic laws that govern morality much like physics dictates the laws of gravity, electromagnetism etc. The occult hierarchies have known these principles for millennia and have chosen to use them to dumb us down into slaves. It is impossible to delve into TRUE solutions of envirnomental destruction without tackling these more personal metaphysical principles therefore envirnomental destruction is a symptom of collective aggregate cosmic moral laws being ignored. 

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My main point?   I don't believe Politicians can solve Global Warming by taxing workers for trillions of dollars.

  Is there anyone who believes politicians can solve Global Warming?  Do you believe politicians will become filthy rich handling trillions of CO2 tax dollars?    


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I understand there are various opinions for (or against) global climate change, but please discuss it with respect for others. Thanks a lot.
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Originally posted by omphaloskepsis omphaloskepsis wrote:

My main point?   I don't believe Politicians can solve Global Warming by taxing workers for trillions of dollars.

  Is there anyone who believes politicians can solve Global Warming?  Do you believe politicians will become filthy rich handling trillions of CO2 tax dollars?    
 

I'd say Nee to that (Neen has become a bit old-fashioned lately). I think the whole CO2 scam is based on the fact that the surface temperature of Venus with its carbon dioxide atmosphere is about 480°C. But Venus is a bit closer to the sun and its atmosphere has a pressure of 90 bar at surface level.



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Originally posted by progaardvark progaardvark wrote:

^Here is Keith Strong's credentials:

The source of these videos is Keith Strong's own YouTube channel:

I'll certainly check into more of his claims but those videos didn't convince me. Merely refuting without giving sources doesn't resonate with me.

OK, point taken. Where are Easterbrook's graphs taken from? Point to me where in the peer-reviewed literature he obtained these from. He provides no references to any articles in his presentation and gives no sources as to where his graphs are from.

But since we're talking about credentials, doesn't Easterbook's association with the Heartland Institute set off red flags in your head? It sure does in mine.

Everything registers red flags in my world. It's just another consideration but not necessarily a creditential breaker. No organization is pure. I'm sure there have been mistsakes made but his associations extend far beyond that one institution. Organisations are fluid entities with different members carrying out different agendas.

Does it matter that the Heartland Institute received a good chunk of it's funding from the fossil fuel industry? I don't know, it bothers me.

Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

I could go on ad infinitum about these topics but many things dude rebutted (and he is far from the only one who has tried) were mixing apples and oranges. 

Is it apples and oranges when Strong shows clearly that Easterbrook is cherry-picking data in his graphs? It's curious how so many of them stopped in 1998. Several times Strong shows graphs over a longer period of time that show the exact opposite of what Easterbrook claims.

This was the guy who predicted global cooling was just around the corner. 18 years ago!

I don't think he clearly pointed out anything. Showing graphs and talking isn't citing sources, getting into the rational behind the conclusions. Easterbrook's conclusions can be explored further whereas this guy's can't be just by these videos anyways.

I don't recall seeing Easterbrook cite any sources in his presentation. Easterbrook did the same thing. He showed graphs and talked. I will agree that Easterbook's conclusions can be explored further because there are plenty of debunking sites that show he is wrong.

Let me add one more thing. I did look over Eastbrook's full publication list. I DON"T DOUBT that he's an expert in geology (particularly of the Pacific Northwest) and will leave it at that. 

Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

There is much evidence that it is the sun and other external sources given that the entire solar system is undergoing similar changes.

I think this explanation from NASA is pretty straightforward that it isn't the sun. Further, we should be in a cooling period based on current sunspot activity. Instead the warming trend continues.


NASA seems to be a source that is utterly untrustable. I'm not going to get into the reasons why because i don't want to spend a lot of time. NASA for example has been forced to admit that it has been using climate manipualtion by spraying aluminum, lithium and barium into the atmosphere after lying about it for years. There are many other reasons i find NASA to be nothing more than a shill for other black budget projects.


Fortunately, NASA provides a handy FAQ covering this topic:


If you're going to make claims that NASA is "utterly untrustable," then you need to back that up with peer-reviewed literature. But OK, I understand you don't want to get into why you think that. It would be another really long topic that would take a lot of time to write on your part and digest on my part.

Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

There are many scientists who believe the melting of the Arctic and Antarctic are due to volcanic activities.

That's not what that article says.

Actually it does if you follow some of the links. Not the best article for the claim but offers a glimpse into the realities of vulcanism. I don't have time to create a UN styled presentation here so admittedly not presenting you with the best of the best.

I did look at the links, and they don't make that claim. The article only states "What’s worrying is that volcanic activity could have a major compounding effect on Antarctica's already diminishing ice." It doesn't say that the volcanoes are causing ice melt. In the future they might.

Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

In the end, nobody including Easterbrook has all the answers. The complete dismissal or complete acceptance of any one culprit would be a mistake IMHO. It's all about finding an equilibirum that allows the biosphere to exist without a propensity of instability. However this has been and always will be a volatile planet with many aspects of the multi-dimensional universe that will elude our limited perceptions and with that in mind we must simply adapt to the forces that dictate our reality.

I'm mostly in agreement on general terms here. However, the body of evidence on anthropogenic climate change seems pretty solid to me. It's enough in my view to warrant doing something about it now before it gets much worse.

Here's where i disagree but in the terms where anthropogenic change is the culprit, it's not as black and white as we'd like. As individuals we do not have true democratic input into the decisions of how energy is produced, how the military and industrial complexes chose to carry out the need for total energetic spectrum domination nor do we have any input into the weather modification technolgies used against us. Have you ever delved into the projected goals of such documents as United Nations Agenda 21 and 30?  You'd be shocked to learn that much of what is happening has been purposefully administrated as to usher in a new world order that maintains the power of the 1%. So in other words, using words like anthropogenic distributes the blame of these crimes against humanity amongst all of humanity instead of focusing the blame on those who actually make the decisions and take the initiative to alter the world's biosphere for their own purposes. 

Remember that all the solutions have been created long ago. An in depth analysis of just what the great Nikola Tesla invented already in the 1800s will reveal many technologies that have in effect been steered in a more sinister direction and used against the world's population for various agendas that aren't in your or my best interest. This is all a rabbithole that will take you in many directions. Luckily i structure my existence in a way that i study these things in depth on a daily basis and even if i'm not successful in convincing you or any others, i've certainly been convinced myself by many of the claims i've made. I'm not here to convince you of anything. I'm just adding my 2 cents worth to let you and others know that there are those of us who don't buy into the popular paradigms. I have no agenda other than going where the research leads me. No finanical interests, no political aspirations etc. I'm looking for solutions and that has taken me into the world of the occult, political corruption and dark psychology.

The only comment I will say about this response is that it is beyond the scope of this topic (at least for me). I simply do not have the time to follow you down into your rabbit hole to make out heads or tales of what any of these two paragraphs are supposed to mean. 

I will agree the so-called 1% have a good deal of power in the world and have lined the pockets of many politicians. As to their influence in science, it would seem they are more interested in funding disinformation think tanks that tend to support climate change denialist claims than what the science shows. At least that's what it seems like to me.

Anyhow, you could start another thread on the themes of those two paragraphs and I will gladly read them, but I doubt I would participate much as it is a bit "out of my bailiwick." My bailiwicks are in library metadata and gibberish.
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China emits more C02 than America and EU combined.   How would increasing American's CO2 taxes stop China from emitting CO2?   Remember, China gives millions to democrat and republican members of congress.   

https://www.forbes.com/sites/rrapier/2018/07/01/china-emits-more-carbon-dioxide-than-the-u-s-and-eu-combined/#52f1c1ec628c   
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^ unfortunately you have to explore past the scant links and videos i presented to come to these conclusions. That video by Easterbrook was a public hearing not designed to really be on the internet. It would be nice if someone made a comprehensive comparison between the different claims with all the data cited and how it was obtained. 

Personally i don't "believe" anything per se, i simply operate under a spectrum of probabilities and those change as new verifiable data is presented and then there's always doubt in if it's accurate or tainted or whatever.

It may seem i have overcomplicated this but dealing with Earth sciences is very much like dealing with a human being. Everything is connected. The nervous system and the endocrine system work in tandem. Same with the climate, geology and other subtle planetary functions that we haven't even named yet. Unfortunately these rabbitholes take you into the world of metaphysics since the driving force of anthropogenic changes is clearly based in psychology.

To understand NASA you have to listen to whistleblowers who have spilled the beans about the black budget projects and that is beyond the scope of this thread. I plan on compiling all this info on my own website so no need to get too deep here however as it stands now i'm just not convinced that CO2 is the major culprit in planetary climate change at least not at the dangerous levels it is purported to be and for sure there are NO POLITICIANS who will solve this. Government is slavery.

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