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All right, yeah, good point, I’m not a huge Yes fan either. Never cared much for Jon Anderson’s voice. But I am a huge Pink Floyd fan. 

As much as I hate to say it Yes has limited appeal outside of prog circles. Even in prog circles there's many fans who don't like them often for the reason you stated. I think it's part of the reason why Pink Floyd has sold way, way more albums than Yes and your average teenager knows PF very well but has maybe only heard OF Yes if he or she is lucky(although I suppose unlucky in some peoples opinion obviously). Anyway, it's all good. No one can like everything. I'm sure there's someone out there who doesn't care much for Pink Floyd too. Lol.
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echolyn's solid neo and one of the bands i'm most familiar with. that being said, they have a lot of hit or miss tracks for me, like many other artists
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Originally posted by Howard the Duck Howard the Duck wrote:

echolyn's solid neo and one of the bands i'm most familiar with. that being said, they have a lot of hit or miss tracks for me, like many other artists

This is the first time I ever heard anyone describe echolyn as neo. They aren't even listed as neo on here. Echolyn's music is often very song oriented but other than that similarity I hear nothing in their music that would indicate they are part of that subgenre. I actually think Spock's Beard and the FLower Kings are closer to neo but they aren't in that category either.
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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by Howard the Duck Howard the Duck wrote:

echolyn's solid neo and one of the bands i'm most familiar with. that being said, they have a lot of hit or miss tracks for me, like many other artists

This is the first time I ever heard anyone describe echolyn as neo. They aren't even listed as neo on here. Echolyn's music is often very song oriented but other than that similarity I hear nothing in their music that would indicate they are part of that subgenre. I actually think Spock's Beard and the FLower Kings are closer to neo but they aren't in that category either.

meh I'm just going by the fact that they were formed in the 90s


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Originally posted by Howard the Duck Howard the Duck wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by Howard the Duck Howard the Duck wrote:

echolyn's solid neo and one of the bands i'm most familiar with. that being said, they have a lot of hit or miss tracks for me, like many other artists

This is the first time I ever heard anyone describe echolyn as neo. They aren't even listed as neo on here. Echolyn's music is often very song oriented but other than that similarity I hear nothing in their music that would indicate they are part of that subgenre. I actually think Spock's Beard and the FLower Kings are closer to neo but they aren't in that category either.

meh I'm just going by the fact that they were formed in the 90s

They were formed in 1989 actually out of the ashes of a band called Narcissus but their first album was in 1991. Not to sound like a know it all but I've been a fan for a long time and even interviewed them once.  

People used to use the term neo to mean any post seventies prog band but I actually haven't heard that term used in that way in quite a while.

Here's a little story though. About ten years ago(approximately) I went to see Steve Howe play in Philadelphia. After the show a guy who was a promoter for echolyn was passing out flyers for an upcoming echolyn show saying "echolyn prog rock....echolyn....prog rock." Some guy exiting the show(Steve Howe from Yes show)says to him "prog rock is that like Marillion?" Hello???? What did he think Yes was classic rock? Duh. Anyway, I ducked into the bathroom right then otherwise I would have set the guy straight. Unfortunately, the guy handing out the flyer wasn't much better because his response was "yeah, I think so."




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Not neo-prog but, Riverside reminds me of Pink Floyd.   
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Jadis is a great band you should check out if you're interested in Neo-Prog, but you also listen to Yes! Embarrassed

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Originally posted by King of Loss King of Loss wrote:

Jadis is a great band you should check out if you're interested in Neo-Prog, but you also listen to Yes! Embarrassed
 

Jadis is an excellent suggestion. They are much more in the vein of what he is looking for and I wouldn't connect them to Yes at all.

I would also suggest Dave Kerzner and the band In Continuum for a Floyd like experience. Kerzner is obviously a massive Floyd fan.

Mostly Autumn have presumably been mentioned but I would second or third them as well.


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When I was younger I had a soft spot for neo-prog and long atmospherical poprock-ish modern prog.

Here's my fifty cents:

- Moonrise (Polish, very Pink Floydish)
- Quidam (Polish, jazzy, almost Camel-ish)
- Sylvan (German, more modern rock than prog)
- Casino (British, features members of Arena, Twelfth Night, Threshold)
- Strangers on a Train
- Ywis
- Raven Sad (Italian, very, very Pink Floydish)
- Marathon (Dutch, sounds like a mixture of Marillion, Rush and Saga)
- It Bites (80's version with Dunnery is more pop-rock with lite-fusion elements, newer version I don't know anything about)
- Blind Ego (sideproject of RPWL-guitarist, features former Arena-members and more)

I stopped listening to Neo-prog, because eventually I found out that it was too sombre, to depressing (lyrical) and it lacks soul and groove (at least, according to me).
But there are a few Marillion/Pink Floyd-inspired bands out there, who are very nice indeed.
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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by Howard the Duck Howard the Duck wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by Howard the Duck Howard the Duck wrote:

echolyn's solid neo and one of the bands i'm most familiar with. that being said, they have a lot of hit or miss tracks for me, like many other artists

This is the first time I ever heard anyone describe echolyn as neo. They aren't even listed as neo on here. Echolyn's music is often very song oriented but other than that similarity I hear nothing in their music that would indicate they are part of that subgenre. I actually think Spock's Beard and the FLower Kings are closer to neo but they aren't in that category either.

meh I'm just going by the fact that they were formed in the 90s

They were formed in 1989 actually out of the ashes of a band called Narcissus but their first album was in 1991. Not to sound like a know it all but I've been a fan for a long time and even interviewed them once. 


Yeah I realized after that some of the demos on "A Little Nonsense" are from 89 - just meant their first official release was in the 90s.

Do you have a link to your interview? I'd be interested to read it!


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Some fabulous suggestions that I’m working through. Hats off to the person who mentioned Raven Sad. I ran into them a year or so ago and like them quite a bit. Mostly Autumn I tried hard to get into a little while back. Ultimately I just gave up. They have their own sound that just didnt click. Funny someone mentioned Riverside. I really got into Georgius. His album Ego Georgius was exceptional. He is polish and so somehow that led me to riverside. Tried them- some decent songs, some boring repetitive songs. Hit/miss. Thanks for all the suggestions keep em coming.
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Australian band Anubis deserve much more love than they've been receiving (same applies to myself, btw - life can be unfair !)
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Originally posted by Ridgeback Ridgeback wrote:

As to the accurate comment about the bands I listened to have elements of Yes, Genesis et al. Undoubtedly that’s very true. I mean they are pioneers of the genre. It’s likely impossible to get away from them. That said having flashes of influence doesn’t bother me. I find that the bands I listed play with passion as opposed to playing with pure technical brilliance. I prefer a less complex song oozing with heartfelt emotion as opposed to a King Crimson technique of cold professionalism.

Somehow I don't feel that Neo-Prog is "oozing with heartfelt emotion"; I actually think most of it is very much without that "passion" you allegedly crave for. And that "King Crimson technique of cold professionalism" was a period of them with albums like "Discipline", "Three of a Perfect Pair" and "Beat". Their earlier albums were not at all like that.


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 ^ I also find Neo-Prog (and progmetal) to be the least emotional of the bunch.

Maybe they can be atmospheric. But 'oozing with emotion'. Not really. Most of those bands rely on studio-techniques, samplemachines, sequencers and clicktrack. Wich is not a bad thing per sé, but I can't name one single neoprog band (sans perhaps Twelfth Night) wich display heartfelt emotion.

It's more like dreamy extended pop with long solos to enhance the atmospheric gloomy pictures they try to paint.

(The perfect, sterile production doesn't help either)
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Originally posted by Howard the Duck Howard the Duck wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by Howard the Duck Howard the Duck wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by Howard the Duck Howard the Duck wrote:

echolyn's solid neo and one of the bands i'm most familiar with. that being said, they have a lot of hit or miss tracks for me, like many other artists

This is the first time I ever heard anyone describe echolyn as neo. They aren't even listed as neo on here. Echolyn's music is often very song oriented but other than that similarity I hear nothing in their music that would indicate they are part of that subgenre. I actually think Spock's Beard and the FLower Kings are closer to neo but they aren't in that category either.

meh I'm just going by the fact that they were formed in the 90s

They were formed in 1989 actually out of the ashes of a band called Narcissus but their first album was in 1991. Not to sound like a know it all but I've been a fan for a long time and even interviewed them once. 


Yeah I realized after that some of the demos on "A Little Nonsense" are from 89 - just meant their first official release was in the 90s.

Do you have a link to your interview? I'd be interested to read it!


I just noticed that even I said they were formed in the early 90's on there. Whoops. Lol. I did that interview in 2012. I actually did another interview with another Philly area band(the red masque)and was set to do a third one but the third band(who shall remain nameless)never got back to me even after agreeing to do the interview. 


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Originally posted by Dopeydoc Dopeydoc wrote:

Try those:
The Watch - Vacuum (Genesis flavor)
Seven Steps to the Green Door - Fetish
Mystery - Lies and Butterflies
Moonrise - StepOver life
Jadis - Across the Water
Iluvatar - Children
Galahad - Seas of Change
Eternal Wanderers - The Mystery of the Cosmic Sorrow
Edison's Children - The Fina Breath before November
Cosmograph - The Man left in Space
Arena - Contagion


Have you heard the new 4th Edison's Children album "The Disturbance Fields" with Neil Armstrong's son now fronting the band with Pete Trewavas (of Marillion & Transatlantic) & Eric? John Mitchell Produced and Lisa Wetton.

It has literally blown my mind. Rick is an incredible guitarist who was taught by Dave Foster from Steve Rothery's band. 

(P.S. Heard rumor that Glenn is coming back to Iluvatar. That would be great to see them get back with Glenn's beautiful vocals)

Great list you put together but don't know Seven Steps to the Green Door. 




Edited by The Shrubbery - August 06 2019 at 11:32
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I know they aren't newer bands but how about Eloy and Camel? Maybe Nektar too. I know you said you wanted newer bands and those definitely aren't but you might be surprised. You never know. 

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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

I know they aren't newer bands but how about Eloy and Camel? Maybe Nektar too. I know you said you wanted newer bands and those definitely aren't but you might be surprised. You never know. 

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Camel - 1973-1978 give it a go, especially debut, Mirage and Moonmadness
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Another possibility might be  Comedy of Errors.
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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Sure, here it is. http://echolyninterview.blogspot.com/2012/?m=0

don't know if you're a gamer or familiar with video game music at all, but the composer for the Persona series, Shoji Meguro, has a keyboard style that greatly reminds me of Chris Buzby!


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